Suggestions for carb alternatives?

[Jester]

Okay, so as part of my attempt to counter my midsection's continued expanding of its horizons, I am going to take some advice proffered to me and try a bit of Atkins.

Towards that, I am going to cut out bagels for a while (I'm Jewish...that's not easy), but I need some ideas for some other parts of my diet.

Specifically, I love me some ham and swiss on rye bread. LOVE it. Are there other ways to do this, or should I just leave rye bread as one carb-heavy item in my diet that I don't eliminate?

Also, I have been eating hummus with pitas. Suggestions on what to dip in the hummus instead? Veggies perhaps?

The rest of the carb-heavy items in my diet are more easily eliminated, so suggestions on the above two would be great.

[jnd4rusty]

Atkins is a good diet, if you can stick to it. I was on it for 8 months and lost 80 pounds, so I know it works. You can eat your ham and swiss without the bread, I like to roll it up and dip in mustard. Eat lots of protein and limit your carb intake to veggies (no corn, potatoes or high carb veggies) and berries. Most fruit have a lot of carbs but berries are relatively low. Use some whipping cream, a splash of vanilla and some Splenda and you have a very low carb whipped cream that tastes awesome with berries and sugar free jello. Eggs, any hard cheese, salad veggies, mayo, and ranch dressing are your friends. Pickles and olives are good too. You can make all kinds of things that are low carb and tastes great. You should write down what you eat now as far as carbs are concerned and maybe just cut them in half to start. You are very active so lowering your carbs by half should help you lose some weight. (I am not a doctor..lol but I have read most stuff pertaining to the Atkins and low carb diets) You can also check out low carb recipes on the internet, I sometimes check that out to get ideas. Good Luck!!

[Amusement Gal]

I know it's probably terrible (in calories) for you, but I've found that a thin ham slice with some cream cheese on it, wrapped around a pickle spear, is fscking delicious. If all else fails you can easily use the fat-free stuff as well. Also, if making lasagna, using zucchini gives the same exact texture of a cooked noodle. Like so. Tasted it myself and it's awesome.

Veggies are pretty good with hummus. And if you can stomach them, I'm sure veggie chips would be alright with it too. If you roasted the vegetables until they were crispy LIKE chips, them I'm sure it would replace a typical chips/dip combo.

Aside from that, I'm not really qualified to even think about diets, because I've never been on one.

[AccountingDrone]

try putting your ham and swiss on rye wasa crispbread, the carb count is made a bit more in line by the fiber in the crispbread.

Induction is the only time when you restrict carbs to 20 grams per day, 2 weeks. After that you can move up the amount of carbs slowly [by 5 grams per day] until you stop losing weight, then you step it back 5 or 10 grams until you start losing weight again. Keep up this level until you are basically at your desired weight, then you can add back the final little bit of carbs to balance it out into maintenance level.

I have generally always done the diabetic thing since I was diagnosed in 1980, and I find that if I do the 2 half cup portions of lower glycemic veggies and 1 portion protein [can be meat, eggs, tofu] 6 small meals per day [and one of those meals is always hummus and raw veggies, my right before bed nosh]

You can make quite a nice meal out of the 2 veg and protein format, I normally avoid fruit, but you can make it one veg and one fruit and one protein =)

But in all of this, remember one thing - PORTION CONTROL IS YOUR FRIEND.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Garcia's makes a very nice collection of low carb tortilla chips. Also, veggies is a nice option. We love brie or caviar on low carb toast chips (we toast up low carb bread and cut it into small squares).

I don't know of any rye bread available in a low carb version, but you might look around your local health food stores. I would submit to you that after you are done with induction, a couple slices of rye is not going to kill you.

It's not the bread that's killing everyone. It's the bread and the fries and the soda and the sugar in the coffee and the mashed potatoes and the beer and the soda again and the milk shake and the pasta.

Hummus itself is not exactly carb friendly.

Also, don't do low fat while you are doing low carb. But you know that.

[Whiskey]

Okay, so as part of my attempt to counter my midsection's continued expanding of its horizons, I am going to take some advice proffered to me and try a bit of Atkins.

