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    This one's going to be a bit lengthy, but I'm hoping someone here can offer some sort of insight...because I've got nothing.

    I had a friend, let's call him Jim, who I haven't seen since the fall of 1995. And I can't verify some of the below stories/events, so I don't know how much of it is actually true, but here we go.

    For the sake of the rest of the story, remember that Jim considers ME his "best friend". Someone he hasn't seen in nearly 30 years, and someone he hasn't talked to in nearly a decade or so.

    Jim and I went to High School together, and we were in the same Tae Kwon Do class for a bit. We also went to one semester at a nearby college. In 1995.

    We never had a falling out or anything, we just sort of lost contact with each other. It happens.

    Well, a decade or so ago (I don't recall the exact timing), my sister tells me he wants me to get in contact with him, and gives me his number. Many of you may remember this, because this is the time he tells me he has cancer, and wants to hang out and for us to jam (we both play guitar). I don't recall the exact circumstances, but we didn't actually end up meeting, for whatever reason.

    And that was the last I heard from him.

    Until just a few days ago.

    And here's where things get convoluted and messy. Remember, he's telling me all of this, so I don't know for sure how much I can verify, how much is embellished, etc. which makes the timeline a bit fuzzy.

    Apparently, back in 2016, he was told by his wife that they were going to take a week-long trip to New York to see her parents. Well, they get there, and after a week, she says, "Oops...we don't have money to get home! Guess we're stuck here!" (paraphased, of course). Which he seems to think was her plan all along.

    So apparently, at some point in the timeline, when he still lived in this state, between 1995 and when he contacted me a decade or so ago, a few things happened.

    He started working for a police department in the nearby Metropolitan city.

    Apparently, during his time with this police department, he was in an altercation where he was beaten pretty badly. At least that's how I understand it. Could have been multiple perps, or over a longer period of time. He told me he needed multiple surgeries for this, and now requires assistance to walk.

    The timeline is a little fuzzy, but he also told me that while he was on the police force, a few times he seriously considered taking his own life, so he has some emotional and mental health needs that a professional can provide that I simply cannot.

    So, that means Jim has a cancer diagnosis, multiple surgeries resulting in needing assistance to walk, and mental health issues.

    Well, he managed to make his way back here to Texas. I don't know how he got in touch with my mother, but he's apparently staying with my her and her husband about 2.5 hours away from where I live. Seems my mother gave him my number.

    She's apparently also trying to help him get on disability.

    So our first conversation in years was mostly reminiscing, and him telling me some of the above stuff. It's also him telling me he's still upset with me and jealous of me (yes, he said something similar in our FIRST conversation in nearly 30 years) because I went to a specific concert in 1993 by one of our favorite singers that he didn't get to go to. Before pretty much anything else was brought up.

    But then, I get a feeling. A feeling he's going to call me every day. And that's a bit much for me. But outright telling him "Don't call me every day" seems kind of rude. So I don't say anything.

    So, I talk to him on the second day (two consecutive days) also. We start talking again about music (we were both 90's country music fans) and some other stuff. But then he starts talking about how "broken" he is (see diagnosis and surgeries above) and starts telling me these really dark stories about things he saw on the police force.

    CAUTION!! The following story is GRAPHIC! If you don't want to read it, skip down to "STORY OVER" below.

    He told me a story about while he was on the police force where he found someone in their early 20's who had committed suicide by hanging. Unfortunately, he found the body, still hanging, 3 days later. He said it really messed him up having to cut down the body and take it to wherever he had to take it, and how it made him vomit, etc.

    STORY OVER

    This is also when he told me the story about how, a few times, he'd sit on his bed still in uniform, and contemplate suicide.

    During the course of this conversation, he also told me the story of when his mother died. Apparently, his sister told him "too late", and when he got to the hospital, she was on machines. He had power of attorney, I think, and her wishes were to have the plug pulled. So he did it. Then asked the doctor if he could lay next to her while she died. He said he did, and sang to her until she died.

    So he sounds like he's sobbing while he's telling me these stories, and it's already past time when I would have gone to bed. Overall it was a two hour conversation.

