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  • So frustrated with my D&D group... (long, ranty, geeky)

    I really just need to vent some steam right now.

    Here are the players:

    L - The DM for our current D&D campaign
    J - L's roommate
    T - Been with the group longer than anyone except my husband
    K - Not actively playing in the current D&D campaign but still in this story
    A - One of the players
    S - A's wife

    A bit of background on the group. My husband and T have been playing together for about the last 3 years or so. Since then they have had several other players come and go. Most of the current group is relatively new, and frankly, they're all falling apart.

    L is a great DM and used to be very reliable about showing up on time when we were going to play. However, he recently got a new job that he works a lot more hours at. It's still a M-F job but he works something like 50-55 hours a week so he's always tired on the weekends now.

    J always sleeps in, especially on the weekends, so even when we play in the afternoon, he's frequently late. Also, I'm not sure what his work schedule is, but I don't think he has set hours because one week he will be available Saturday afternoon and the next he won't.

    T is going to school so his schedule is set. Almost always available on weekends.

    K isn't playing in our current campaign, but I am planning on running a campaign soon that he wants to play in. He works with my husband and they both work 8-5 M-F jobs so their schedules are also very set and are always available on weekends.

    A and S, we like to call "baby geeks." They're younger than the rest of us (we're all in our mid-late 20s to early 30s, they are in their late teens) and they're pretty inexperienced when it comes to roleplaying. A works at a gas station, so his schedule is always sporadic. S doesn't work, but she also never comes to D&D unless A is there.

    Okay, I think that's all the background. Now the nitty gritty stuff.

    We haven't actually gotten a chance to play D&D for almost 2 months now. There's always something that's come up, most recently with our DM, L. He will tell us that he's available to play Saturday at noon, or whatever time we determine. We (my husband and I) get to the game store we play at, and no one else is there. So we wait...and wait...and wait...and finally call the house where L and J live. J will answer and not even know we were planning on playing, despite the fact that his email address is in the mailing list we use to send out the "hey, when are we playing this weekend" emails. Then he will tell us L is still asleep, so he'll wake him up and L will tell us he's on his way. Two hours and several games of Munchkin later, we still will not have heard from L. This has happened twice now. He will not call or communicate with us at all that he can't make it. I understand if he's tired or whatever from working all week, but he could have the common courtesy to let us know he won't show. No, he will let us sit in the game store for over 2 hours instead.

    A and S just piss me off, mostly because they suck as players. A always plays the same character. I don't care if he's playing a fighter, a rogue, or a sorcerer. He always plays the same character. "Huuurrr, me smash things with big object!" Yes, he could play a magic using class, and not actually use magic. Instead he will run up to things and hit them with the biggest weapon he can find. He is of the mindset to "hit first, ask questions later." Even in the campaign that I am running -- a Call of Cthulhu game, in which I specifically told all the players there would be very little fighting and a lot more roleplaying/puzzle solving -- he made a soldier who can't do anything but fire a gun.

    S, on the other hand, can't even do that much. She gets A to make her character for her. When we're playing and the DM asks her what she's going to do in a specific situation, she looks at A for instructions. She can't do ANYTHING on her own. And she thinks she's so CUTE when she does it, giggling and hiding her face like she's embarrassed to be seen roleplaying or something.

    Well, I'm done. As of right now, I'm voting L, A, and S off of my Cthulhu island. I'm pretty close to voting J off, too, but he's a good roleplayer and a fun guy, so I emailed him and asked him if there's a day of the week that he's usually available to play on. That's our (my husband's and my) main gripe right now -- half the group just can't seem to get it together to show up when we decide to play, and even the ones who do say they're going to show, don't! T, K, and my husband are committed to my Cthulhu campaign, and I could run it with just the three of them, and they're the most reliable at showing up to things when we do stuff together, so I've basically told them that it's going to be the four of us, and possibly J. I'm just so sick of people flaking out on us.

