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  • What would you think? (long)

    OK, so this isn't for me but a friend of mine (S)

    There's a guy (P) she has known for years. They used to work together before he moved away, and have stayed friends, good friends, all that time despite not seeing each other very much. Now, my friend has always carried a bit of a torch for P, though she never told him so, believing that she wasn't his type so why spoil a good friendship. Meanwhile, far away, P had various relationships which ran their courses and finished.

    During the last 2 or 3 years, however, P seemed to be getting closer emotionally to S... obviously I only know this secondhand, but their phonecalls were more and more frequent, more affectionate, he would often say how much he depended upon the contact he had with her, that kind of thing. Eventually she plucked up courage to ask would he like to spend Christmas with her, and he seemed to jump at the chance. Plans were made, he arrived, met her family, brought presents for everyone, and by all appearances had a great time. In fact, he told her that it was the best Christmas he could remember. And what she treasured most, he told her on Christmas morning that she was the most important person in the world to him.

    Well, after Boxing Day he went back home and things went back to normal. S was quietly happy, she felt that they had reached a point where they could start building an actual relationship, that they knew how much they mattered to each other... she had started thinking about when their next time together could be.

    Then one Saturday evening she phoned him, only to be told 'I've actually got company at the moment....' Fair enough, when you've got company it's a bit awkward to have a long chat with someone else while your guest just sits there. So she said OK, and would he be there the next day? P said yes. S phoned Sunday afternoon, no answer. Again in the evening... no answer. S gets a bit worried and wonders if he's OK.

    Monday evening she gets a call from P, apologising for not being in, saying he forgot she was going to be calling. S was a bit miffed by that but didn't make anything of it.

    The next Sunday evening she called me, utterly distraught. She had phoned P, and after chatting in their usual way he had dropped the bombshell.... The person who had been there on the Saturday? His ex girlfriend. I mean ex as in some years ago. She had called him saying she was coming over, he said OK - according to him she had spent the afternoon basically throwing herself at him - that didn't work, so eventually she just went and got into his bed.

    THAT worked.....

    According to my friend he's now agreed that he will see this ex 'on and off' (more on than off, if you ask me) because he has needs which are 'now being met'. He then said to S 'That probably doesn't make you very happy' To which she replied 'I've been happier, yes.' I think he was expecting screaming and shouting, but that's not how she rolls. So S is now hurt, angry and bewildered... she thinks she must have read the signs wrong, but when she thinks about all he said and did, she can't see how she could have possibly not thought she meant something to him.

    What do you all think?

    S says that if P had told her that he had met someone new and fallen head over heels in love, it would have made her sad, but she would have been happy for him. But to tell her that he basically intends to see this other girl to get his end away, and that it 'doesn't affect any friendship between US' ... MY friend said to me 'She turns up and waves her knickers at him, and next thing it's 'Move over Darling' and I'm demoted to Friend Who Lives Far Away again'.

    It may be that the torch has finally gone out, but S says she feels as if something died in her when he told her that.
    Engaged to the sweet Mytical He is my Black Dragon (and yes, a good one) strong, protective, the guardian. I am his Silver Dragon, always by his side, shining for him, cherishing him.

  • #2
    Angel, most of my response would fit more on www.fratching.com, but here is the bit that is fit for this board.

    I think she should make sure to dump the chump, she would be much better off. I know it is hard, and it hurts, but honestly she can do much better. Sorry love, that is all I can safely say on the matter here
    Engaged to the amazing Marmalady. She is my Silver Dragon, shining as bright as the sun. I her Black Dragon (though good honestly), dark as night..fierce and strong.

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    • #3
      Have to agree with Mytical. She'll be better off without him.

      He's more interested in some free physical activities than actually working on a possible relationship.

      If it were me, I'd make a clean break. It wouldn't be worth it to constantly put myself in a situation of pain, no matter how much I want something to happen. You just get to a point where enough is enough. And I think you're right, it does sound like she's getting ready to move on.

      Do you know if he was making comments about being alone for Christmas to her prior to the invitation?

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      • #4
        He wants to have his cake and eat it too, ie. he wants to have a physical relationship right now, no strings, just have fun, and have all the emotional support she's giving him.

