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  • My grandparents (super long...sorry)

    I'll try to sum up the background of this story to be as short as possible. (yeah, that didn't really work so well.)

    Short Version:
    My paternal grandparents are horrible people.

    Long Version:
    My dad is the oldest of their three children. My grandparents had very high expectations of him; they were (still are) extremely religious and fully expected my father to become a minister. When he was about 13, they sent him away to a private religious school, except they refused to actually drive him to this school and since he had no other way to get there, he had to hitch hike across the state. He was frequently the target of beatings by my grandfather, even when he himself didn't do anything wrong.

    My grandmother was (is) an alcoholic and drank most of their money away. She was nasty and foulmouthed. Her and my grandfather fought and argued all the time. They still do. They do not like each other, let alone love each other, but they never split because it's against their religion. My grandfather is so devout in his faith that he tries to jam it down everyone's throats, even complete strangers. If he finds out someone is not a member of his (very specific) religion, he tells them point blank to their face that they are going to hell when they die. He has told my brother that his kids are going to hell because they were not baptized in my grandfather's church. He has told his daughter that her soul is in danger because, even though she goes to church, she doesn't go to HIS church.

    Several years ago, my grandparents decided to move to Arizona permanently (they used to winter there, spending 6 months in Arizona and 6 months in Wisconsin.) My parents protested because both of my grandparents have a variety of ailments and illnesses and my parents knew that as they got older, my grandparents would be less able to care for themselves on their own, and they have no family in Arizona. But my grandparents went anyway. They were there for about 7 years before their health took a serious turn for the worse and they could no longer care for themselves on their own in their apartment. My aunt flew down and got them moved into and set up in an assisted living home, and then she left. But after a few months there, my grandparents were begging my parents to help them because the assisted living home was so bad.

    My parents, despite everything they'd already gone through with my grandparents when they were younger, took pity on them and decided to help them. They flew down to Arizona and packed my grandparents' belongings and flew them back to Wisconsin, where they set them up in a very nice assisted living home.

    My grandparents were never satisfied for one minute after they came back to Wisconsin. For over a year my parents dealt with them on a daily basis, trying to make them happy and comfortable, but my grandparents did nothing but moan and complain...about everything. About the money (they are not poor, they have plenty of money), about the facility (very nice facility, I was there a few times before I moved to Texas), about the residents and the staff, about the fact that they weren't "free" and that they wanted their own apartment, despite the fact that they knew they couldn't take care of themselves on their own.

    So my parents moved them out of the assisted living home and into an apartment and my grandparents agreed to hire someone to come in and help them with things like laundry and grocery shopping and cooking and cleaning. Once again, they were never satisfied. The apartment was too small (it was a 2 bed room, 2 bath apartment, around 1200 sq ft), the neighbors were too loud, the people they hired to help them were charging too much money or were inadequate. They went through several helpers in the span of a few months.

    Meanwhile, my parents were breaking their backs trying to make my grandparents happy. Despite the fact that by this time, they were mentally exhausted of everything my grandparents had put them through, my parents were still over at their apartment at least every other day to help with everyday things like grocery shopping and cleaning, because my grandparents kept firing the helpers they hired.

    My grandparents kept saying how much nicer it would be if they could live near their daughter, my aunt K, who lives in Montana. K had told them about this beautiful house that was for rent in her town, and how she knew someone who would come in and help them and they'd love this person, etc. Between my grandparents doing nothing but complaining about my parents efforts, and then doing nothing but singing praise about K and how much better it sounded in Montana, my parents finally snapped and told K to come get them. K never actually had any intention of taking my grandparents to Montana; both she and my parents knew that she couldn't really handle them. But my parents told her that they were done and that K needed to at least do something to help. So K came to Wisconsin and moved my grandparents to Montana.

    It's been pretty much a nightmare ever since. The house they rented, while nice, is far too big for them; it's three floors and several bedrooms and bathrooms and they can barely make it across the main floor, let alone up and down stairs and everywhere else. The person K said would take care of them actually never agreed to any such thing, so now K is doing all the work herself. K is also a little unhinged for various reasons and has her own issues, though, so she's slowly going insane between dealing with her own life and my grandparents'. She's called my mom, drunk, at 11pm several times, screaming and wailing about how stressed she is.

