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    So, way too long ago, I commissioned a costume from an online tailor. He had an ebay store with lots of great feedback. I contacted him privately about doing a commission for me, and he agreed. I paid via Paypal.

    A couple days ago, I sent him this e-mail, it pretty much tells the story:

    I ordered and paid for a >superhero<costume from you on January 17th, 2011. At that time you indicated that the completion date for the costume would be 4-5 weeks. It has now been almost five months since I placed the order. I understand that sometimes people’s lives can be disrupted in unpredictable ways and that can affect your work. However, at this point I feel I have been more than patient.

    On May 27th and June 7th I told you that I had to have the costume for >con<, which begins August 4th , but wanted it earlier so I could have adjustments made if needed. You didn’t indicate this would be a problem. On June 13th you said you would be mailing the costume shortly, but didn’t offer any shipping information or an estimated time of arrival. I contacted you at both >email address< and >email address< on July 1st and July 9th.

    To date I have not received a response. At no point during our correspondence have you volunteered updates on the status of my commission or any explanation as to why it is taking so much longer than estimated.

    If you can’t get me the costume I ordered by July 25th, I will request a refund. If you do not respond to this e-mail by the morning of Friday, July 15th, I will open a Paypal dispute at 1 p.m. EST in order to obtain a refund. I will sending them the full text of our correspondence.


    So I sent that yesterday and today I get the response:

    The costume has been returned. Please send the best address to ship to.

    That was it. No apology, no explanation. I do not believe this for one minute. I have given him my valid street address no fewer than 3 times. I gave him my address AGAIN and told him I wanted to know as soon as it was shipped and tracking info. I plan to email him twice a day until Friday about it. If there is no response, I will open a Paypal dispute on Friday. If he replies with shipping info, I will wait until July 25th.

    Questions:

    Do you guys think he is just stringing me along so he can have time to flee the country or something?

    I did not tell him I didn't believe his returned package BS. Should I tell him next time he e-mails me? Or should I send a 'by the way' e-mail today? I m still trying to be polite and professional so when (not if anymore, I expect never to get this costume but a part of me still hopes...) I open this dispute the Paypal people can look at the email chain and see that.

    I am a little afraid he might close his Paypal account. Can a dispute be pursued if he does something like that?

    Is it smarter just to tell him to forget it and go ahead and open a dispute? If this costume even exists, I really would like to have it.

    After this is over, whatever the outcome, I plan to tell my personal friends never to do business with this guy. Would it be over the top to go to costuming forums and warn strangers as well?
    https://www.facebook.com/authorpatriciacorrell/

  • #2
    You have his address - if he's trying to scam you then you can give that to the police.
    Quote Dalesys:
    ... as in "Ifn thet dawg comes at me, Ima gonna shutz ma panz!"

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    • #3
      Assuming the worst case scenario...

      I would ask (demand) information on how he is shipping it and ask for any relevant tracking information. If he can't or won't provide it I would just go right to filing a dispute.

      The seller already has your money. They have no real incentive to anything at this point IMO. If he can get you tacking or relevant shipping information then I would do as you specified in your e-mail. If you don't have it by the 25th then file a dispute for a refund. I assume you did not just arbitrarily select this date.

      As for the other options you suggested I would wait until the issue has played out before you go around bad mouthing him. As it stands I think you would be justified in doing so.

      I don't know enough about e-bay as far as how disputes are handles, so I can't speak to those potential issues.

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      • #4
        Quoth AnaKhouri View Post
        The costume has been returned. Please send the best address to ship to.
        ... Do what? 'Returned'? Does he mean he sent it once and the address was wrong?
        "I call murder on that!"

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        • #5
          Quoth AnaKhouri View Post
          So, way too long ago, I commissioned a costume from an online tailor. He had an ebay store with lots of great feedback. I contacted him privately about doing a commission for me, and he agreed. I paid via Paypal.
          well there is a reason ebay explicitly tells you not to do this.

          Quoth AnaKhouri View Post
          Is it smarter just to tell him to forget it and go ahead and open a dispute? If this costume even exists, I really would like to have it.
          well considering you have already lost the dispute-
          from the paypal website
          All claims must be filed within 45 days of the transaction or the claim will be denied
          Honestly.... the image of that in my head made me go "AWESOME!"..... and then I remembered I am terribly strange.-Red dazes

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          • #6
            I found this guy on ebay, but he also has a website where he takes commissions and a professional profile on LinkedIn. I checked him out before I contacted him.

            I can't get my money back from Paypal at this point, but I can register a dispute anyway, which puts a black mark on his account so the next time he scams someone they will complain, and once the complaints pile up Paypal will take action against him.

            I am also researching if I can report him to the Better Business Bureau in his state, or if there are other online business watchdog agencies, just so there are official records of my complaints.
            Last edited by AnaKhouri; 07-17-2011, 08:53 PM.
            https://www.facebook.com/authorpatriciacorrell/

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            • #7
              Update: I filed a complaint with Paypal. Amazingly, my costume showed up in the mail shortly afterward. It's fantastic, possibly the best costume I've ever commissioned, and I adore it. But I'm still never going to order again from this guy. I am fighting the feeling that maybe I was too bitchy, but then I think, I had good cause to be bitchy, this guy has zero customer service skill (and we here should know customer service, right?). Maybe if I hadn't been bitchy, I would still be waiting and wouldn't have had it for Gencon. I'm just not going to do business again with someone who only answers e-mails if I threaten him. :
              https://www.facebook.com/authorpatriciacorrell/

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              • #8
                Glad you got your costume.
                Sorry that such wonderfulness is attached to a man who needs a few whacks with a clue-by-four.
                Pics? (of the cosplay)
                (I still remember your cosplay with Khan... )
                "Is it the lie that keeps you sane? Is this the lie that keeps you sane?What is it?Can it be?Ought it to exist?"
                "...and may it be that I cleave to the ugly truth, rather than the beautiful lie..."

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                • #9
                  After Gencon I'll throw up some pics. Right now I just don't have time to slap on makeup and do my hair all cute.
                  https://www.facebook.com/authorpatriciacorrell/

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                  • #10
                    Yeah, not so much scammer as "self-employed with craptacular customer service skills." I don't doubt you'd still be waiting for the costume had you not forced the issue.

                    I do have to say, one of the greatest blessings I've found in my switch to freelance art and convention sales is the customer service experience I got during my stints at Walmart. I've seen other artists at conventions who are about as anti-social as they come, very off-putting and not encouraging sales, and am actually grateful for Walmart making me go out of my comfort zone and learn how to be friendly and approachable to encourage a sale. I just know there are people who've bought from me simply because I actually smiled at them and chatted a bit instead of hunching over a DS/phone/similar device and glaring at everyone around me (yes, I really did see an artist doing this one year).

                    I want to see pics too.
                    "Enough expository banter. It's time we fight like men. And ladies. And ladies who dress like men. For Gilgamesh...IT'S MORPHING TIME!"
                    - Gilgamesh, Final Fantasy V

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