        I know the "right" answer here is supposed to be to call him names and tell her to dump him even as a friend because he's an awful person, but human beings are more complicated than "good person" and "bad person." He's human. He's done something that hurt her a lot. Humans DO that. I hurt my husband very severely once. In the end it made what we have together much, much, much stronger.

        I've *been* the guy here, and it wasn't because I was a horrible user who shouldn't even be somebody's friend. One act doesn't necessarily make him a horrible person. It does make him rather thoughtless, and very selfish, but at least he was honest with her, which is a small sign that this might be salvageable.

        It might not be. Maybe he is a dick who just wants everything his way and to hell with how other people feel. She'll need to find that out. The best way to do that is to be HONEST with him. Which she hasn't been, has she?

        Right now he sees that he has a fuckbuddy and a buddy. That's not a problem. You can have a fuckbuddy and a buddy. You're not cheating on anybody. But a fuckbuddy and a girlfriend are different things. He probably at least suspects that she wants something romantic, the things he's said point in that direction. But "suspect" and "know" aren't the same thing. She needs to tell him where she stands. That she wants him as more than just a friend. That she isn't comfortable with this other girl. And possibly that it's the other girl or her, and he has to choose. Though I wouldn't start with ultimatums, I'd start with a frank discussion of her feelings. "I am hurt" not "you're a dillweed." "I was hoping we might have a romance" not "how dare you chase somebody else." That kind of thing.

        If he still wants it both ways, even with frank and open discussion of how she feels, then yeah, time to make a clean break and get him out of her life. But this could very well go in the other direction when he realizes that he has to choose between getting easy casual sex and having somebody who's very important to him stay in his life.
        Last edited by spark; 02-20-2012, 07:49 AM.
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        • #5
          I would agree with you spark normally. Except for a comment made..how he knew it would hurt her. In other words..he already knows she wants more, but chose to sleep with the other person anyhow. I am one of the most open minded people you might find. People consenting to things, hey more power too them, whatever floats their boat. If all parties are not in agreement, however, then not so much. I know mistakes happen, and personally I am a forgive and forget type person..not a jealous type at all...

          To be honest, a lot of my reply is because that guys that sleep around at the drop of a hat make us other guys look bad..I know that is a big part of the reason for my frustration and answer..I've had the opportunity..don't get me wrong..admitting you made a mistake and trying to correct it is admirable..but from the sounds of the op that is not what is happening..it is sounding like he is saying "I am going to keep sleeping with my ex..sorry."

          To quote the OP
          According to my friend he's now agreed that he will see this ex 'on and off' (more on than off, if you ask me) because he has needs which are 'now being met'. He then said to S 'That probably doesn't make you very happy' To which she replied 'I've been happier, yes.'
          Last edited by Mytical; 02-20-2012, 08:11 AM.
          Engaged to the amazing Marmalady. She is my Silver Dragon, shining as bright as the sun. I her Black Dragon (though good honestly), dark as night..fierce and strong.

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          • #6
            Quoth Mytical View Post
            "I am going to keep sleeping with my ex..sorry."
            That's just it - I don't think the word 'sorry' was mentioned.
            Engaged to the sweet Mytical He is my Black Dragon (and yes, a good one) strong, protective, the guardian. I am his Silver Dragon, always by his side, shining for him, cherishing him.

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            • #7
              After reading the first post several times, I'm now chiming in.

              P's ex-girlfriend just told him she was coming over, and he agreed. As far as I can see, from the post, he didn't argue the point, or suggest that they meet somewhere else, or ask why she wanted to see him.

              She threw herself at him, he didn't want any of it until she got into his bed. That doesn't make any sense to me. Why was she suddenly more attractive then? I mean, he'd seen her naked before, so she had nothing new to show.

              And he "forgot" that S was going to be calling him.

              I wonder if this is a carefully concocted story on his part. The whole thing just doesn't ring true. I think it's far more likely that the two of them hooked up over the weekend, and he spent some time figuring out a story that would sound plausible - well, plausible by his standards, anyway.