    Anyway, last night he calls again while I'm watching TV with my wife. It's around 8:20PM when he calls, and we'd texted a few times before that throughout the day, but mostly about nonsense stuff. So I decide to ignore the call. Let it roll to voicemail.

    I go to bed at 9 PM.

    I wake up this morning, and see a text from him from 9:03 PM the previous night. Three minutes after I'd gone to bed (I charge my phone in a different room).

    Anyway, the text is just "Please call me".

    So I sent him a brief message this morning apologizing for missing his text, and informing him that I had already gone to bed at 9PM the previous night.

    Then he texts me back an odd, and a little bit disturbing, text about life being over when nobody needs you. Then a much, much longer text somewhat quoting Forrest Gump (Life is like a box of chocolates), but then ends it with saying all you have left is a box full of empty wrappers.

    So he has some emotional and mental needs that I clearly cannot help him with.

    The problem is, the calls daily are a little much. I mean, I'm usually good talking (or, in a lot of cases texting or emailing) with friends a couple of times a week. Now, if we weren't in the COVID era, and I were hanging out with them, it might be different.

    I have a feeling he's going to call again today. But how do you tell someone with this number of issues (again, if all this is true) that calling you every day is a bit much, and how about maybe once or twice a week? Especially when they're staying at your mother's house?

    I seriously thought of telling him to text that 988 number (Substance Abuse And Mental Health Services Administration). I don't know if I should. He might take offense.

    I'm not necessarily comfortable with "ghosting" him, either. But I don't really want to talk to him every day. Remember, he views me as his "best friend".

    My wife suggested that I call the National Mental Health Hotline myself, and explain everything to them, and see what they say.

    Anybody got anything?
    Last edited by mjr; 03-03-2023, 02:40 PM.
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  • #2
    Do you know his sister at all-are you able to get in touch with her-maybe you might be able to get a more coherent or objective storyline as to what has happened to Jim? Is there anything specific that caused him to come back to Texas and search you out and why he ended up at your mum's?
    Perhaps it's a question of reassuring him that you'll still be there for him and can check in two or three times a week how he's doing,but trying to get him into the place where if he needs assistance,the first place to turn is your mum and her hubby, and then use you just as a last resort if it is an emergency.
    Whereabouts in TX is he? I can have a root around contacts to see if they're anyone who can help-quite a lot of them are involved with police/EMT/ambulance/fire etc. and have links with emergency services mental health specialists who might be able to help
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    • #3
      Quoth Kit-Ginevra View Post
      Do you know his sister at all-are you able to get in touch with her-maybe you might be able to get a more coherent or objective storyline as to what has happened to Jim? Is there anything specific that caused him to come back to Texas and search you out and why he ended up at your mum's?
      Perhaps it's a question of reassuring him that you'll still be there for him and can check in two or three times a week how he's doing,but trying to get him into the place where if he needs assistance,the first place to turn is your mum and her hubby, and then use you just as a last resort if it is an emergency.
      Whereabouts in TX is he? I can have a root around contacts to see if they're anyone who can help-quite a lot of them are involved with police/EMT/ambulance/fire etc. and have links with emergency services mental health specialists who might be able to help
      To be perfectly honest, I didn't even know he had any siblings, so I wouldn't even know how to get in touch with his sister.

      My understanding is that he never intended to leave Texas. To the best of my knowledge, he and his wife at the time were supposed to go to NY for a week to "visit her parents", and he basically got stuck there for 8 years because of her. As far as I know, he just wanted to come back and live in Texas.

      I'm also not really sure how he ended up at my mom's house. I'm a bit reluctant to ask. But I'm assuming he knew someone who knew her, or maybe through social media. I have no idea.
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      • #4
        Oh my, do you have your hands full. Everything could be true, or he could be a con/moocher. Either way, tread carefully. I have dealt with people who were screwed up in the head. The perpetual pity party and making no effort to get themselves out of it. "Life has been awful to me and there is nothing I can do to fix it." They make every effort to drag you down with them.

