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  • No good deed goes unpunished.

    Many of you know we had another German shepherd in our house that we were "temporarily" homing while the owner found a suitable home for him. We had him over 9 months (at least - that's the earliest picture of him I can find).

    This is what we had to change because of him:

    - Since he and Zorro did not get along we had to keep them separated, meaning one in their crate and the other out. Most of the time it was Gallon who was out and Zorro was crated.

    - Gallon was an additional dog that had to be walked.

    - We could not travel. With 5 large dogs and two that didn't get along it would be impossible to transport all the dogs anywhere and just imagine a hotel room! So we weren't able to go to Orlando for a weekend like we do like to do every few months.

    When we got him he had gone from bad home to bad home to bad home and so on. He seriously looked like shit - skin issues, ear infection, severe separation anxiety issues, you name it.

    We asked the owner about it and he said he didn't know about the allergy issues but his thyroid was checked out by OFA (I think that's the people who do it) and it was OK.

    We took him to our vet and they said it could be caused by a lot of issues but the most common and least evasive is some sort of allergies - most likely food. So we switched his diet, two weeks later, no help. We switched it again, and no help. We went though 4 or 5 diet changes with no luck.

    We took him back to the vet since it wasn't helping. Next step - medicated back and an ear flush. We tried that for a month, it didn't help.

    We ended up taking him to an allergy expert and they think it was hypothyroid and to put him on soloxine to try that out (this was a month ago).

    We also had two failed breedings with Kiri (one round had 3 artificial inseminations, the other round had two ties and two artificial inseminations).

    Every step of the way we let the owner know what was going on and asked him if he had any suggestions. Not once did he offer any.

    We spent over $1000 on HIS dog (even though he promised he would co-own Gallon with my wife the paperwork was never changed so technically it was never our dog) that we didn't have and we did everything we could have done (and would have done with our own dogs). This is not including the very high end food (around $3-$4 a pound) we also bought to try).

    He took the dog to his own vet and they took skin grafts (which our vet would have done today - we had an appointment with them for another visit over the issue).

    He's mad at us because he feels we didn't do enough to help the issue. He's also upset because gallon was bleeding on his legs (ankles etc..). Mind you - I'm willing to bet due to the severe change in surroundings he probably chewed himself and we had blankets in his crate as well as him sleeping out of the crate at night on a carpet or on the bed - now he's in a crate with no blanket (hard) and it out on a concrete patio a lot - of course he's going to bleed (the owner claims we were too soft on him).

    He's also upset because now he can't ship out the dog like he planned to (it does take months for hypothyroid to go away or get under control as well as the symptoms (skin, ear, etc..) will stick around for months afterwords.

    I'm not sure what else he expected us to do, he was sick when we got him plus he wasn't eating and was scrawny as hell (at least he's at a good weight now). The sad part is that the owner has been a good friend of ours as well as an excellent mentor for my wife with the German shepherd breed. Now, I don't think he'll want to associate with her anymore.
    Quote Dalesys:
    ... as in "Ifn thet dawg comes at me, Ima gonna shutz ma panz!"

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    I dont understand what the owners issue is. Id present him with a bill of all charges incurred for HIS dog and its issues. Youre not a vet or a miracle worker but you did what you would and you went out of your way. Hes obviously ungrateful, friend or not. (imo)

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    • #3
      Quoth Amina516 View Post
      I dont understand what the owners issue is. Id present him with a bill of all charges incurred for HIS dog and its issues. Youre not a vet or a miracle worker but you did what you would and you went out of your way. Hes obviously ungrateful, friend or not. (imo)
      He feels that we should be greatful for having him at no charge and using him as a stud.

      He also dragged me into it now - stating that "I should have done more to help out if I have time to sit and play games on Facebook all day".

      Um, does he realize I have a full time job **AND** everything I need to do around the house because my wife can't??
      Quote Dalesys:
      ... as in "Ifn thet dawg comes at me, Ima gonna shutz ma panz!"

