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  • In which I am very confused, hurt and regretful (NSFW)

    Ok, before I continue, this involves rather explicit talk about the birds and bees, so stop now if you don't want to see that.




    Still here? Ok. So I have been friends with a girl who is kind of on an up and down streak when it comes to sanity, stability, and morals. This is the same young lady who tried to have me arrested on trumped up charges (posted an earlier thread, someone link to it if you can find it.) Anyway, a few months ago we made up and started hanging out again. Now, this girl is much more...experienced, shall we say, than I am at the physical side of love (I am a 31 year old Christian who has always kept his virginity up to now.) I recently have really started to feel angry and left out over the fact that I am(was?) still virginal when most of my friends are married and have been for some time. I was feeling very resentful that I have been "left out" of something that is part of most people's lives, i.e. sex and relationships. About a week ago I was feeling the need to talk to someone about this, and I had plans to pick up my friend that night for dinner and hang out.

    I picked her up and started explaining my feelings in this regard, since I felt I could get some advice on love and if sex is really such a big deal from her since she's been there herself. I didn't realize until I had already opened my mouth that she was stinking drunk off her rear at the time (she's got substance abuse issues she swore she'd kicked.)Naturally, she was...intrigued by this and admitted she found me very attractive--how stable, steady and respectful I am, and offered to take my virginity. While tempted, I refused since she was drunk and in my mind, not able to consent.

    However, this opened the door to further talk over the last week about the topic, and we decided that, while our friendship was important and maybe jumping straight into sex wasn't the best idea, perhaps we should give dating a chance. Friday we went to lunch and then hung out at my place. We decided we were going to be a couple, and we started kissing a little. After that she went out on the balcony to smoke, like she often does. She spent longer out there than normal, and when she came back, she was acting a little weird. She demanded I clean my apartment and started swearing at me and really cracking the whip. I did as she asked, because this isn't the first time she's complained about this, although I did think she was being more stringent about it than normal. Afterwards, we snuggled down on the couch for a bit, then she told me I should take her in the back and make love to her. I was going to, but then she changed her mind and said we weren't ready.

    She disappeared onto the balcony again, and when she came back, we decided to order food. However, she was acting VERY strange by now, demanding to know literally a second after we decided to order pizza if I had done it yet and then announced she was going to sleep in my bed. Her equilibrium was off, as well, and she was speaking very deliberately, and kept repeating things over and over and over that she had just said. She also seemed kind of out of it. Then she said that I should have had sex with her several times by now and started undressing, and demanded I take off my clothes. Against my better judgement (but by now very horny) I did so and we started...well, you know. We had a major problem, though--we're both heavy, and I literally could not get the clearance to...well, get inside.

    Then my bed (a single) collapsed and we fell off. After we moved to the floor, her cursing me out for not having a bigger bed, I looked in her eyes and noticed her pupils were very large. I said, without thinking, "You're high, aren't you?" She pushed me off and snapped at me, saying all sorts of things about how could I possibly accuse her of that when she's naked, etc., that how could THAT be what I was thinking about at a time like that, and I...well, it's my first time (still not sure if I'm technically still a virgin or not, since I never got inside,) and I just went...limp. Could not get it back, either. We tried for like 20 minutes (and she seemed to forget she was angry at me inside two minutes, another sign) and she cursed me out royally. She called me selfish, an asshole, a f***ing jerk, the whole nine yards. I started crying. Understandable, I think. I mean, I already feel horrible because I tried for the first time, at 31, and couldn't keep it up (every guy's worst nightmare, and something I have read can scar you for life if it happens your first time) and here she is cursing me out for something I can't control. Then she goes out on the balcony, AGAIN, and refuses to put her clothes on (And yes, people can see the balcony. She wouldn't even turn the light off.) Then she comes back inside and gets dressed and has me take her home like nothing happened. LIKE NOTHING HAPPENED.

    Since then, I haven't really talked to her, but I am just very confused. She has no other real friends, and I promised her (and meant it) that if we slept together, I wouldn't let it keep us from being friends. That I knew what it meant for her to offer herself to me at all (she's been raped in the past) and that I would respect that. But after what happened, I am feeling ashamed, angry as hell, frustrated, horny, unbelievably (although not for a couple days,) almost like I would want to try again and like I never want to see her again all at the same time. I don't know if having a talk with her about the way she acts under the influence and telling her I won't be around her if she is would be the best step, going back to being just friends with the same restrictions (as well as she's not welcome alone at my place with me anymore) or just cutting all ties would be the best thing. I have to say, though, I am worried she might try to accuse me of rape or sexual assault or something if I piss her off badly enough. I could really use some advice.

  • #2
    STOP, STOP, STOP. This is why I live by one rule, that rule has protected me a couple times and I've seen those who don't follow it get hurt.


    Don't stick your dick in the crazy.
    Interviewer: What is your greatest weakness?
    Me: I expect competence from my coworkers.

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    • #3
      Quoth gremcint View Post
      Don't stick your dick in the crazy.
      This. Just... This.

      The chance to say you're not a virgin and getting your dick wet is not worth whatever Crazy McFunBags has in store for you.

      She will make your life hell. Period.

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      • #4
        Honey...I'm sorry, but she isn't worth it.
        That scares me. To a high extent.

        I understand she has some problems in her past, (we have the same sexual abuse history)

        But she is too out of control


        I can tell, you're a kind person, and you mean well for those you care about, but she will make you even more bitter and twisted. Please don't continue this.