        Two things that you need to do:
        1. NEVER GIVE HIM MONEY. Even if you can afford to give the money away, don't. It opens an expectation. Also, if there is any chance that he is an addict, don't give him anything he can sell.
        2. Set boundaries. You can not allow him to monopolize your time. Tell him that he can call you for X time, on Y days, and you can hang out on Z, Explain that to him that:
        • You have a family and job that take first priority on your time.
        • You are not trained to be able to help him.
        • You are not mentally or physically capable of helping him.
        • He needs to get professional help.
        • If he doesn't abide by the boundaries, he will lose his access to you. I tell my friends "You can call me at 2:00 AM. I'll come running. Just be warned, it better be worth it and prepare for the consequences."
        It is a tough thing to do, but you need to protect yourself, and by extension, your family.

        You should also speak with your Mom and find out the details of what is going on. Make sure that see is not being taken advantage of,

        Good luck.
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        • #5
          So I talked to my mother about this a little bit over the weekend. We still don't know the relationship between Jim and his sister. My mother thinks it best if I try to figure that out, because as I initially noted, Jim believes me to be his "best friend". And she thinks he might open up to me more. Mom speculates that they might have a strained relationship, or no relationship at all. Or Jim's sister just can't take him in.

          She said, also, that he found her on Facebook. The reason he didn't find me on Facebook is that I'm not on Facebook.

          Anyway, mom says she's going to make Jim start looking for a job on Monday (6th March), and also have him make the phone calls he needs to make to get things rolling on collecting disability as well. Mom has a job where she essentially does in-home care, so she basically works at someone's house for 48 hours straight (sleep counts, so it's not like she's up for 48 straight hours), so she's off most weekdays.

          And according to my mother, Jim's been off of whatever medication he's been taking for 6 months or so. It would probably be helpful if he went back on it, but right now he has no money, and I don't know how he'd get back on them. He apparently has PTSD, and I think was taking medication for that.

          Mom also says he's constantly asking for money for cigarettes (because he has none), and caused some tension the other day between mom and her husband, and she had to step in and calm things down.
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          • #6
            I'm going to second everything that csquared said.

            Some additional thoughts: It sounds like Jim is trying to guilt you into keeping in contact with him. He seems to be suggesting if you don't answer his calls, he might harm himself. I want to emphasize: Jim's mental health and wellbeing is NOT your responsibility. I think you already know that, but I feel like it's important to state it explicitly.

            I think it would be a good idea to suggest Jim get professional help. You could possibly suggest the national hotline as a starting point. Be as gentle or as blunt as you like. The main reason I can think of not to be blunt is to not making things difficult for your mom. Jim might consider you his best friend, but it sounds more like you're his only friend and he isn't interested in making more.
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            • #7
              If Jim needs his medication and cannot afford it, would you be prepared to pay for that even if it's it 'I will not give you money. I will pay the doctor/pharmacist or whoever so you can get this medication'. I'm just concerned that you say your mum will be getting Jim to look for a job. From what we've heard and especially without his medication, is Jim in any state where he is capable of getting and holding down a job? It may be blunt,but is someone with mental health issues and who has had multiple surgeries where he needs assistance to walk likely to be a dazzling prospect for an employer?
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              • #8
                Quoth Kit-Ginevra View Post
                If Jim needs his medication and cannot afford it, would you be prepared to pay for that even if it's it 'I will not give you money. I will pay the doctor/pharmacist or whoever so you can get this medication'. I'm just concerned that you say your mum will be getting Jim to look for a job. From what we've heard and especially without his medication, is Jim in any state where he is capable of getting and holding down a job? It may be blunt,but is someone with mental health issues and who has had multiple surgeries where he needs assistance to walk likely to be a dazzling prospect for an employer?
                My concern with paying for his medication (or even offering to) is that it I don't want it setting a precedent. Boundaries, and whatnot. It took me a LONG time after I got married to wean my family off of asking me for money, even when I was making a lot less than I am now. I don't want to set a new precedent. I would think that if he were on disability, though, that even if he's working he could get reduced rate (or possibly government-funded) meds through government programs. I know he probably wouldn't like that, but that might have to be how it is.

                As far as a job, I think there are a few things he can do, but I don't know specifically what, or how much of it. All I know is that my mother (and/or my mother's husband) isn't going to let him stay there ad-infinitum. He's going to have to get some kind of income and find a place to stay at some point.
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                • #9
                  So, it happened...

