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  • Loss Prevention Lunacy

    I'm not sure where this should go, but this seems like the best place. The floorwalkers and security guards aren't co-workers - they're hired from outside companies.

    Background:
    We have 2 sets of doors that open onto the mall parking lot (one is the main entrance, the other is by our Starbucks), and a set of doors that go into the mall. We only ever have one loss prevention person (floorwalker) working at a time, and we don't always have one working. We also have 'security guards' hired from Security Company. On nights the mall closes at 6pm, we only have one 'security guard' working; when the mall is open late, we have 2. The floorwalker is on the sales floor, so the guards are stationed at the doors - problem is there's more sets of doors than guards. S_______ is too cheap to pay for extra floorwalkers or guards, so the smart professional thieves, and the lucky opportunists, usually get away, sometimes with their loot, sometimes not. Sometimes we get their licence number, sometimes not. 'K, on to my tales...


    Tell me, what qualifications do you have?

    Saturday, floorwalker caught a female shoplifter with a stack of meat. He put her in the file room and asked M, the tiniest cashier, to watch her. WTF was he thinking?? M is 17, maybe 4 feet 10 inches, very slender, and doesn't look the least bit threatening. Of course shoplifter intimidated M by getting up really close and glaring at her, so M moved aside and let her go. I don't blame her - I'd be afraid of getting beaten up, too.

    While this was going on, floorwalker came to my till and asked if I could 'put the register in training to ring up the meat' so he could have a record of it. I told him that I don't know how to do that, and even if I did, it wouldn't be allowed - theft ringup has to be done by management or customer service. Apparently he went to 2 or 3 other cashiers (all newer, BTW), and they had no clue what he was talking about. He got pissed at all of them. Again, WTF? I told him who had to ring it up.

    When he found out shoplifter was taking off, he ran after her, but she got into a waiting car (male driver and two kids in it!) and they were gone. He did get the licence number at least.

    Of course he was pissed at M and blaming her, but even SM said floorwalker was stupid to put her in there. He should've got 2 bigger women to do it - much less chance of intimidation. I wonder who'd be liable, and for what, if M had got injured?

    I'm hoping floorwalker will get a reprimand for this. He may even end up looking for another job. Can't wait to find out...



    I may have stopped a theft, but then again maybe not

    This morning. 'Security guards' don't come in until 2pm. After I finished with customers, I was standing out in front of my till like we're supposed to. I saw a woman with 5 or 6 big value packs of meat in her arms, just standing at the end of an aisle across from the Starbucks exit to the parking lot. I was immediately suspicious - why wouldn't she have a basket for all that meat, and why was she standing right there? She saw me looking at her, so went to the display bin of lotion beside the aisle end, opened one and smelled it, still with the meat cradled in her arms.

    I was about to go over and ask if she needed any help finding anything, but I got a customer right then (the till I was on faced away from suspected shoplifter), so while I was ringing her through, I called the SM's office and asked him if we had a floorwalker on duty. No, why? I told him what I suspected, so he asked for a description and said he'd go look for her. My customer was over that!

    SM came to my till after and said he never saw the suspected shoplifter, but he did see a guy in the meat dept putting back a lot of value packs. So I wonder... were they together? Was he a decoy so she could get away? Were they afraid to steal after I spotted her? Was I suspicious over nothing?

    S______ really needs to put out more money and have either decent loss prevention or security guards working all day! Thefts don't just occur after 2pm for crying out loud! And I'm sure the cost would be worth it in theft prevention.
    It's like I'm wearing Eau de Moron and all of the idiots and assholes are attracted to me... -JuniorMintz

  • #2
    Wouldn't it be better & a whole lot SAFER to just let a shoplifter run out the store than to try to run after them? You never know if they're carrying a weapon that they can use against you.
    Most stores can just use it as a tax write off for the loss. NOT one thing in the store is that valuable that you risk your life trying to get it back.
    Just write down the license plate number of the car that they drive off in & let the police handle it.
    NOBODY in retail is paid enough to go chasing after a shop lifter. That's what the cops are for.
    I'm not saying you shouldn't try to stop them BUT when it comes to your safety I'd rather let them go their merry way. Don't worry...they'll be back...sooner or later...& that's when you grab em...lol.
    Last edited by Bright_Star; 08-13-2007, 11:40 AM.