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        • #5
          Oh, I agree with that much at least already. I was NOT planning on actually trying it again, I was just tempted. Fortunately, the experience ALSO acted as a MAJOR cold shower. I do want to know how I can protect myself against her trying to accuse me after the fact of taking advantage of HER....

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          • #6
            Honestly, Barracuda, you need to ask yourself:

            What do you gain from this friendship? Is it support? Laughter? Intelligent debate?
            Or it is drama? Incriminations? Confusion?

            If you're getting more bad than good from any relationship, you need to decide if you want to put up with it, or cut your ties. And in this instance, I would cut my ties.
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            • #7
              This person has hurt you. I have been a lonely person myself, so I realize having willing friends (let alone opposite sex ones) is alluring in ways popular folk do not understand.

              This woman has hurt you before. You knew what you were doing when you allowed this person back into your life. The promise you made was to not make the ACT of sex change your relationship. The thing changing your relationship is her sliding back into substance abuse and being a terrible person. Your faux friend is a user. I do not believe her claim of altruism to "cure" your virginity. People, in general, like control. Giving you a sexual experience would have made her OWN you. It's a terrible thing to look at the rest of the community (and have it feel like the whole world) and think "When is MY TURN!??!"

              Taking what you can get, when you can get it, is a natural response. Friendship, companionship, sex, it's easy for people getting those things regularly to preach about choices and self respect. You might be willing to settle for this woman, baggage and all. If you do, it will be an uphill battle, with built in landmines. It's easy for me to say "You can do better", I don't have to do it.

              Just know that you DESERVE respect. DEMAND it. You clearly do not want an inebriated partner. I would say to walk away from this person and start making other things happen. If you choose to have any sort of dealings with this woman, you will HAVE to take control. If she is high, she leaves. If she is abusive, she LEAVES. I wouldn't even bother "taking" her anywhere. She should know the rules beforehand, and deal with her own behavior.
              You hold power over me and abuse it. I do not like it, and say so. Suddenly I am a problem.. FIND. A. MIRROR!

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              • #8
                in regards to having to defend yourself against accusations honestly it's a sticky situation. There's a lot of fratching territory here so I'll stick to basic advice.

                First did anyone see her meet with you or leave with you to know she was with you willingly at first?

                Next did she have any injuries at all? I mean from before your encounter.

                How soundproof is your apartment, and how much do your neighbours like you?
                would they back you up that she didn't cry for help or wasn't threatened?

                How definitively were the charges proven to be false?

                Never ever let this woman back in your life.
                Interviewer: What is your greatest weakness?
                Me: I expect competence from my coworkers.

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                • #9
                  She sounds so nuts I don't think I'd be able to keep it up either, even if she was super model hot.
                  "I've found that when you want to know the truth about someone, that someone is probably the last person you should ask." - House

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                  • #10
                    Quoth Barracuda View Post
                    I do want to know how I can protect myself against her trying to accuse me after the fact of taking advantage of HER....
                    That's easy. Stay away. I strongly recommend you discontinue contact with this woman.

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                    • #11
                      first, i don't think it's something wrong with you that you couldn't keep it up. best guess is her actions dampened the mood. someone crazy and high? I doubt many decent people could get it up then either.

                      Second, she's pretty clearly crazy. not sure exactly what mental illness, but she is clearly not sane. Sure, the bitching about the bed could simply have been surprise. but the rest? crazy or asshole.

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                      • #12
                        I remember the thread you posted before. Seriously - STAY AWAY FROM HER! Nothing but trouble can happen if you have anything to do with her. If you need to loose it that badly, fly to Nevada and go to the Mustang ranch. I can say, considering the other thread, that would be more rewarding than hooking up with her.
                        "Life is tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid" Redd Foxx as Al Royal - The Royal Family - Pilot Episode - 1991.

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                        • #13
                          I tend to agree with pretty much everything (except the flying to Nevada part.) I have decided what happened shows I'm really NOT ready. I need to have a clearer head and more of a reason than I just want to lose it. Plus, there are morality issues I was struggling with before, I just ignored them because I wanted to find out what sex was like so badly. BIG mistake. Now I know more than I did before, but not in the way I wanted to. Enough to know that I can wait now with a clearer head than before, so that, at least, is good. Once I find her phone (she lost it somewhere over here or in my car) and return it, that's it. No more seeing her alone, and only in groups if I have to to see other people. I may keep in touch with her over Facebook and encourage her to get help as much as I can, but that's it. MAJOR boundaries going up--we're talking Berlin Wall big. I truly hope she gets help, but I realize there is literally nothing else I can do to provide it but stand back and LET her hit rock bottom. Maybe then, she'll finally be ready to get some serious help--I doubt she will without that.

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                          • #14
                            I have a strong feeling that what you want to experience is making love, not just the act of two bodies f***ing. As I'm sure anyone on these boards who is or has been sexually active can tell you, they really are two very different things.

                            So, my advice to you is:
                            1) Cut this person completely out of your life.
                            2) Wait until you are in a mutually loving relationship before becoming intimate.

                            #2 doesn't have to meen that you're married, but it absolutely means that you don't jump in the sack the day you decide to be a couple.

                            If you want a solid relationship with someone who shares your Christian values, there are relationship websites geared specifically towards that. Then, there's the old-stand-by: meeting a mate at church.

                            Best of luck to you and God bless you.
                            Don't wanna; not gonna.

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                            • #15
                              Everybody else said the right things here. I just want to say that I respect you enormously for not wanting to take advantage of someone who was drunk or high.

                              I wouldn't even contact this woman on facebook. She's major bad news.
                              When you start at zero, everything's progress.

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