                  He hit me up for money. Says he needs $35 for his pre-paid phone. "Just this once". I know he's unemployed and going through a lot of stuff. I don't want to create a reliance.

                  I don't know what to do. I'd have to send it electronically, which I really don't want to do.
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                  • #10
                    Is there any realistic chance of Jim being able to pay you back? Even if he's unemployed, he should be able to find $5 a week surely?
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                    • #11
                      Friends like that you don't need. Tell him you're sorry, but no.
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                      • #12
                        Quoth Kit-Ginevra View Post
                        Is there any realistic chance of Jim being able to pay you back? Even if he's unemployed, he should be able to find $5 a week surely?
                        Well, right now he's staying with my mom and her husband. Apparently that's caused some friction as it is. My mom is actually the one who told him he should "ask his friends" for the money. So I guess I'm the first one he thought of.

                        Anyway, to answer your question, I don't know if he'd be able to pay me back anytime soon, if at all. My mom is supposed to help him get some disability benefits because of his physical and medical conditions. She's also going to try to help him get a job.

                        I'm also thinking my wife wouldn't be too happy about it.

                        I mean, I've been fortunate enough to be in a position that I could give him the money, but that's not the point.

                        When I was younger, I grew up in an environment where everybody on one side of the family (mom's side) was "borrowing" money from everyone else. $10 here, $20 there, etc.

                        And of course, when I started working, I got caught up in that web. It took me much longer than it should have to get out of it. There was a time when I was making significantly less than I am now, where my mother called me up asking me for money to "help" her with a divorce. I didn't give it to her, but I did find out (through my sister, if I'm not mistaken) that my mom was asking me for this money to buy my sister's friend a car. And the initial ask was basically "do you have, or can you get..." something like that.

                        I think Jim is getting WAY more from this friendship than I am. I think he believes that we're MUCH, MUCH closer than we are. I mean, I figured it was one of those where we'd both kind of naturally moved on, since we hadn't seen each other in years, and you occasionally get the thought "Whatever happened to..."

                        But apparently, Jim has kind of "picked up where we left off" so to speak. And with all the stuff he tells me he's been through (which I can somewhat confirm through my mother), I don't have the heart right now to tell him he's way more into this friendship than I am.

                        And yet again, he brings up that he's still jealous of me "but doesn't know why", that I got to go to a concert he didn't get to go to -- in 1993.

                        I talked to him while I was driving yesterday, and tried at least three times to get off the phone with him. The time after that I was like, "Look, I really have to go."

                        "Ghosting" him (as the younger ones today would say) seems rude. But I just don't want him calling every time he wants/needs something. I mean, the last time we talked a few weeks ago, he told me that story above about when he was on the police force, so he's clearly got some things going on mentally. And he lectured me on some stuff, which I really didn't appreciate, but let slide at the time because he didn't seem in a very good mental state.

                        Am I greedy for not wanting to do this?
                        Last edited by mjr; 04-01-2023, 10:11 AM.
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                        • #13
                          You are not greedy. Jim is a parasite, and will suck you dry. Your mom sounds like an enabler for the world.
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                          • #14
                            Quoth Ironclad Alibi View Post
                            You are not greedy. Jim is a parasite, and will suck you dry. Your mom sounds like an enabler for the world.
                            I just hate being put in this situation. You know what I mean? I don't want Jim to harm himself, but I don't want any of the friction, either. As I said previously, ignoring him seems wrong, but I don't really want to tell him, "No, I'm not doing this."
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                            • #15
                              Quoth mjr View Post

                              I just hate being put in this situation. You know what I mean? I don't want Jim to harm himself, but I don't want any of the friction, either. As I said previously, ignoring him seems wrong, but I don't really want to tell him, "No, I'm not doing this."
                              As others have said, based on what you wrote here, Jim is a parasite. If you do "loan" him money, you will never get it back, and he will keep asking you for more and more, till you're drained. You have to set up boundaries in this situation to protect you and your family.

                              The word no is a complete sentence. You have to use it with him. Giving him money is like giving an addict a bag of cocaine, you're not helping him in the long run at all.
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