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Specifically, I love me some ham and swiss on rye bread. LOVE it. Are there other ways to do this, or should I just leave rye bread as one carb-heavy item in my diet that I don't eliminate?

If you can get bread in a deli, have them thin slice it so you're eating the equivalent of one slice as two. Look for low carb wraps, theres also carb-friendly breads out there that arent rye, but there might be a rye variety. I wrap everything in lettuce.

Also, I have been eating hummus with pitas. Suggestions on what to dip in the hummus instead? Veggies perhaps?

I use eggplant spears. Watch how much hummus you eat, it'll jack up your fat content faster than you think it will.

If you like pancakes and the like, check out carbquik. Its a carb friendly bisquick knockoff. You can find it in stores on rare occasion, but Id just order it online.

Are you going actual atkins or just low carb?

quick google edit: if you can make your own bread/have a bread machine, apparently low carb rye is possible to make yourself http://forum.lowcarber.org/archive/i...p/t-38076.html

[Andara Bledin]

Okay, so as part of my attempt to counter my midsection's continued expanding of its horizons, I am going to take some advice proffered to me and try a bit of Atkins.

Don't forget to check with your doctor on this as with any other major dietary change.

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[teh_blumchenkinder]

Also, remember that carbohydrates are something human bodies need-- so eventually you'll have to 'go back to a normal diet'-- that is, Atkins' and any other 'lose weight' diet is only temporary. You'll need to figure out a happy medium where your body gets what it needs, has stuff left for running around and exercise/moving heavy stuff, and you won't be overly much. I find that those thoughts help with the loss of my favorite sugary items, saying "I can have it eventually-- just not in the next two weeks."-- or however long I've decided to reward myself with something.
Also, alcohol has crazy nutritional numbers, so check out beer too. Ancient cultures such as Pharonic Egypt served beer as a bread substitute/ meal item.

[Whiskey]

Also, remember that carbohydrates are something human bodies need--

You eat carbs on Atkins from day 1, you just limit them. Carbs burn less efficiently than protein and good fat. Atkins is way, way low carb. I started lower than I am now but I stick around 40/40/20 protein/fat/carbs. The diet gives you everything you need, you don't hurt for anything (unless you have some unhealthy love for pasta, then it would suck).

Also, alcohol has crazy nutritional numbers, so check out beer too. Ancient cultures such as Pharonic Egypt served beer as a bread substitute/ meal item.

Beer in moderation is actually a pretty decent PWO with food

[TheMike]

wait.. Jewish + ham + cheese = very bad... not a good claim for loving Bagels.. I'm dutch and I love Bagels. and yes i know some of the Kosher laws.

[Jester]

You can eat your ham and swiss without the bread, I like to roll it up and dip in mustard.

I thought of that, but ya know, ham and cheese on rye without the rye just isn't the same. That will be tough......

Most fruit have a lot of carbs but berries are relatively low.

But I LIKE fruit. And it's HEALTHY, damnit!

Use some whipping cream, a splash of vanilla and some Splenda and you have a very low carb whipped cream that tastes awesome with berries and sugar free jello.

I don't use Splenda. Or Sweet & Low, or Equal, or even sugar itself. Usually I eat fruit raw or with yogurt. And frankly, if I was going to use a sweetener, it would be nature's sweetener, sugar. Don't believe me? Ask the lab rats.

Eggs, any hard cheese, salad veggies, mayo, and ranch dressing are your friends. Pickles and olives are good too.

I like most of the above, especially pickles (I am Jewish) and salad veggies.. Ranch dressing is overrated, if you ask me, and olives are repulsive. Yuck.

Veggies are pretty good with hummus. And if you can stomach them, I'm sure veggie chips would be alright with it too. If you roasted the vegetables until they were crispy LIKE chips, them I'm sure it would replace a typical chips/dip combo.

I'm perfectly fine with raw veggies. I LIKE them.

Garcia's makes a very nice collection of low carb tortilla chips. Also, veggies is a nice option. We love brie or caviar on low carb toast chips (we toast up low carb bread and cut it into small squares).

As I said, I love veggies. And since we have no Garcia's anywhere near here, veggies it is.