    My parents, through the course of all of this, have said several times that they want to wash their hands of my grandparents and have nothing to do with them. No phone calls, no cards or letters, no contact period. Of course, it's never happened. Even after my grandparents moved to Montana, my parents still talked to them several times a week and my grandparents still managed to get my parents worked up and upset, even over the phone. Over the years, especially in the last couple years since they came back from Arizona, my grandparents have said some very nasty, insensitive, rude, and demeaning things to my parents and my parents have been very hurt by them on a number of occasions.

    The latest incident happened last week, when my parents found out that my grandparents wrote my mom out of their will. Like I said, my grandparents have three kids; my dad and his brother are both married, and my aunt is single. Right now, the will is divided up so that when my grandparents die, 1/3 of the money goes to my aunt, 1/3 goes to my uncle and his wife, and 1/3 goes to my dad, but no mention of his wife (my mom) anywhere in the will. This means (from what they can understand, anyway) that if my dad dies before my grandparents (possibility, since he had cancer and heart problems) the money would all go to my aunt and uncle, and my mom and siblings and I wouldn't get any of it.

    We're not really concerned about the money. My parents have plenty of money, and my brothers and I are all doing fine. My mom is extremely hurt, however, that they would write her out of their will after everything she (and my dad) did for them. When they moved back to Wisconsin after living in Arizona for 7 years, my mom did a ton of stuff for them, more than my dad did. She cooked and baked for them, she did their laundry, she cleaned their bathrooms. She went over there and just spent time with them so they wouldn't be lonely. She did get snippy with them a few times, after they had said or did something very offensive toward her. On the whole, though, she was very kind and patient with them, and their way of repaying her is to basically remove her from what they consider their family.

    I have long had issues with my grandparents, particularly my grandfather. When they moved to Montana, my mom kept urging me to call them or send them a letter or a card or something because it would make them so happy to hear from me. I never did, because I felt no reason to. I did not particularly like them, especially after my parents told me all of the utter filth my grandparents put them through. I felt no reason to try and connect with them.

    This Christmas, they sent my husband and I a card. I got a card to send them in return, since I do feel like since they made the effort to send us one, we could send them one in return. However, I have not sent it out yet (I actually keep meaning to ask my mom for their address and forgetting) and after the whole incident with writing my mom out of their will, I am really debating what to do.

    I really want to tell them off. No one in my family has had the balls to do so thus far. My brothers and my parents and I all talk about them amongst ourselves, and tell each other how horrible and mean and nasty they are, and yet my brothers still send them nice cards and pictures of their families, and my parents...well, my parents have once again said that they aren't going to speak to my grandparents anymore, but I doubt that will last longer than a few weeks. They will at least continue to talk to my grandparents on the phone and not tell them how they really feel.

    I think it needs to end, and that my grandparents need to be told, without tip-toeing around the issue, how much they have hurt my family. No one has actually ever said that to them and no one seems inclined to, so I feel I should, even though I'm not directly involved in most of the incidents I hear about.

    What do you guys think?

  • #2
    If it will make you feel any better, tell them off. But understand it won't cause any sort of epiphany to happen or change anything.

    This story could have been written about my own family. Namely, by Aunt Martha. They brought the old bag back home because she was alone with failing health and every single time anyone goes to see her, it's a huge awful trauma because she is so critical and unhappy and toxic to everyone.

    And then they come complain to me about how hurt they are. I'm like, listen, here's something you all didn't consider when you brought the old biddy back here: Aunt Martha is an asshole. She was an asshole when she was young and she's an asshole now that she's old. Why you surprised when you go over there and she's acting like an asshole? News flash, cousins: It ain't an act.

    Sometimes, people are assholes. Your grandparents? Assholes. Not going to change that with one Come To Jesus meeting, especially at their age. Just accept that they are assholes, and try not to be so shocked when they act like it. My family has yet to learn this, and there'd be a whole lot less gnashing of teeth around here if they would.

    If it makes you smile, this story could also describe one of my friend's grandmother, who was so nasty and toxic my friend hated and feared her. Karma smiled on her at the bitch's funeral, when the pall bearers fumbled and, to quote our hero Dante Hicks: "She fell out of her fucking coffin." My friend fled, overcome with emotion. And when I say "emotion", I mean "pee your pants laughter."

    You can't change these people. Don't think that you can if you just said the right thing. They are what they are.
    Last edited by RecoveringKinkoid; 01-27-2011, 07:18 PM.

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    • #3
      While i understand the want to tell your grandparents off, it's not needed. I say this because, as Kinkoid said, it's not going to change them.