  • #2
    For 'L', maybe try to talk to him on a day off and see what's happening. Maybe there's something more going on in his life than just work and he needs a break. One of the regular GM's at our gaming club just got completely burned out a while ago... he'd been running games every weekend for around 7 years (sometime games would happen twice a week, too) and he was just out of ideas, the younger players didn't have any idea how to play, he had to change his job suddenly, etc. Now, he still comes to the club and he still runs the occasional game but he needs to have a clear vision of where it's going.

    As for 'A'... he needs to be put into situations that require brain rather than brawn, and if he fails, he dies. Simple as that. Having him spend time rolling up a new character, then having to erase it the same night might get the idea into his skull that 'killitdeadbang' isn't always the answer. (Hey, stranger things have happened, right?)

    As for 'S'... I got nothing. Seems like she's there because 'A' is there. Maybe try to get her into a game when 'A' isn't around and see if she sinks or swims.
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    • #3
      This is exactly why I loved RPGs when they came out for the PC ... I could log into eye of the beholder and kill and loot anything not nailed down without having to edpend on anybody else... and i fell in love with Everquest when it first came out ... as I could go forth and play D&D equivalent with live humans, and there was pretty much someone in one of my characters guilds on, or I could play with some of the other GMs on if I wasnt working as a GM ....


      EQ [or WoW] $22.00 [$45.00 for WOW I think, not sure what it costs now]
      monthly service $15.00 [though my GM job got me my play account for EQ free...]

      Never having to deal with jackasses not showing up and smelly game stores ever again, priceless..

      Speaking of WOW, I play aruvqan on US alexstrasca, alliance side [or however we spell the damned server name ... ] if anybody wants to try and hook up in game to kill stuff. I have a 64 DK.
      EVE Online: 99% of the time you sit around waiting for something to happen, but that 1% of action is what hooks people like crack, you don't get interviewed by the BBC for a WoW raid.

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      • #4
        Ooh, Call of Cthulhu... Ever try running that over the internet? Fun.
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        • #5
          Sadly, it seems to be the case that as you get older, more and more commitments get in the way of RPGing.

          We have a bi-weekly Sunday afternoon group. However, over the summer it all falls down. I work at the cinema, which gets busier over the summer holidays and staff go on holiday, which means more hours, less free days. But C works at a stately home, which is open 7 days a week over the summer. He works 25 hours a day, 8 days a week during August, so RPGing is out of the question.

          When RPGs fall down, we make the most of it and play a board or card game.
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          • #6
            As for S.. simple - try a game of Paranoia!

            I ended up being pariahed by my gaming group... around the time they were getting more and more into drugs, and I was going down a more and more down a more spiritual avenue. So, I haven't actually gamed in years, though the iea would be there.

            At least I can play LOTRO
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            • #7
              Quoth cinema guy View Post
              Sadly, it seems to be the case that as you get older, more and more commitments get in the way of RPGing.

              We have a bi-weekly Sunday afternoon group. However, over the summer it all falls down. I work at the cinema, which gets busier over the summer holidays and staff go on holiday, which means more hours, less free days. But C works at a stately home, which is open 7 days a week over the summer. He works 25 hours a day, 8 days a week during August, so RPGing is out of the question.

              When RPGs fall down, we make the most of it and play a board or card game.
              and if you all got WOW accounts, you could all log in to a chat program like ventrilo or teamspeak, log into your character and never have to mark up paper or roll dice ever again, and you can *see* everybodies character .... and see and hear the mosnters, and traps, and stuff .... and everybody can play because nobody has to be the gm. [or everquest, or runes of magic - RoM is free by the way.....] and if everybody bails out on that days gaming, you can still go out and run solo quests, or hang out in a city and dance naked on the bank steps and flirt with cute elves...
              EVE Online: 99% of the time you sit around waiting for something to happen, but that 1% of action is what hooks people like crack, you don't get interviewed by the BBC for a WoW raid.

