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  • Anorexic Bulemic in Jail

    Shalom's comment in "It's not a narcotic" reminded me of this story of an anorexic bulemic inmate I had when I was a nurse in a county jail. She was a challenge to deal with, as she was bound and determined to have her own way no matter what.

    She'd been convicted of embezzlement and fraud and had tried to get the judge to sentence her to serve her time in a treatment center for eating disorders in Baltimore (about a 2 hour drive away).

    The judge flat out refused, and made it specific in his sentencing order that she could NOT serve ANY time in a hospital.

    I remember having a conversation with the doctor about this gal. The warden had made it clear he did not want this chick going to the hospital. Both the warden and the doc were worried she'd go on a hunger strike until she got hospitalized, and she in fact threatened to do this. We couldn't legally force feed her in the jail.

    So I asked the doc, "Is she eligible for work release?" Work release is a cherished privilege: you go to your job during the day and are locked in only on your days off and evenings. But it is a privilege that can be taken away.

    Doc was confused. "What does that have to do with anything?"

    Me: Simple. Tie her work release to weight gain. She doesn't gain weight, she doesn't work. You just tell me how much you want her to weigh. We can also tie it to her yard, library, and commissary privileges.

    Well, we tried it, and it didn't work . . . at first. She continued to lose weight, and at first rejected her privileges. Turned out she had to serve some straight time before she could get work release. Doc got very worried, she was on the verge of being back in the hospital for real. She was determined to force us to transfer her to the eating disorder hospital, and thought if she continued to lose weight we'd have no choice, judge or no judge.

    Worse, she was stealing food from other inmates, eating it, and purging it. She was millimeters away from the beat down of a life time.

    So I called her to Medical and had a sit down with her.

    Me: This isn't going to work. The judge has been real clear. You CANNOT go to the eating hospital. It WILL NOT HAPPEN. If you keep pushing this, you'll end up in the local hospital with a tube down your throat force feeding you.

    Inmate: I don't care. I'll be out of here.

    Me: but your time will stop while you are in the hospital. You still have to serve out your time. And once you serve so much, at least you get work release. Work with me on this. We just want to maintain a healthy weight long enough for you to finish your time. Then, when you get out, you can go to the eating disorder hospital and really work on your issues.

    Inmate reluctantly agreed. She was really starting to want her work release.

    So I called the doc and said, "Order a calorie count. We'll set a caloric intake she has to meet every day, along with a pattern of weight gain. If she meets it, we'll let the warden know she can have work release, yard, and library."

    Doc: How will you do a calorie count on the block? I don't want to put her in Medical for this. [neither did I: didn't have an open ward, but 8 individual cells with 23 hour lock down. No one wanted to be in Medical] How will you keep her from purging after she eats?

    Me: I'll post a log in the block. The officers will pull her out of the block and put her in a chair by the floor officer's desk during the meal. To meet our requirements, she has to finish her tray within 30 minutes. Then she has to spend another thirty minutes after that at the officer's desk. Food usually is out of the stomach in 20 minutes. That ought to reduce the impact of purging. The officers will keep track of what she eats in percentages. I can figure out the calories from there.

    Doc: The officers will hate you, Panacea. But it is a good idea. I'll talk to the warden.

    He was right; the officers did hate me But it worked. She put on weight and got work release.

    Then she started losing weight again. I had to have another sitdown with her.

    Me: You are losing weight again. The other inmates tell me you are spending your whole yard time jogging. That must stop.

    Inmate: I'm fat. I have to get the weight off.

    Me: Don't give me that. You know you are sick, and that your perception of your weight is not trustworthy. You must gain weight. I'm asking the warden to suspend your yard until you put the weight back on. If you keep losing, I'll ask him to pull your work release.

    Inmate: You can't do that! I earned work release. The judge said I could have it.

    Me: Only so long as you abide by institutional rules. It is a privilege, not a right. Don't test me on this. I will do it.

    She complied, grudgingly. She was still stick thin when she finally go paroled, but at least she didn't look like a concentration camp survivor (no disrespect intended to survivors of the Holocaust).

    It was one of the most challenging, but satisfying, patient care plans I'd ever done as a nurse.
    They say that God only gives us what we can handle. Apparently, God thinks I'm a bad ass.

  • #2
    Nicely done, Panacea. I hope to develop the patience to deal with patients like that...as of now, psych is not my strong suit.

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    • #3
      That is very nicely done. :3 You kept her stable long enough to get through her time.

