Future cops

[underemployeed]

i have friend in the police academy. they now have a well known guy because he loaded all the shells into the shotgun backwards and wondered why it wouldn't fire. i guess the instructor said well you dropped something over there. So the cadet went looking for it on the firing line and said he didn't see anything. Instructor said something along the lines of "Really? Could have swore your brain fell out."

Haha but my friend did well as i have taught him how to shoot because I live in middle of nowhere and can fire off as many guns as I want.

[pitmonkey]

Was at the gun range the other day when one of the range masters were cleaning up one bank of lanes. She came out with chunks of wood. there were about 30 pieces she said, all from the ceiling. There had been a group of armored car people qualifying earlier in the day. One group finished quick, the other the instructor had to get more ammo to get them qualified. The only way I could think of this happening is lake of trigger control, not having finger on trigger before target in sights.

[Salted Grump]

I've come to the conclusion that if you show a person a gun, there's a flat 50% chance they'll do something that'll put them, or someone close to them, in the hospital, or in the ground.

Who here can remember the Five Basic Rules of firearm safety? I know I can.

[Jack]

I can, and I haven't even owned a firearm yet. :|

[underemployeed]

Was at the gun range the other day when one of the range masters were cleaning up one bank of lanes. She came out with chunks of wood. there were about 30 pieces she said, all from the ceiling. There had been a group of armored car people qualifying earlier in the day. One group finished quick, the other the instructor had to get more ammo to get them qualified. The only way I could think of this happening is lake of trigger control, not having finger on trigger before target in sights.

Actually the bold part is a no-no, I think you worded it wrong. Your finger should be over the trigger guard until your intended target is identified, confirmed, and you are SURE you want a bullet to go there and it is safe to put a bullet in that direction. Applies to both paper targets and bad guys because you don't want to accidentally put a bullet into someone or something innocent or irreplaceable.
Let me repeat.
NEVER put your finger on the actual trigger unless in the process of firing the gun. Having it over the guard lowers odds of it accidentally on purpose going off.


@Salted Grump,
Lol maybe it would be beneficial to post those or would that be more for fratching? I know my desire to teach gun safety to everyone in school is as a kid is. Is one of the five, "I don't care you checked to see if it was loaded and it wasn't, treat it like its loaded at all times, less you have it physically apart"? I banned a guy from my house for that one, because Yeah the gun was unloaded when he pulled the slide back and there was no bullet in the chamber, except he ignored loaded magazine in the gun.

@Jack
Good for you, lol but of course have you shot one? Just because you haven't owned one doesn't mean you can't occasionally use one. I also had someone complain about me giving them a safety lesson because they weren't going to own a gun..... They were at my house to go shooting in my field and thought I was wasting daylight!

[RayvenQ]

Wai..Whaaa, I've never even been near a real gun let alone touched one yet I'm pretty sure I know which way a shotgun shell would go in (Shiny end last )

I've come to the conclusion that if you show a person a gun, there's a flat 50% chance they'll do something that'll put them, or someone close to them, in the hospital, or in the ground.

Who here can remember the Five Basic Rules of firearm safety? I know I can.

Don't point at something you aren't willing to destroy
keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot
keep the weapon unloaded until you are ready to shoot
and always treta a gun as if it is loaded even if you know it isn't

Then again, the killing houses of Swat 4 and some of the Rainbow 6 games were all my education in those

[Salted Grump]

<Snip> I know my desire to teach gun safety to everyone in school is as a kid is. Is one of the five, "I don't care you checked to see if it was loaded and it wasn't, treat it like its loaded at all times, less you have it physically apart"? <Snip>

The Five Rules, as I was taught them (thanks dad) are as follows.

1. Assume every firearm is loaded.
2. Control the muzzle direction at all times. (this includes making sure that there's Nothing behind the target. Too many people forget that part.)
3. Trigger finger off trigger and out of trigger guard. (Corrolary; when walking through heavy brush, keep your hand over the trigger guard to prevent snags)
4. See that the firearm is unloaded. PROVE it safe.

5. Assume that Nobody Else has Done it right and re-check for yourself when a gun is handed over to you.

Edit: The first 4 rules are actually part of the Canadian Firearm Safety Course that all Hunters are required to take before they can get a PAL. (Posession and Aquisition License)

As for how my dad taught me firearm safety? He took his .270 rifle, shot a groundhog with it and told me to find most of the pieces when I was 6. Learned fast to respect guns.

[pitmonkey]

Salted Grump, that is what I meant. That is a rule that is drummed into your brain with any place of shooting. But you still find people holding a gun with their finger on the trigger and/or not checking the chamber.

[elsporko]

Who here can remember the Five Basic Rules of firearm safety? I know I can.

I do not aim with my hand;
He who aims with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
I aim with my eye.

I do not shoot with my hand;
He who shoots with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
I shoot with my mind.

I do not kill with my gun;
He who kills with his gun has forgotten the face of his father.
I kill with my heart.

[El Pollo Guerrera]

i have friend in the police academy. they now have a well known guy because he loaded all the shells into the shotgun backwards and wondered why it wouldn't fire. i guess the instructor said well you dropped something over there. So the cadet went looking for it on the firing line and said he didn't see anything. Instructor said something along the lines of "Really? Could have swore your brain fell out."

"Hey! Look! Someone wrote the word 'gullible' on the ceiling!"

[Magpie]

"Hey! Look! Someone wrote the word 'gullible' on the ceiling!"

http://xkcd.com/542/

[Jack]

@Jack
Good for you, lol but of course have you shot one? Just because you haven't owned one doesn't mean you can't occasionally use one. I also had someone complain about me giving them a safety lesson because they weren't going to own a gun..... They were at my house to go shooting in my field and thought I was wasting daylight!

Ha, yes. :P What I mean to say is that, while I had firearm training in the Navy, and my prior interest in weapons led me to educate myself on safety protocols, I've never owned one myself, making it odd and, if I may say, admirable, that I would know these things that people who actually own firearms often don't. I hope you refused to let them shoot if they weren't going to listen to you.

BTW, the rules I've learned, at least as I recall them:

1. All guns are always loaded [That is, treat them all as if they were, even if you "know" they aren't]
2. Never point a gun at anything you aren't willing to destroy.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until you have identified and sighted your target.
4. Always verify your target and what lies beyond it.
5. Never provide firearms to incompetent or negligent people.

These are likely paraphrased from what I originally read them as. I think the first four are Jeff Cooper's or something, and the fifth? Unsure. Every list of gun safety rules that I've read follows these lines in any case.

[wolfie]

The rules of gun safety are written in blood. As one person in the "audience quips" section of "Real People" (TV show back in the late '70s/early '80s) said, "Too many people are killed by guns that aren't loaded and people who are".

A few examples I read about in Mike Royko (newspaperman who's been dead for many years) columns:

Guy trying to impress people sticks his pistol down the front of his pants (no proper holster) after showing it off. He's now singing soprano.

Guy sees something moving in his bedroom at night, shoots at it without first getting positive ID. The nurses in the ER get a few giggles about "Mr. Richard Johnson" being shot in the head.

Guy keeps a pistol on the bedside table, loses an ear when the phone rings in the middle of the night.