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  • Antibiotic musical chairs

    To preface this, I'm already planning going to the Dr today, just wanting to vent a little.

    On the 24th I went in to see a dr for a UTI. My side hurt bad enough that slight bumps in the road while driving sucked. They put me on Nitrofurantoin and I went on my merry way. I take Prilosec for heartburn that manifests as upset stomachs and occasional breathing problems and I had to stop taking that temporarily but it's usually not a big deal. I also noticed the evening dose of antibiotics always made me loopy and somewhat sleepy but the symptoms were going away so it's all good.

    On the 26th when the cultures got back I received a call. What I had was resistant to the 1st drug and I instead needed to be on Bactrim because the original stuff wouldn't have any effect on the UTI. The Bactrim didn't make me loopy though it seemed to have more of a long term effect of making me feel worn out but that might have been partly from being tired of having a UTI. I could now take my Prilosec but only if I waited at least an hour after taking the Bactrim which I could never remember. Because of this I get to enjoy occasional upset stomach but it's not a huge issue and so long as this fixes the UTI right? Well I very slowly start noticing that my symptoms are coming back. At least the side pain isn't there this time but still. The morning of the 31st I take my last dose and while nothing is unbearable and it's not disrupting my day, there are still some light symptoms. Awesome.

    After work on the 31st I go to see a dr again and have a second culture done. I didn't like the guy all that much but he wasn't mean and I think between the fact that I was a little frazzled from all this and the fact that he and I seemed to have different methods of communication. Definitely not his fault. He looks through the information and decides to put me on Cipro so I cross my fingers and start the new round of pills. These ones I have to wait 2 hours after for the Prilosec so I am still not taking that. I also have to avoid caffeine which has not been pleasant. On top of that both the lack of soda and the meds both seem to be giving me headaches. The lack of Prilosec and the meds both are giving me upset stomachs. I know how things usually feel so I know some instances were from the Cipro and not the other stuff. Plus this one makes me loopy and sleepy too but at this point I'm worn out from all this so it's no longer the silly loopy. On top of that, while my symptoms are slowly fading, they seem to be fading in how often they occur rather than the level of severity. I guess at least they are fading in some way though.

    Last night my calves were sore. It happens sometimes though usually only one at a time. This morning I wake up and they are still sore. It hasn't been getting better. The closest kind of soreness I've had is that it feels similar to Charley horse soreness like right after the huge pain passes. Now I'm prone to be a little bit of a hypochondriac sometimes and so sometimes I do get pains just because I'm worried about getting pains. Usually pretty minor though and after a bit I can usually tell what's real and what's not. Well I keep getting pain in spots like hips or knees or arms for maybe a minute and then it will go away. After a while I'll get it again in a new spot. Yay. Talked to the nurse at the dr office I had been going to and they said for me to come in today but since I answered no to whether my calves were red and felt hot to the touch, she didn't seem as worried.

    Really not looking forward to being put on another antibiotic. Much though my calves are super sore, if the dr decided I was fine to keep taking Cipro that would be so nice. And that's despite the fact that of all 3 drugs, this one has the crappiest side effects. This whole thing is wearing me out and I'm just ready to be better. I've had UTIs before and it's never been crappy like this ever. Planning on trying to leave work early after lunch and go in to see someone. Not looking forward to later today. I still have to finish cleaning the house for tomorrow while having about enough energy and enthusiasm to curl up under a blanket and watch tv.
    "Man, having a conversation with you is like walking through a salvador dali painting." - Mac Hall

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    *wince*

    Much sympathy, Shangri.

    Unfortunately, you're experiencing the result of people misusing antibiotics: resistant bacteria.

    There's a reason doctors have first-choice antibiotics - the second and third-choice antibiotics have unpleasant side effects. And you really don't want to have to be on the last-choice ones, I've heard some of them make chemotherapy look good.
    At any rate, you seem to have caught a resistant bug. All I can offer is sympathy, and the advice to stick with an antibiotic course until you've completed it: or if it isn't working or the side effects are a problem, discuss it with your doctor & switch to a different antibiotic.

    You probably already know this, but stopping the antibiotics before all the invading bacteria are killed will just leave the toughest and most resistant ones in your system, to breed and then infect someone else.


