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  • Why I don't just "Fill all [their] refills".

    (This was initially written as a response to a thread on AnonDoc's blog.)

    I often got calls at the pharmacy from people who said, "Gimme all my refills."

    "Which ones?" "Duh, I dunno, all of them?"

    People have no idea what they're taking, they just want me to refill everything. Then we get calls back. "Why did you refill this? I'm not taking this anymore!" (Um, like we would know that if nobody thought to tell us.) Or conversely, "I'm missing that, why didn't you fill it?" (Maybe because you didn't have any refills on it. Or because you haven't gotten it in months and we had no idea you were still taking it. Or perhaps because you never got it from us to begin with.)

    I had one episode about 7 years back. I was working the overnight shift in what at the time was the busiest pharmacy in the state. Someone had called in wanting "all his refills". Rather than just faxing the whole list to the doctor for approval, I decided to look through them first to see what was what. There were a buncha blood pressure meds . . . and one vasopressor. [drug which increases blood pressure] (Can't remember which one at this point, maybe dobutamine or midodrine.)



    Going back through the patient's history to see what was up with that, I found it had initially been prescribed for a seven day period with no refills, then renewed by a doctor for 30 days... every month for the next three months. Meanwhile, some of his BP meds had been increased in dose over that three month period.

    I called the patient back and asked him if he knew why he was taking that particular med. He had no idea.

    I told him this drug was intended to *increase* blood pressure. Then he remembered that he'd had an episode of hypotension [abnormally low blood pressure], several months back, and this might have been given him to raise it back up. I told him that taking this together with beta blockers and other BP meds would have the same effect as putting an engine at both ends of a train and pulling in opposite directions, and maybe this is why his BP meds had needed to be increased so much.

    Then he wanted to know, if this was the case, why did we keep renewing it? Uhm, maybe because you kept calling in and telling us to? Following which, some overworked pharmacist on his way to filling a couple thousand scripts in a day hit the button to automagically send in the refill request, and some equally overworked doctor (or more likely, someone in his office) clicked on the Approve button, and nobody actually ever looked at the damn script to see if it was reasonable. And they did this for three months running.

    This is one reason why I now refuse to fill "all my refills". No sir/ma'am. You tell me which ones you need, and then I won't be getting yelled at for filling something you didn't want or aren't taking anymore.
    Last edited by Shalom; 03-08-2012, 09:24 PM. Reason: missing ]

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    *facepalms* It's not a lot of work to create an emergency binder with a list of meds currently being taken and why. I referred to that binder a lot for the MIL when I had to have her meds refilled! Saves everyone time and money.

    Not to mention that when it has notepaper in the back, it allowed us to take notes at the doc's office for updating and allowed us to work with multiple doctors, to show them what the other is doing and why.
    If I make no sense, I apologize. I'm constantly interrupted by an actual toddler.

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    • #3
      I run into this kind of thing in the ER.

      Patients bring in big bags full of medication, "this is what I take."

      I would spend a lot of time sorting through the various pill bottles; sometimes finding several bottles of the same medication that were still full of medication that had never been taken, or finding med mixes that made no sense (like the guy who had nitroglycerin who had a bottle of Viagra).

      All patients know is, "I take a little blue pill for my blood pressure and a little white one is my water pill."

      Scary
      They say that God only gives us what we can handle. Apparently, God thinks I'm a bad ass.

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      • #4
        Nitro AND viagra....where they trying to kill him?

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        • #5
          Quoth Kazim View Post
          Nitro AND viagra....where they trying to kill him?
          It was carelessness. I've seen a LOT of doctors do this; they forget that Viagra and nitrates do NOT mix. I've had several patients in the ER as a result with severe hypotension.

          There are SO many medications out there, and sometimes doctors just don't think before they start writing prescriptions.

          On top of that, people more and more see so many specialists and there is NO coordination of care through a primary care provider . . . but that's a subject for Fratching
          They say that God only gives us what we can handle. Apparently, God thinks I'm a bad ass.

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          • #6
            Quoth Panacea View Post
            There are SO many medications out there, and sometimes doctors just don't think before they start writing prescriptions.
            and sometimes the patient doesn't tell/remind them what they're taking, or omit OTC or supplements/herbals.

            I update my cell phone notes with what OTC/suppliments/herbals I'm taking and when/how much. If I so much as take an aspirin for a headache it goes in the phone with date and time(also helps with not taking the next dose early).
            Honestly.... the image of that in my head made me go "AWESOME!"..... and then I remembered I am terribly strange.-Red dazes

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            • #7
              Quoth Panacea View Post
              On top of that, people more and more see so many specialists and there is NO coordination of care through a primary care provider . . . but that's a subject for Fratching
              And that's why I have a family doctor. And why I know what meds I have and what each one is for.

              But then, I'm smarter than the average bear. Apparently.


              Of course, I do get tempted to just ask the pharmacist to 'gimme all my refills', but if I did that every month, I'd end up with a massive overstock of metformin (which I take a minimal dose of) and not nearly enough sodium valproate (which I take a high dose of).
              Seshat's self-help guide:
              1. Would you rather be right, or get the result you want?
              2. If you're consistently getting results you don't want, change what you do.
              3. Deal with the situation you have now, however it occurred.
              4. Accept the consequences of your decisions.

              "All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools." - Anders, Dragon Age.