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      • #4
        Quoth Amina516 View Post
        I dont understand what the owners issue is. Id present him with a bill of all charges incurred for HIS dog and its issues. Youre not a vet or a miracle worker but you did what you would and you went out of your way. Hes obviously ungrateful, friend or not. (imo)
        I agree. It sounds to me that at this point any good relationship you had with this person is gone. Time to make copies of all the bills this dog has cost you, give them to this guy and get your money paid back. If the dog is NOT in your name and you were taking care of it as a favor, he should pay you back. I hate throwing the law into it, but you have every right to take him to court about this. It sounds like it was a LOT of money to dump into someone dog, who doesn't even appreciate the time and effort you put into it. Also, it sounds like this guy really doesn't take care of his dog to begin with. Poor puppy.
        "I'm not smiling because I'm happy. I'm smiling because every time I blink your head explodes!"
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        • #5
          I told my wife we should take him to court to get our expenses covered but she doesn't want to.

          Quoth Red_Dazes View Post
          Also, it sounds like this guy really doesn't take care of his dog to begin with. Poor puppy.
          In his defense, he hadn't had the dog for more than a night or two in a few years. He was with a trainer who just kept him in a kennel outside all the time, then with an owner who treated him like crap and abandoned him with another trainer in North Carolina, then with a family who got a divorce and couldn't keep him and then to us.

          He already had the issues when we got him but the owner doesn't believe us.

          Edit: I guess from now on if people ask us about his dogs and hi as a breeder we'll have to tell them that if anything goes wrong with the dog he'll blame them no matter what.
          Last edited by draggar; 12-31-2009, 08:12 PM.
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          • #6
            Quoth draggar View Post

            In his defense, he hadn't had the dog for more than a night or two in a few years. He was with a trainer who just kept him in a kennel outside all the time, then with an owner who treated him like crap and abandoned him with another trainer in North Carolina, then with a family who got a divorce and couldn't keep him and then to us.

            .
            Well still really sad for the dog, but at least it wasn't all the guys fault. Still shouldn't be blaming you for it though.
            "I'm not smiling because I'm happy. I'm smiling because every time I blink your head explodes!"
            -Red

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            • #7
              Wow, what an ass! I would definitely send him the bills. Maybe if he sees exactly how much you spent, he might feel bad and pay up.

              I am too optimistic, probably, but it can't hurt.

              I feel bad for the dog, being treated like that.

              But how can the guy claim you got the dog's stud service when it didn't work? You wouldn't pay stud fees if your dog didn't get pregnant, right? (at least in the horse world there is usually a live foal guarantee).
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              • #8
                I had a bit of a car ride with my wife last night to her friend's house and we had a chat about this.

                It turns out he's still using the trainer who had him first. This "trainer" completely f-ed up the dog training wise. When he first started to train Gallon he just put an electric collar on him.

                While an electric collar can be an invaluable tool in dog training, you NEVER go to that first. You always need something "above" what you're currently using. (flat buckle, choke (we aren't crazy about these), pinch, etc..). If you start a dog off on an electric collar and just zap the hell out if it - no other method will work as well, thus making it that much harder to train the dog.

                He also complained that we had Gallon "too soft" by putting blankets in his crate and letting him sleep on the bed (when he wanted to). Um, he was a f-ing pet. How else were we supposed to treat him? Lock him out on the patio all night?

                My wife also told me he "breeds to what wins in the ring" - not to standard meaning he is on the front line of the destruction of the German shepherd breed (and contributing to destroying to the breed by producing high profile / well known line dogs).

                My wife still has her expert that she's worked with for close to 20 years so even though this person was a great mentor, he isn't critical.

                My only concern is that I run the website for a GSD expert who is good friends with this person and I met this expert though this person. Luckily the expert is strong minded enough that he can make his own decisions but I'm afraid that he can be easily influenced by his friend.

                I don't want to be the initiator and make it look like I am trying to split up the expert and this person (I don't play those games, friends against friends).

                Now they have Gallon on another medication. This is a bad one - it is notorious for severing tendons. Our vet did recommend it but after my wife spoke to this person about it they agreed to a lower end (and far more safer) medication that was doing the job.

                He claims we should have put him on that from the start. Sure, let's not try any of the common reasons for his issues and just put him on this medication that can easily destroy his working ability!