      I have a friend who's bulimic and possibly anorexic. She knows she's sick and she can tell other people that an eating disorder is bad, but when it comes to herself, she's "not that bad" and "too fat anyway." She's skinny as a rail. She's starting to -look- unhealthy, and her therapist wants to put her into an eating disorder unit. But she's not quite bad enough to have her go involuntarily.
      "And so all the night-tide, I lie down by the side of my darling, my darling, my life and my bride!"
      "Hallo elskan min/Trui ekki hvad timinn lidur"
      Amayis is my wifey

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      • #4
        Can I borrow that not-eating disorder for a while? Maybe just a few months, tops, then I'll give it back. Honest.

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        • #5
          On topic...
          *sigh*
          she might have been doing in part to gtfo of jail... but ... some of it I'm sure wasn't. It's tough when issues are tied up with medical conditions, personality and conscious, chosen unpleasantness. (ie people can be unpleasant because of a mental thing, or a physical thing insofar as any of that can be divided... or they can simply choose to be dicks or whatever.)
          Off topic a bit...
          I judge myself 'need to lose weight' because I'm edging up to the upper healthy limits of my BMI, which, yeah not the best yardstick, but it's solid numbers... and I have fat in unattractive places which I want to get rid of! (Belly, upper hips, thighs) and I'm not physically fit.
          Thus, I'd like to lose weight, and am currently working on it thru the calorie angle, 'cuz it's too hot to even think of moving more than strictly needed and I've had gastrointestinal issues that are clearing up YAY. (Yes I'm eating ~1400 a day, thnx) /tmi
          "Is it the lie that keeps you sane? Is this the lie that keeps you sane?What is it?Can it be?Ought it to exist?"
          "...and may it be that I cleave to the ugly truth, rather than the beautiful lie..."

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          • #6
            Great job =)

            I have the reverse 'problem' except I do not consider it a problem.

            I am fat, as in 300 pounds fat. at 5'5, down from 5'7 [yay thanks orthopedic issues ]

            Oddly enough, I do not see myself as lolloping fat as I know I am unless I see myself in a mirror. I mentally see myself at probably 1x instead of 3x. I know full well what size clothing I wear, but I just don't see myself as fat as I actually am. I suppose it is good, because I just stay on what my nutritionist has me with, and try to do what little PT i can do without a pool handy until I can get the 6 month reset to 18 more session of aquaPT.

            Put me down as one who is very glad that there were no food fight issues with my parents or nanny while very young, and grew up with a good self image! Reading about so many people who do have food issues and body image issues makes me *very* thankful!
            EVE Online: 99% of the time you sit around waiting for something to happen, but that 1% of action is what hooks people like crack, you don't get interviewed by the BBC for a WoW raid.

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            • #7
              Oh, believe me - both food and body image issues here.
              Seshat's self-help guide:
              1. Would you rather be right, or get the result you want?
              2. If you're consistently getting results you don't want, change what you do.
              3. Deal with the situation you have now, however it occurred.
              4. Accept the consequences of your decisions.

              "All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools." - Anders, Dragon Age.

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              • #8
                Quoth teh_blumchenkinder View Post
                (Yes I'm eating ~1400 a day, thnx) /tmi
                I've been doing this myself, and its actually working surprisingly well.

                Your basal metabolic rate eats up the lion's share of your energy budget, meaning you use almost the same amount of energy sitting around as you do exercising. Exercising actually uses up shockingly small amounts of energy unless it is extremely high intensity or for long durations.

                Thus, just by eating slightly less than your BMR, you gradually lose weight without having to hit the gym...at all! So backsliding is very hard to do.

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                • #9
                  Oh, it's supremely easy to backslide! it's called eating out!
                  Nah, eating out you just have to be vigilant, moreso than if you have a stable of snacks/small meals already sussed out at home...
                  but damn if I want that piece of Ultra-Volcano-Brownie with ice cream! (like, 1k cals)
                  Back the original post...
                  Panacea, do you have any more "I done good!" stories? That one... it was like playing chess, or dealing with a particularly intelligent older child.
                  "Is it the lie that keeps you sane? Is this the lie that keeps you sane?What is it?Can it be?Ought it to exist?"
                  "...and may it be that I cleave to the ugly truth, rather than the beautiful lie..."

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                  • #10
                    BTW: in case it's helpful, here are the tricks I use to cope with my body image issues & eating disorders.

                    * I KNOW that I'm an unreliable judge, so I clothes-shop with Anna (who is an excellent judge of what fits me, and while we have wildly different style preferences, has chosen to learn mine).

                    * I KNOW I'm an unreliable judge, so I use changes in the fit of (non-stretch) clothing to assess whether I'm changing shape, and if so, how.

                    * I (ditto), so I rely on Anna and Dancer and my doctor to tell me if I need to change shape, and if so, how. Gain muscle, stable muscle, (lose muscle?), gain fat, stable fat, lose fat...