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              • #8
                Thanks, but non of us are into online gaming. We prefer character-driven games, with less monster-hacking and more plot. Once September rolls around we'll be back in business.
                "I can tell her you're all tied up in the projection room." Sunset Boulevard.

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                • #9
                  Quoth cinema guy View Post
                  Thanks, but non of us are into online gaming. We prefer character-driven games, with less monster-hacking and more plot. Once September rolls around we'll be back in business.
                  Yeeeah. My husband and I occasionally play WoW...VERY casually. We prefer pen and paper RPGs where there's actually, you know, a story.

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                  • #10
                    if you wheren't in texas i would volunteer as your geekbaby seeing as i want to get into RPG/D&Ds cant and i would love to play a game more mind than brain.

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                    • #11
                      Quoth AccountingDrone View Post
                      and if you all got WOW accounts,
                      Ugh. MMOs in general are to D&D what a flipbook is to a Hollywood release. MMOs are to RPGs what rubbing alcohol is to cognac. There's no story, there's no role playing, there's no lasting effect on the game world, etc etc etc. MMOs are fun enough to play, BUT NOT AS A REPLACEMENT. Just... ugh.
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                      • #12
                        Quoth Broomjockey View Post
                        Ugh. MMOs in general are to D&D what a flipbook is to a Hollywood release. MMOs are to RPGs what rubbing alcohol is to cognac. There's no story, there's no role playing, there's no lasting effect on the game world, etc etc etc. MMOs are fun enough to play, BUT NOT AS A REPLACEMENT. Just... ugh.
                        From the original posting, it sounds like 'A' might be an online player who thinks that tabletop RPGs are the same as WoW.

                        I love the suggestion of playing Paranoia, but don't you get clones? Although, I guess you go through them quickly enough...



                        I've never played Paranoia, but making characters in Rolemaster is pretty harsh.
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                        • #13
                          Quoth MaggieTheCat View Post
                          Two hours and several games of Munchkin later...
                          Hi there! I'm an idiot. What's Munchkin?

                          Quoth Slytovhand View Post
                          As for S.. simple - try a game of Paranoia!
                          Hi there! I'm an idiot. What's Paranoia?

                          Quoth AccountingDrone View Post
                          if everybody bails out on that days gaming, you can still...hang out in a city and dance naked on the bank steps and flirt with cute elves...
                          Why do I get the feeling you speak from experience?

                          Quoth Sliceanddice View Post
                          i would love to play a game more mind than brain.
                          Question: just exactly how does one play a game that is more mind than brain?

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                          • #14
                            Quoth Jester View Post
                            Hi there! I'm an idiot. What's Munchkin?
                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munchkin_(card_game)
                            Quoth Jester View Post
                            Hi there! I'm an idiot. What's Paranoia?
                            you're only asking that to lull me into a false sense safety. But I'll stop you I still have my hat wearing kangaroos.
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                            • #15
                              My D&D group is meeting bi-weekly for the summer. I'm hoping that we'll go back to weekly when it starts getting cold (which up here in the coldest part of the US, that could be next week ).

                              We, too, had difficulty getting everybody to commit to a particular day and time. We've worked through it as much as we can, and if we're missing two or more players (out of 7), we play minis instead. We used to play with an even larger group, but that didn't work out. Not only is it difficult to get everybody together at the same time, it's difficult to fit everybody around the table, and make sure that everybody gets a chance to actually play. When it takes half an hour or longer to go around the table once, it gets frustrating.

                              Funny thing is, our current group is nearly all family. It's me, my hubby, his son, hubby's sister, her daughter, and her other daughter's boyfriend, and one of hubby's coworkers (who's quickly falling into the "friend" category). Our DM is another friend. It makes for some interesting scenarios, especially considering the younger players who have trouble differentiating between roleplaying and tabletalk (or fantasy and reality).
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