                Quoth AnaKhouri View Post
                But how can the guy claim you got the dog's stud service when it didn't work? You wouldn't pay stud fees if your dog didn't get pregnant, right? (at least in the horse world there is usually a live foal guarantee).
                Since we gave him a home we were allowed to use him as a stud for free.

                But normally a stud fee is that - a stud fee, the owner of the female pays that even if the breeding doesn't take (sometimes if the owner of the stud is nice they'll offer a free breeding the next time).

                If you think that's bad, one of the people who adopted one of our puppies last year put down a $2000 non-refundable deposit for a dog near them (not us). The breeding didn't take (or so says the breeder) and they couldn't get their deposit back (I can see not getting it back if the person who wanted to adopt the puppy backed out but this is all on the breeder's end).
                Quote Dalesys:
                ... as in "Ifn thet dawg comes at me, Ima gonna shutz ma panz!"

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                • #9
                  I hate reading your posts. They make me sad.

                  Honey, If I was your wife, I wouldn't want to associate with that guy anymore.
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                  • #10
                    Quoth Evil Queen View Post
                    I hate reading your posts. They make me sad.

                    Honey, If I was your wife, I wouldn't want to associate with that guy anymore.
                    I don't think we are and if you want happy posts - just go back to my puppy posts.
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                    ... as in "Ifn thet dawg comes at me, Ima gonna shutz ma panz!"

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                    • #11
                      Well, it's not the happy posts I desire so much as the urge to kill every time you mention something that some horrible person has done to their pet.

                      Oh, did I mention I have a rescue dog? Her name is Carmen and we're clueless as to what her breed is. But she's very sweet and adorable.
                      Ridiculous 2009 Predictions: Evil Queen will beat Martha Stewart to death with a muffin pan. All hail Evil Queen! (Some things don't need elaboration.....) -- Jester

                      Ridiculous 2010 Predictions: Evil Queen, after escaping prison for last years prediction, goes out and waffle irons Rachel Ray to death. -- SG15Z

                      Ridiculous 2011 Prediction: Evil Queen will beat Gordon Ramsay over the head with a cast-iron skillet. -- FireHeart

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                      • #12
                        Post a pic - most likely she's a mixed breed.
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                        ... as in "Ifn thet dawg comes at me, Ima gonna shutz ma panz!"

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                        • #13
                          If I could find my digital camera, I would. I have lost it a good month or two ago (ironically, after I took pictures of her). I think she's a pit mix of some sort but she's awefully small (33 lbs last weighed at the vet about two weeks ago).
                          Ridiculous 2009 Predictions: Evil Queen will beat Martha Stewart to death with a muffin pan. All hail Evil Queen! (Some things don't need elaboration.....) -- Jester

                          Ridiculous 2010 Predictions: Evil Queen, after escaping prison for last years prediction, goes out and waffle irons Rachel Ray to death. -- SG15Z

                          Ridiculous 2011 Prediction: Evil Queen will beat Gordon Ramsay over the head with a cast-iron skillet. -- FireHeart

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                          • #14
                            Look at picture of different breeds. Typically with mixed breeds the breed they look like the most is the breed they'll act like the most.
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                            • #15
                              Quoth draggar View Post
                              Look at picture of different breeds. Typically with mixed breeds the breed they look like the most is the breed they'll act like the most.
                              That's the hard part, her mannerisms, I mean. She's very timid and skiddish still. Her previous owner neglected her so she's afraid of loud noises, men, sudden movements. She hasn't barked yet, but she has cried and whimpered.

                              Here, I found a picture I didn't send to my family (It's not great but it's something). I scanned it and loaded it up. What do you think?

                              Her history is kinda weird. She came with the house that some friends of mine purchased. My friends asked me to keep her for a little bit, then decided they weren't ready for a dog yet (at which point they go out and buy a puppy) and gave her to me. Their vet said she's a German Shepard mix. I think she's a chowchow mix (black marked tongue) but I'm starting to think she's a pit mix. She's not very strong, is light weight (like I said, 33 lbs) and is between a year and a half and 3 years old.
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