                    * (ditto), so I let Anna recommend portion sizes, and have had her train me in estimating portion sizes.

                    * (ditto), so regardless of who cooks, A or D are at least present when serving, and suggest portion sizes.

                    * My doctor weighs me every visit, but I NEVER let him give me numbers. Instead, he can tell me if my progress is trending towards healthy or not. I dare not know much more: I know I'll obsess.

                    What I AM reliable about is ratios of non-treat type foods. Excluding 'sweets' and other treat foods, I can produce a good nutritional balance. Left to myself, however, I would still eat too many 'comfort' foods.

                    As for all the rest... I'm watching what they advise and recommend, and gradually retraining myself. I'm also learning 'full' and 'hungry' signals, though that's still difficult for me to recognise.

                    Yes, a LOT of that is reliant on Dancer and Anna, and I'm incredibly, incredibly lucky to have them. I cannot imagine doing without them, to be brutally honest.

                    But if those tricks help anyone (even our assorted nurses: maybe they can help your patients!), good!
                    Seshat's self-help guide:
                    1. Would you rather be right, or get the result you want?
                    2. If you're consistently getting results you don't want, change what you do.
                    3. Deal with the situation you have now, however it occurred.
                    4. Accept the consequences of your decisions.

                    "All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools." - Anders, Dragon Age.

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                    • #11
                      Those sound like pretty good tricks to me, actually. You accept that your judgment in this matter is not reliable, and have a support mechanism to help you cope effectively.

                      Ideally, therapy would help you change your self image to where you are viewing yourself realistically, but that is a long involved process and some folks never get there. But if you have other plans in place, that's OK.
                      They say that God only gives us what we can handle. Apparently, God thinks I'm a bad ass.

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                      • #12
                        I freely admit I look at photos on the internet and say to myself "I want that."
                        I make sure they aren't photoshopped, however. I know many of them require lots and lots of hours and days and weeks-- and years to get amazing abs and backs and arms... but I also try to find pictures of actual people when they are exercising. The endless variation in the human form is really cool to me, and helps me 'round out' some of my own skewed ideas. Granted, they aren't hopelessly skewed...
                        for example: for the longest time I thought the tip of my nose stuck up. I'd push it down constantly and everything. I have since given up on such endeavors, having seen noses of all types and recognized that my particular uptilt is either 1) adorable or 2) not even noticeable by anyone but me! Yay! (Now I need to do that for my rear, my legs, my toes )
                        I have developed my eye for 'real' pictures and sites.
                        If my body came with lumps and such for other reasons... such as what Plaidman had (i don't recall what it was, sadly)... I'd resort to what Seshat does, referencing others in my life that know my body as well as I do, and how I think.
                        (Speaking of which... Imma gonna put up a photo or two of me on the CS photo album! Then y'all can see how very different I can look... Should be up tonight... if the album's fix'd.)
                        "Is it the lie that keeps you sane? Is this the lie that keeps you sane?What is it?Can it be?Ought it to exist?"
                        "...and may it be that I cleave to the ugly truth, rather than the beautiful lie..."

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                        • #13
                          Quoth Panacea View Post
                          Those sound like pretty good tricks to me, actually. You accept that your judgment in this matter is not reliable, and have a support mechanism to help you cope effectively.

                          Ideally, therapy would help you change your self image to where you are viewing yourself realistically, but that is a long involved process and some folks never get there. But if you have other plans in place, that's OK.
                          Body image is in my to-do list with my therapist. We have other issues we're dealing with first, but it's on the list.

                          Actually, the habit I've developed of saying 'moving towards a healthy weight for my body type' (or 'your body type') and so on, rather than 'losing weight', is another of my tricks.
                          It helps reduce the risk that I'll keep losing weight beyond the 'healthy' bracket, because it helps me focus on the fact that the goal is a healthy ratio of body fat/other tissues: not 'losing weight' regardless of what's healthy.
                          It also repeats in my brain that people have different body types. Including me. That I'll never look like Natalie Portman (much less Twiggy!), but that if I look like Mae West, that's absolutely FINE.

                          Speaking of moving towards a healthy weight:
                          I went to the doctor today. Usual set of 'keeping on track' information, some progress towards handling PCOS symptoms, new depression med to try.

                          And one of the nurses did my blood pressure/weight/waist measurement checks. The only one I saw the numbers for was the blood pressure, but according to Anna and the nurse, I'm at the best I've been for all three since we started seeing this doctor!!
                          Seshat's self-help guide:
                          1. Would you rather be right, or get the result you want?
                          2. If you're consistently getting results you don't want, change what you do.
                          3. Deal with the situation you have now, however it occurred.
                          4. Accept the consequences of your decisions.

                          "All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools." - Anders, Dragon Age.

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