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    • #3
      At my store you have to be 18 years old to participate in a chase, and only when specifically asked to assist by LP. And I'm pretty sure you have to be 18 to be a witness in the LP room with a shoplifter. So putting M in the same room alone with a burly shoplifter is dur hur hur based on that alone.

      Had the shoplifter roughed up M in her attempt to get away, I bet the parents would go after the security company and probably the store too. Deep pockets, you know. If I were management I'd be fast-tracking the sacking of that floorwalker.

      When, and if, we do chase shoplifters, we're instructed to back off if the shoplifter produces a weapon and then just take down the license plate number if they flee in a car. There have been times when a fleeing shoplifter had no weapons other than his/her fists, so that has lead to some pretty physical confrontations--one time one of our managers slammed a guy's face into the curb tackling him. Manager was a guy not to mess with, and the shoplifter had been stealing video games and was a guy LP was itching to catch.
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      • #4
        Maybe my explanation of things was kinda confusing...

        We, the employees, are NOT to ever chase or try to apprehend shoplifters. And we never do. That's the job of the floorwalkers and security guards.

        Trouble is, they're hardly ever at the store, or in the right place when something happens.

        I just thought I'd go 'be a friendly, helpful employee' to the suspected shoplifter I saw, I never thought about a possible weapon. Maybe it's a good thing I got a customer right then. Might have saved me an injury!
        It's like I'm wearing Eau de Moron and all of the idiots and assholes are attracted to me... -JuniorMintz

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        • #5
          In the current sue happy culture we have now businesses are happier to let a shop lifter get away with a small loot that can be written off as insurance than deal with a law suit from them after being injured being caught. shop lifters know this and are starting to not even bother about being discreet about it.
          Honestly you will never be thanked for catching one. I stopped a girl with 3 blood pressure monitors costing £50 each and my area manager complained about all the paper work he would have to do and how it was so annoying to have to call the police.

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          • #6
            That's pretty silly of her. Because word will get out (if it hasn't already) that your store doesn't bother with punishing thieves, and will lead to the store losing out.

            To the OP: If something looks odd to me, it usually is. That meat carrying woman would have struck me as very odd as well. Sounds like your Suck-Radar(tm) was tweaking on her.
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            • #7
              Wait a minute.

              Quoth Zinjadu View Post

              Saturday, floorwalker caught a female shoplifter with a stack of meat.

              snip

              This morning.

              snip

              I saw a woman with 5 or 6 big value packs of meat in her arms,
              Is there some kind of shoplifter barbeque going on where you live?
              Last edited by lumlite; 08-14-2007, 09:01 PM. Reason: Quoting oppsie pt.2 electric boogaloo

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              • #8
                *Insert purient comments about 'the naughty ladies' and 'large amounts of meat'*

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                • #9
                  Quoth lumlite View Post
                  Is there some kind of shoplifter barbeque going on where you live?
                  Apparently meat is one of the best resell items for thieves.

                  Along with batteries, disposable cameras, razors and razor blades.

                  This is what we were told by Corporate, anyway.
                  It's like I'm wearing Eau de Moron and all of the idiots and assholes are attracted to me... -JuniorMintz

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                  • #10
                    Quoth Zinjadu View Post
                    Apparently meat is one of the best resell items for thieves.
                    Um, how? Anyone care to enlighten me?

                    With our shoplifted items, most are for pretty much personal gain.

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                    • #11
                      Meat is a HUGE theift item in any store that sells it. In vancouver there is a cheap meat market that will accept meat from any source no questions asked (as long as it's in retail packaging of course) and give you some money for it.

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                      • #12
                        Quoth Raieth View Post
                        Meat is a HUGE theift item in any store that sells it. In vancouver there is a cheap meat market that will accept meat from any source no questions asked (as long as it's in retail packaging of course) and give you some money for it.
                        Oh, you mean a disreputable meat-based pawn-shop? Heh.
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