I don't know of any rye bread available in a low carb version, but you might look around your local health food stores. I would submit to you that after you are done with induction, a couple slices of rye is not going to kill you.

If I eliminate rye bread from my diet (and there is NO such thing as low carb rye, and if there is, I wouldn't eat it, hell no), it would only be until I took care of the weight I am trying to take off, the fat, and then I would no longer need to eliminate carbs, as I would then be building up muscle.

It's not the bread that's killing everyone. It's the bread and the fries and the soda and the sugar in the coffee and the mashed potatoes and the beer and the soda again and the milk shake and the pasta.

I'm not big on fries, I rarely do milkshakes, I don't add sugar to anything (don't even drink coffee or tea anyway), and I've pretty much eliminated soda from my diet. I DO love mashed potatoes, pasta, and beer, but I can do without mashed potatoes and past for a while. (Don't even suggest the beer. Don't. Even. Suggest. It.)

Hummus itself is not exactly carb friendly.

But it's good for protein, and tasty. Hmmmm....decisions, decisions. Especially tough since I recently discovered an amazing lemon hummus I love.

Also, don't do low fat while you are doing low carb. But you know that.

Actually, I didn't know that. Don't really know why you say that, actually. Did I mention I am clueless about these things?

Look for low carb wraps, theres also carb-friendly breads out there that arent rye, but there might be a rye variety.

There is NO substitute for real rye bread. NONE.

If you like pancakes and the like, check out carbquik. Its a carb friendly bisquick knockoff.

I only ever have pancakes in restaurants, and that is a rare occasional thing, so no worries there.

Are you going actual atkins or just low carb?

Just gonna cut down my carbs a bit more, see if that helps.

quick google edit: if you can make your own bread/have a bread machine, apparently low carb rye is possible to make yourself http://forum.lowcarber.org/archive/i...p/t-38076.html

1. There is NO substitute for real rye bread.
2. I don't bake. I COOK, but I don't BAKE.

Also, alcohol has crazy nutritional numbers, so check out beer too. Ancient cultures such as Pharonic Egypt served beer as a bread substitute/ meal item.

This is ME. The beer stays. There was never any other option.

The diet gives you everything you need, you don't hurt for anything (unless you have some unhealthy love for pasta, then it would suck).

I grew up on pasta, and could eat it more often than most. But as I said above, merely going to cut down on the carbs. For a while, going without pasta won't kill me. The thought of giving it up permanently, however, certainly would.

Beer in moderation is actually a pretty decent PWO with food

I drink beer in moderation. Lots and lots of moderation.

By the way, what the hell is PWO?

wait.. Jewish + ham + cheese = very bad... not a good claim for loving Bagels.. I'm dutch and I love Bagels. and yes i know some of the Kosher laws.

I said I am Jewish, not that I keep kosher. I don't. Hell, I have a shirt that says "Bacon makes everything better."

So being Jewish without being kosher means I get the best of both worlds, i.e., ham on rye, challah french toast, bacon, etc.

As for bagels, please. The Jews invented bagels. Being Jewish gives you a great claim on loving them, whether or not you keep kosher, thank you very much. (Technically they were invented by Polish Jewish, and since I am part Polish and 100% Jewish, they are in my blood.)

[Whiskey]

By the way, what the hell is PWO?

Post Work Out [meal]. (see your other thread for blah blah blah)

Yeah, fruit isn't a good thing. the famous atkins book thing gives you a run down of good foods to eat, and generally, fruit is low on the list.


I'm moderating a bottle of plum wine right now.

[Jester]

Fuck Atkins.

I am not doing Atkins, just going to try to lower the carbs. And fruit and veggies are high on my list of things that rock.

I am going to agree with my friend the personal trainer when she said "you can never do too much fruits or vegetables."

[Whiskey]

And fruit and veggies are high on my list of things that rock.
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The only diet and exercise routine a person will stick to is one they enjoy.

[Andara Bledin]

And frankly, if I was going to use a sweetener, it would be nature's sweetener, sugar. Don't believe me? Ask the lab rats.

I prefer an unbleached sugar, myself. I've also found it takes a lot less to have an effect.

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