      I can be wrong, and i suppose so could Kinkoid, in that they COULD change, even a little. BUt with the history of your situation, even if you WERE to do such, it would just escalate the problem. Far more than just your mother could be taken out of the will, thus hurting more people.

      I feel for your mother, that is a horrible thing to have happen to you. Have a "loved one" excommunicate them from being family.

      Also, bear in mind, that it is said in the Bible to honor thy mother and thy father, which in fold also goes with grandparents. Even if you are not of that religion, it is still wise to try and be as honorable to your parents and grandparents, and elders for that matter, as you can. Karma is still there, if you believe in such. And for the most part, you can look back at your life and say "i'm the better person. I was still as polite and loving as one could be in that situation."

      I'm not saying to do as your parents once did with your grandparents; I'm pretty much just trying to be devil's advocate AND understand how you feel.

      I have a story for another day, another time about my own family, so i can sympathize and empathize with you.

      As for the card...if you haven't sent it now, i wouldn't bother. Sometimes with certain people, "better late than never" means diddly squat.
      I can only please one person a day, today isn't your day, and tomorrow doesn't look good either.

      When someone asks you a stupid question, give them a stupid answer.

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      • #4
        What do you want to achieve?

        Think about what you want to achieve. Think about what it's realistically possible to achieve.

        Then think about cold-bloodedly manipulating your grandparents to achieve it.

        Frankly, they don't sound like they deserve consideration. So go ahead and manipulate hell out of them. Get what you want achieved, done, by any means which doesn't hurt the people you don't want hurt. (Your family, innocent carers, etc.)

        Good luck.
        Seshat's self-help guide:
        1. Would you rather be right, or get the result you want?
        2. If you're consistently getting results you don't want, change what you do.
        3. Deal with the situation you have now, however it occurred.
        4. Accept the consequences of your decisions.

        "All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools." - Anders, Dragon Age.

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        • #5
          I would suggest leaving it be. Your grandparents are set in their ways, even if those ways are nasty and toxic, telling them off would probably not faze them one bit and would most likely fuel a firestorm. I know it is difficult to see your mom and dad suffer at the hands of these people and it is even sadder that it is your own family that is acting like that, your parents have been patient and kind, but I think that stepping in at this point would prove to be fruitless. I think it is horrible how family can treat each other with such disregard to feelings. Hang in there, give your mom and dad the emotional support that they need and they will always know that they have a shoulder to cry on and a sympathetic ear that will listen to their frustrations.

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          • #6
            Quoth surreal20 View Post
            I can be wrong, and i suppose so could Kinkoid, in that they COULD change, even a little. BUt with the history of your situation, even if you WERE to do such, it would just escalate the problem. Far more than just your mother could be taken out of the will, thus hurting more people.

            I feel for your mother, that is a horrible thing to have happen to you. Have a "loved one" excommunicate them from being family.
            I second that. My paternal great-grandfather was forced to give up all contact with his family after he got married. Seems his new wife was a bitch, and actually *hated* the rest of the family. She actually cut ties with the rest of the family, meaning my grandfather didn't really know them at all. He wasn't the only one. Because of what she did...I have no idea who I'm related to. The only thing I share with them, is my last name. I never got to know them at all--we're not even mentioned until the very last page of the family history book
            Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines. --Enzo Ferrari

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            • #7
              Thanks guys. It would make me feel better, to an extent, to tell them off somehow, but as you guys said, it wouldn't change anything in the long run. They have been toxic ever since my parents were born, they are not about to change now. I do wish I could convince my parents to just cease all contact with them. They have said time and again that they are going to sever all communication with my grandparents and they never do. It's not even my grandparents initiating the conversations...my parents will be the ones to pick up the phone a week after vowing never to talk to them again. I am just glad that I live far, far away from all of them so I don't have to deal with any of it directly.

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              • #8
                ... one wonders how this has trickled down to your parents, and their treatment of you.
                Stories like this make me want to cry. I hate it when my idealism is screwed with (ie logic and kindness and reason work... )
                I'd ignore them. Buuuttt... being cold and treating them like strangers might work. Also, if any grandbabies are made, tell them, but don't show them. That might piss them off.
                what?
                EDIT: wow you weren't kidding! Longpost is Long. o_O
                "Is it the lie that keeps you sane? Is this the lie that keeps you sane?What is it?Can it be?Ought it to exist?"
                "...and may it be that I cleave to the ugly truth, rather than the beautiful lie..."