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              • #8
                This is the first time in my life I've taken any kind of script for any significant length of time. I know what I'm taking and why, the side effects, the max dosage per day. I communicate--overcommunicate, really--with my doctor via his nurse. I asked questions, read the paperwork, and did a little research. Why? Because one of my meds is a controlled substance and another a steroid. I don't take putting things like that in my system lightly. I have no idea why other adults are like children when it comes to this. That's being sucky to yourself.
                "Is it hot in here to you? It's very warm, isn't it?"--Nero, probably

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                • #9
                  Quoth Food Lady View Post
                  I don't take putting things like that in my system lightly. I have no idea why other adults are like children when it comes to this. That's being sucky to yourself.
                  Because it's long names, and extra stuff to remember, and it's only my health so it's not important, who cares anyway 'cos if it all goes wrong it's the doctor's fault! [/sarcasm]

                  I don't understand why you wouldn't care what you're putting in your body, and what it's meant to fix! *grumbles* Just keep a list, and it saves you/the doctor/the pharmacist/ER/everyone else a LOT of trouble.
                  I speak English, L33t, Sarcasm and basic Idiot.

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                  • #10
                    We have one patient who is notorious for this. He'll come in and tell us "Fill everything", which we now refuse to do, and make him tell us each and every one that he needs (or thinks he does )

                    "But you guys know me, just fill the ones you know I take."

                    Last time it culminated with him arguing with the pharmacy manager and a tech for at least ten minutes.

                    PM: "Sir, I know we 'know' you, but I have hundreds of patients. I can't remember what you get!"

                    That day, he got mad and made us transfer all his scripts to Walgreens, but then called back after the transfer was done and wanted them transferred back to us. Oh man, we were close. So close to getting rid of him

                    This was something like 12 Rxs that day, and he kept coming back every 10 minutes asking if they were done yet. FFS, no! Boss hasn't even gotten them back from the other pharmacy and even after that, it'd be an hour. For the record, I know my boss could get even a large order like that out much faster, but he was fed up with the guy at this point at was going to make him wait. And almost always, without fail, he will pick up his shit, come back 15 minutes later, and tell us he's missing one. One time he accused us of cheating him a med and it was IN THE BAG. He also will always push a cartload of groceries up to me and ask if I can check him out there. Even if you didn't have all that weighable produce that I have no scale for, NO! There are other people in line who just want medicine, not to wait on your stupid ass to get checked out.

                    I was complaining about him one day and Boss says "Oh yeah, that guy. Yeah, he's a pain. And you know I almost never say that about people." Which is true, I've mentioned it before, but it is very, very difficult to get my boss visibly riled, he's incredibly compassionate and laid back. But on this day . . . he was irritated.

                    I also agree that it's alarming how people just take stuff without knowing what it is, and on the multiple specialists thing. I'm pretty positive a lot of people are taking medicines they don't need, or winding up with multiple prescriptions for the same stuff. Had one lady get frustrated (but not with us) and made us keep the BP meds her doctor had called in, because she only wanted the birth control. "I told him specifically not to call that in, I want to talk to my family doctor about the BP." So the way I understand it, her gyno took it upon himself to write her Lisinopril/HCTZ that she told him she didn't want.
                    Last edited by ShinyGreenApple; 03-24-2012, 07:27 PM.
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                    • #11
                      I'm usually pretty patient waiting in line, but I'd be irritated at that guy who wanted to get checked out at the pharm. Two reasons: A) With all the doctor appts, work, & driving across town to the pharmacy (employee discount--no pharm at my store), I am left with less time to get everything done I need to. I'll wait, but don't want an unnecessary wait.

                      B) I'm there for pain meds. Usually by the time I'm gettin' them filled, I'm in a lot of pain and need them. They're narcs; they run out fast & refills have to be approved every time. I need my doses on time.
                      "Is it hot in here to you? It's very warm, isn't it?"--Nero, probably

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                      • #12
                        I like going to the same GP. They have all the meds I am taking in their computer and they have to enter in the new medication when writing a script. They can look at what I'm on easily and as a safety feature the computer will pop up a warning if there are incompatibilities. As long as they don't just rely on the computer and check with me to make sure there's nothing extra or different (which they do) it's a pretty good system.

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                        • #13
                          I hate it when patients do that to us! Luckily, the other tech in my store and I have trained our regulars quite well, so it's the rare douchenozzle who just wants to "make us work" that asks for "everything".

                          My boss, K, is always super on top of keeping patients' prescriptions regulated and communicating with all doctors involved. Because we're only a 1,000 rx per week store, we have that option. But even then, some slip through when we have floater pharmacists. And when patients get prescriptions at multiple pharmacies it makes things crazy hard to regulate!

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                          • #14
                            Some people are ridiculous, they expect their docs and RPhs to keep track of their meds. People you have 1 patient to keep track of they have many. Also wait times...SC-'is my prescription ready yet?' me-"no, not yet sir" SC-'I dropped it off an HOUR ago!!' Then I check with the techs and they dropped it off 5 minutes ago and were told it would be half an hour.

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                            • #15
                              ^

                              In that case I might suggest that perhaps they are also having problems concentrating and perhaps it might be worth seeing a specialist for possible neurological complaints...
                              "Bring me knitting!" (The Doctor - not the one you were expecting)

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