    Part of what's making you feel like crap is the toxins from your body killing the invaders. Your body is literally a battlefield right now; and like all battlefields, there's dead 'bodies' (bacteria and white blood cells) all over the place.
    Your liver and kidneys and lymphatic system are doing their best to clean up: you can help by providing plenty of fluids (water, soup, milk & tea are the best that I know of) and as much nutrition as your digestive system is willing to handle.


    Have your doctor or your pharmacist help you with advice on countering the side effects from your antibiotics: there may be stuff your pharmacist can suggest that your doctor wouldn't think of. It's part of their job to know this stuff.


    In the meantime, feel free to whine here. My brother fell prey to a superbug a few years ago, and had to spend time in the infectious diseases unit, in isolation. Mum and Dad and my sister-in-law could only be with him if they wore isolation suits, his kids had to see him through a window.
    If it'd been a tougher bug, even the adults would've been 'window-only'.

    Um. Just telling you about my brother to say 'at least some of us understand what you're going through'. I guess I said it kind of clumsily. Oh well.

    Look after yourself.
    Seshat's self-help guide:
    1. Would you rather be right, or get the result you want?
    2. If you're consistently getting results you don't want, change what you do.
    3. Deal with the situation you have now, however it occurred.
    4. Accept the consequences of your decisions.

    "All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools." - Anders, Dragon Age.

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    • #3
      Quoth Seshat View Post
      There's a reason doctors have first-choice antibiotics
      This is part of why I'm hoping to be able to stay on Cipro but I'm definitely nervous enough to go see the dr today just in case to make sure he's not worried about the side effects. Apparently Cipro can have some nasty tendon side effects including rupturing and if this is a warning sign, I don't want to ignore it. If it's not a risk though, I'd deal with sore legs and all just to be done with all of this sooner!

      Quoth Seshat View Post
      You probably already know this, but stopping the antibiotics before all the invading bacteria are killed will just leave the toughest and most resistant ones in your system, to breed and then infect someone else.
      Yeah, someone in our office has had MRSA once or twice so I've definitely heard about it though can't remember if before then I was good about finishing the antibiotics or not.

      Quoth Seshat View Post
      Um. Just telling you about my brother to say 'at least some of us understand what you're going through'. I guess I said it kind of clumsily. Oh well.
      I got what you meant That had to have sucked for your brother. I'm definitely very lucky in that what I have isn't something that I can accidentally give to a coworker. It means I don't have to take any sick days if I don't want to. On an optimistic note, while my calves are still sore as hell, they are afterwards type sore. Not looking forward to cleaning tonight and tomorrow morning though. My roommate has a party and not only is it my own fault that I put off tidying up my stuff but I really really owe him so there is no avoiding it.
      "Man, having a conversation with you is like walking through a salvador dali painting." - Mac Hall

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      • #4
        Even though you do not have redness and swelling along with the sore calves, it could be a sign of blood clots, which are dangerous and need to be treated immediately.

        As to the antibiotics, I know how you feel, I have been put on multiple different antibiotics throughout my life, and it sucks because you have to do full courses of them.

        Good luck, and I hope you feel better soon.
        Remember, stressed spelled backwards is desserts.

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        • #5
          Quoth Shangri-laschild View Post
          This is part of why I'm hoping to be able to stay on Cipro but I'm definitely nervous enough to go see the dr today just in case to make sure he's not worried about the side effects. Apparently Cipro can have some nasty tendon side effects including rupturing and if this is a warning sign, I don't want to ignore it. If it's not a risk though, I'd deal with sore legs and all just to be done with all of this sooner!
          Fluroquinolones like Cipro can have as an adverse reaction, rhabdomylosis, a breakdown of muscle tissue. It's very serious, so please do see the doctor today!

          The reason the nurse asked about if your leg was red or swollen is probably because she was thinking DVT. Possible, but probably not due to the Cipro. I'm sure your doc will check when he sees you to be sure.

          Please let us know what happens!
          They say that God only gives us what we can handle. Apparently, God thinks I'm a bad ass.