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                • #9
                  My parents are a little screwed up too (whose aren't, right?) but they're not as bad as my grandparents. At least my parents came to the conclusion, when I was very young, to get out of the church that my grandfather is a part of. I'm very grateful for that.

                  There will be no grandbabies but there are plenty of grandkitties that they won't get pictures of. They've asked for pictures of my husband and I (they've never met him) and so far I have not obliged. I feel no reason to.

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                  • #10
                    Your grandparents have chosen to fill their lives with misery. If they don't have misery, they have nothing! Do not allow them to add misery to your life. They have the resources and capabilities to change their own situation to suit themselves, instead they chose to make others join them in their misery. Maintain your own piece of mind with the answers to these questions what they want: 1. What do you care for the opinion of fools? 2. How do I avoid giving them more misery?
                    Remain polite and refuse to reply to or acknowledge anything mean or cruel that they say or do. This way you refuse to engage in the exchange of misery. Don't be surprised if they get worse trying to force you to engage in their little game of "Let's make each other miserable"

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                    • #11
                      I can't give much advice, but I do understand having horrid grandparents who drag down the whole family. I had a grandmother like that who expected my Dad to care for her and the family, and hated my Mother and I for ruining that for her. Any time I saw that side of the family I would get really sick from the stress, my Dad finally said enough and we had very little to do with them, we didn't invite them over and we put grandma in a nursing home and Dad would only visit for half an hour at most. It sounds cruel but after years of being cruel to him and us it didn't matter. After she passed away we barely saw his siblings and we are much happier for it, they were a bunch of users too.

                      Cut them out of your lives as much as you can, I wouldn't confront them it will only make it worse, I told off my grandmother once for all she did to my Dad and trust me when I say it was worse. I nice long ranting angry letter* does help, don't send it but burn it, I did it and it made me feel so much better. I still hate the family for what they did to my Dad, I found out more of what my grandmother did, including letting one of her many boyfriends beat my father and almost killing him. Now that Grandma is gone, one of his brothers is gone and we barely talk to his horrible sister, it's so much better. Look forward to the future.

                      As much as you hate to see them stressed understand your parents feel obligated, it's hard to imaging why they would feel that way to people who hurt them so bad and treat them so bad. Let them know you love them, you will support them and you don't like seeing them so stressed and that they should never feel guilty for looking after themselves. If they ask you to be involved with your grandparents tell them while you support them you will not and you want them to support your decision. Lastly remember, when the old goats die, the funeral will be for the people you love, not them, go and hold your parent's hands stand with them, then have a drink to celebrate.

                      * I said letter, but I wrote an entire journal then burned the thing. Bitter? Yea just a bit but I tell you that woman was EVIL. Oh it felt good to burn that thing.
                      Last edited by Squeaksmyalias; 01-29-2011, 11:52 PM.
                      I'm the 5th horsemen of the apocalypse. Bringer of giggly bouncy doom, they don't talk about me much.

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                      • #12
                        I agree with Squeaksmyalias: write a letter of how you truly feel, all the hurt they have caused you and your parents. Seal it up, then burn it. It will make you feel better. They won't change, so don't even bother. If you don't want contact with them, it's your choice. After reading your post, I don't blame you one bit.

                        I'm truly glad that my grandparents were not like that (though my maternal grandmother was PISSED that my mom didn't marry a German Catholic, she got over it quickly, though). They all have been gone, at least, a decade, and I miss them dearly (I'm getting choked up writing this).
                        "Life is tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid" Redd Foxx as Al Royal - The Royal Family - Pilot Episode - 1991.

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                        • #13
                          Quoth Taurus52 View Post
                          Your grandparents have chosen to fill their lives with misery. If they don't have misery, they have nothing! Do not allow them to add misery to your life. They have the resources and capabilities to change their own situation to suit themselves, instead they chose to make others join them in their misery. Maintain your own piece of mind with the answers to these questions what they want: 1. What do you care for the opinion of fools? 2. How do I avoid giving them more misery?
                          Remain polite and refuse to reply to or acknowledge anything mean or cruel that they say or do. This way you refuse to engage in the exchange of misery. Don't be surprised if they get worse trying to force you to engage in their little game of "Let's make each other miserable"
                          Agreed. They sound like the kind of people who honestly believe happiness is sinister--just like my in-laws. Cut them off minimize contact.
                          I'm trying to see things from your point of view, but I can't get my head that far up my keister!

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