              As much as it will hurt S to break things off, I think it's the best thing to do. She'll only go through much more pain anyway. She could try something like this:

              "I had feelings for you that were stronger than friendship, and now that I know my feelings aren't reciprocated, I'm not going to stay in contact with you. It's healthier for all involved."

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              • #8
                *nods*

                As I said to Mytical, S's usual response when someone lets her down is to kind of close a door in her head. I've known it happen before. She will continue to associate with them, work with them if it's a CW, but mentally she marks them as 'can't be relied upon' and they no longer have access to the part of her where she keeps her deeper feelings, if that makes sense?

                Sorry if that sounds weird, she might be able to explain it better.

                On the other hand, if he's at the other end of the country, there's no need for her to do that... She's not likely to just bump into him or the other girl when in town or anything (which might be just as well - have you ever seen anyone who's gone straight through being angry and come out the other side? I mean you could have got freezer burn off her the other night) So as far as I can see she's no reason to maintain the friendship, if he can do that to her then it seems to me that he's not bothered about her or what she thinks about him.
                Last edited by Marmalady; 02-20-2012, 09:31 AM.
                Engaged to the sweet Mytical He is my Black Dragon (and yes, a good one) strong, protective, the guardian. I am his Silver Dragon, always by his side, shining for him, cherishing him.

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                • #9
                  Correct me if I'm wrong, but there was no explicit talk about deepening the relationship, yeah?

                  It sounds to me like the guy suspected there might be a potential to turn close friendship into romance, with someone on the other side of the country.

                  He then later chose to fulfill his physical needs with someone nearby.

                  He may be being a dink, but he's not being nearly as big of a douche as your friend is thinking he is. They do not have a romantic relationship. He is not breaking up with her, he is not cheating on her. He probably has no idea how deep her feelings run for him.

                  Let me give you an example from my personal experience. They guy I'm seeing now was one of my best friends for years before we started dating. When I started to become interested in him, it wasn't "Oh hey, I think I'm in love with this guy, we should go out." It was more like "Hey, I like this guy as a friend, and he's pretty attractive, I wonder if we'd be a good couple." Turns out, we make a fantastic couple, and the only reason we're not engaged yet is we're still in college and don't have good jobs yet. But if someone had come along in the time between my starting to wonder about him and actually asking him out, I might well have gone along with it.

                  I'd be willing to bet money that, if P is thinking about a romantic relationship with S at all, it's the way I was thinking about my guy before we started dating. And that's not ruling out the possibility that P is vaguely aware of S's feelings, but isn't actually interested in her the same way. There's no rule that says you have to be romantically interested in someone you love, he could think of her as more of a sister.

                  Before she blows him off, she should have a frank and open discussion with him about both their feelings, and decide her next move based on that.
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                  • #10
                    Am I the only one thinking that poor S has totally been friendzoned? Poor thing.

                    I have to agree though, she'd be best off having a discussion with him about it, before deciding further. Communication is always key in EVERYTHING. Friendships, relationships, etc.

                    I do hope that everything works out for her in the end.
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                    • #11
                      Quoth Seraph View Post
                      Am I the only one thinking that poor S has totally been friendzoned? Poor thing.
                      I've been thinking the same thing myself.

                      The thing is, S has often told me things that P has said to her over the past year or so, and to be honest if I had been in her shoes, then I would also have come to the conclusion that this guy was interested in being more than friends. Everything seemed to point to it. This ex hadn't even been mentioned since he had extricated himself from her, which by all accounts took some doing as she sounds like the kind of person who wants someone else to do her thinking for her.

                      Which has also started me thinking... S is a very direct, purposeful sort of person. Paddles her own canoe, sorts out her own problems, gets on with things. I may be wildly astray here, but I can't help wondering whether P is so used to the kind of relationship where he's expected to ride to the rescue all the time, that the idea of not having to do that throws him off balance. It may be that he has come to expect the drama and histrionics and feels that it's not a proper relationship without them.
                      Engaged to the sweet Mytical He is my Black Dragon (and yes, a good one) strong, protective, the guardian. I am his Silver Dragon, always by his side, shining for him, cherishing him.

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