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          • #6
            I saw the dr after work. He thinks I may have been having an allergic reaction and told me to stop the cipro. He also didn't put me on anything new either and wants me to take a week to get everything out of my system and then have me get another culture taken to make sure the uti is gone. Last night I noticed some uti symptoms before I took my evening dose but tonight I've noticed nothing so maybe it's all good. Now I'm just waiting for my legs to feel better. Also If they get any worse I'll go back in.
            "Man, having a conversation with you is like walking through a salvador dali painting." - Mac Hall

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            • #7
              Quoth Shangri-laschild View Post
              I saw the dr after work. He thinks I may have been having an allergic reaction and told me to stop the cipro. He also didn't put me on anything new either and wants me to take a week to get everything out of my system and then have me get another culture taken to make sure the uti is gone.
              I know frm personal experience with kidney infections, cipro works quick and sticks around a bit longer than most antibiotics(I'm normally only on it for 3 days to clear a kidney infection), though I do have to take MASSIVE amounts of probiotics to prevent c. diff infection, which I would not wish on my worst enemy....
              Honestly.... the image of that in my head made me go "AWESOME!"..... and then I remembered I am terribly strange.-Red dazes

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              • #8
                For what it's worth, Cipro doesn't interact with Prevacid. If an antibiotic warns against using within two hours of taking antacids, it's referring to things like Tums, Mylanta etc., because these have calcium and/or magnesium in them, which can chelate (bind up) the antibiotic and prevent its being absorbed into the bloodstream. Since most people aren't chemistry majors, though, telling them to avoid divalent cations won't be of much use to them, so they say antacids because that's a word everyone knows.

                (Prevacid is not strictly speaking an antacid; it prevents acid from being created, but does nothing to neutralize acids already in the stomach, so it won't have an effect on the Cipro.)

                That having been said, though, unexplained muscle pain after any fluoroquinolone antibiotic needs to be checked out, as others before me have stated.

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                • #9
                  Quoth Shalom View Post
                  For what it's worth, Cipro doesn't interact with Prevacid.
                  I'm actually on Prilosec though from the sounds of it they are fairly similar. And both the dr and the pharmacist knew I was specifically talking about Prilosec.

                  Well for the most part the pain is gone though it seems like my muscles get sore quicker than usual. The other night just having my wallet in my back pocket made that side of my butt hurt after I had been sitting down for a while. I also seem to be more emotionally worn out. Things that normally might bug me a little are seeming to hit me a little harder as if I was PMSing even though I know I'm not. I figure it's just from being worn out though and am planning some projects that I know will make me feel productive and cheerful. It would appear that the UTI is gone though I'm still holding out for the culture before getting excited about this all being over.
                  "Man, having a conversation with you is like walking through a salvador dali painting." - Mac Hall

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                  • #10
                    Quoth Shangri-laschild View Post
                    I'm actually on Prilosec though from the sounds of it they are fairly similar. And both the dr and the pharmacist knew I was specifically talking about Prilosec.

                    Well for the most part the pain is gone though it seems like my muscles get sore quicker than usual. The other night just having my wallet in my back pocket made that side of my butt hurt after I had been sitting down for a while. I also seem to be more emotionally worn out. Things that normally might bug me a little are seeming to hit me a little harder as if I was PMSing even though I know I'm not. I figure it's just from being worn out though and am planning some projects that I know will make me feel productive and cheerful. It would appear that the UTI is gone though I'm still holding out for the culture before getting excited about this all being over.
                    Take it easy and rest for a few days. Follow up with your doc.

                    Prilosec and Prevacid are both proton pump inhibitors, so yes, they're similar
                    They say that God only gives us what we can handle. Apparently, God thinks I'm a bad ass.

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                    • #11
                      I was stupid last spring and decided I didn't want to take my antibiotics the entire two weeks because I didn't like the "no dairy" restrictions (I drink a half gallon of milk every 2 days and eat cheese and yogurt daily) on them. So I ended up with a sinus infection that went on much longer than it should have.

                      Unfortunately, I'm on the "Pill" (something that was left out of my notes, apparently) so the doc had to do some digging to find antibiotics that weren't obviously #1 normally prescribed.
                      You really need to see a neurologist. - Wagegoth

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                      • #12
                        Quoth Shangri-laschild View Post
                        Well for the most part the pain is gone though it seems like my muscles get sore quicker than usual. The other night just having my wallet in my back pocket made that side of my butt hurt after I had been sitting down for a while. I also seem to be more emotionally worn out. Things that normally might bug me a little are seeming to hit me a little harder as if I was PMSing even though I know I'm not. I figure it's just from being worn out though and am planning some projects that I know will make me feel productive and cheerful. It would appear that the UTI is gone though I'm still holding out for the culture before getting excited about this all being over.
                        My armchair, not-a-doctor diagnosis is physical stress. Your body's been through a lot, and needs recovery time.
                        Seshat's self-help guide:
                        1. Would you rather be right, or get the result you want?
                        2. If you're consistently getting results you don't want, change what you do.
                        3. Deal with the situation you have now, however it occurred.
                        4. Accept the consequences of your decisions.

                        "All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools." - Anders, Dragon Age.

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                        • #13
                          Quoth Seshat View Post
                          My armchair, not-a-doctor diagnosis is physical stress. Your body's been through a lot, and needs recovery time.
                          Yeah that's what I figured for the most part. I seem to be nearly all better. Still a little emotionally wobbly but figured out what seems to be helping and after I put together my Lego batcave and get started on a new string art project I suspect things will be much improved on that front. My calves are pretty much the only thing I'm still having trouble with but as of last night it was only the left one. Considering they have moments of being odd randomly anyway. So long as I don't get another charley horse, I'm fine and I've been looking into ways to get the muscles stronger. There seem to be no more UTI symptoms though I believe I'm now due for the new culture. I'm still slightly run down but the fact that I've never been very good about sleeping as often as I should probably hasn't helped. I seem to be mostly back to the level I'm usually at as far as low on sleep though (yeah I need to work on that too I know ). I think the only big thing that's been slowing things down is my cold. I don't have a full blown one, I tend to get colds that are minor but last longer. It's not slowing things down big time, just keeping me slightly slower at recovering.
                          Last edited by Shangri-laschild; 02-09-2012, 01:44 PM.
                          "Man, having a conversation with you is like walking through a salvador dali painting." - Mac Hall

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                          • #14
                            Quoth Shangri-laschild View Post
                            My calves are pretty much the only thing I'm still having trouble with but as of last night it was only the left one. Considering they have moments of being odd randomly anyway. So long as I don't get another charley horse, I'm fine and I've been looking into ways to get the muscles stronger.
                            Gentle stretches every day: just to the point where you feel the muscle being stretched, but it doesn't hurt. Hold the stretch for a minimum of a slow-count of ten, a maximum of 'as long as you can'.

                            Exercise the calves every second day, or twice/three times a week. The rest day is to give your body time to build new muscle cells.

                            There is a particular feeling muscles have when they're 'growing': for me, it is registered in my brain as a pain sensation. My best friend feels it as a pleasant warmth. So does her mother. Whatever type of sensation your brain tries to tell you it is, know intellectually that it's a GOOD thing. It's very difficult for humans to have 'too much' muscle to be healthy.

                            How to exercise the calves? Do anything which involves bending the joints the muscles are attached to. Knees and ankles, in this case. If it's safe to go walking where you are, go for walks. If the streets aren't safe, find a shopping mall or other safe public area and go for walks there.

                            Start with whatever leaves you feeling comfortable and interested in doing it again. Build up - as slowly as necessary - to 30mins/day of some sort of exercise, at a pace where you can still speak but not sing. This can be an average of 30 mins/day - so an hour one day, none the next is fine. And the reason for 'can speak but not sing' is that that's about the point where your heart and lungs are getting a decent workout too.

                            Remember that this is your ultimate goal; it's not where you should start.
                            Last edited by Seshat; 02-09-2012, 06:01 PM.
                            Seshat's self-help guide:
                            1. Would you rather be right, or get the result you want?
                            2. If you're consistently getting results you don't want, change what you do.
                            3. Deal with the situation you have now, however it occurred.
                            4. Accept the consequences of your decisions.

                            "All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools." - Anders, Dragon Age.

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                            • #15
                              A bit late, but chiming in on the sore calve issue.

                              I'm a bit deficient in potassium and magnesium, and I know that both can lead to issues with sore calves and charlie-horses.

                              It might be worth your time to get checked for one or both of those.

                              ^-.-^
                              Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

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