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    Decided to put this in sightings, but it's a company I'm dealing with right now.

    A few months ago, both my kids (aged 12 and 15) went to different choir events for their schools. A company called Tri-Star Event Photography went to take pictures I guess. They both brought home permission slips to order pictures. I took a look at the cost, gasped and said that we would not be ordering pictures. They went to the event, the photographer convinced them to sign up for pictures by flat out lying to them (telling them that the paper was for the company to send them a link to order pictures if they wanted to at a later date). shortly after that, we received the pictures in the mail with a bill for almost 90 dollars (for 3 8x10's). I sent the forms and the pictures back in the same envelope. Now my daughter is receiving collection notices in the mail but my son is not. They obviously got his picture, and hers should be in the same envelope. I tried to call them, but got a message that this was their "Busy season" and I should contact them through their website. So I sent them this email:

    My 15 year old daughter is receiving collection notices from you. I have several issues with this.

    The first is, my daughter and son brought home a slip before the event at which you took pictures. I decided the cost of a photo was prohibitive, and explained to them that we would not be purchasing pictures. At the event itself, your employee informed my children that they were not signing up to order pictures, but that you would send, in the mail, a link and password to a website where they could order pictures at a later date, if they so wanted to. Then he pressured them to write down their address. A short time later, the pictures arrived in the mail. Your company practiced deceptive business practices, in first of all, lying to kids so they would fill out the forms for you, and then entering minors in a contract to pay. Both of which are illegal, I believe.

    The second issue is, ALL sets of pictures were sent back to you. My 12 year old son is no longer receiving collection notices, but my daughter still is. All paperwork and pictures were sent in the same envelope. You found his, hers are in the same place. The account number is XXXX

    I’ve done some looking on the web today, and noticed that you have MANY complaints, over several years with your business practices. I’ve even seen where people have paid so that you would not damage their minor children’s credit, or just to make the trouble stop. I will not do so. I expect something in writing, stating that you are removing the debt owed by my daughter, there will be no damage to her credit or my credit. I find your business practice of having children sign a contract abhorrent. I’ve read your responses online and find it no less troubling after your responses. You can send home links and passwords where parents, the adults, can purchase pictures. There is NO reason to pressure minors into ordering pictures and then billing CHILDREN for the amount. In this day of social media you have many options.

    You have the photographs, I have fulfilled my end by returning the pictures before your deadline.

    Please take care of this issue as soon as possible. I will also be speaking to both schools about the issues I’ve experienced and to also find out if other parents in the area are having the same problems.

    You can email me either at this email address or XXXX

    Thank you

    April XXXX
    Any thoughts? I try to be polite and professional, but I'm actually pretty annoyed by this. Both kids saw the photographer at different sites/events so I'm sure they are being honest with what they were told. According to the mail, I had a certain time frame to send the pictures back, and I did at that time.

  • #2
    Sounds good. Keep pressuring them to stop the harassment and get something in writing on that.

    If they keep up the harassment go to the media, the police, the school and anyone else you can think of to out these people...

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    • #3
      Force them to provide evidence of the debt - given that your kids are minors, and thus can't enter into contracts, I would think their collection effort is borderline illegal, as there's no contract.
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      • #4
        What others have said, plus file a formal complaint with the BBB against them, outlining what happened and their response (or lack of) so far.
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        • #5
          I would also add - in the future, send the photos back certified mail so you have a receipt proving that they were returned to the business.
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          • #6
            A minor can not lawfully enter into a contract for non-essential items. If you did not authorize the purchase of these photos on their behalf, the contract can not be enforced.

            I would suggest contacting your State's Attorney General. Or at a minimum, your local news outlet's consumer advocate. These folks need some more bad publicity.

            Also contact the school and the schools board. These folks should be banned from school activities.
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            • #7
              Quoth csquared View Post
              I would suggest contacting your State's Attorney General. Or at a minimum, your local news outlet's consumer advocate. These folks need some more bad publicity.

              Also contact the school and the schools board. These folks should be banned from school activities.
              Seconded. These folks are breaking the law (not to mention harassing your daughter) and need to be reported.
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              • #8
                I'd say you were more than polite, given the circumstances. Encourage the school to reach out to the other families to see if they were similarly duped.
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                • #9
                  I'm going to 3rd contacting your Attorney General. They're attempting to claim based on a fraudulent contract (signed by a minor).

                  If there is a collections agency involved, contact them directly and ask for the proof of debt to be provided - signed contract, invoice, etc. Any halfway legit agency will drop the collection action once they're aware the contract was signed by a minor and thus is not legally binding. I've done similar with agencies where a company stated that our company had a contract but failed to provide a signed & executed copy - because it didn't exist in the first place, of course. All collections immediately stopped and it was voided from our credit history.

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                  • #10
                    Definitely Attorney General. There's a reason why minors cannot enter into contracts, and your experience is mostly likely a BIG part of that reason. Report to BBB and any other regulatory bodies you can find.

                    Should other parents at the schools be experiencing the same thing, encourage them to do the same.
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                    • #11
                      You are far more polite that I would have been. All the advice from others is good and should be followed. This is a shady company and needs to be taken down. To me it looks and sounds like a shakedown system the mafia would be proud of.

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                      • #12
                        If this isn't you,then there's another unhappy customer about complaining about exactly the same thing.Might help if you can get other reports of them doing this.

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                        • #13
                          Quoth Kit-Ginevra View Post
                          If this isn't you,then there's another unhappy customer about complaining about exactly the same thing.Might help if you can get other reports of them doing this.

                          http://www.yellowpages.com/nationwid...8?lid=11618508
                          Those ones aren't me, but I did see those yesterday. I am looking into the Attorney General's information today. we will see what comes of it. No word back from the company yet. The BBB page is full of complaints about them, they have an F rating with the BBB

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                          • #14
                            This seems to be a big problem with them-they get the kids to sign up with their details and then use that as an order placement,even though the kids are underage-they have many complaints all in the same vein
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                            • #15
                              Just chiming in to agree with others here. Minors can't be held to contracts that they signed unless emancipated. Continue pursuing filing an official complaint with the proper authorities in your state. To stop collection notices, have a look at this link. The post was originally written for "zombie" debt collectors, but has much useful info for you too!. Especially the drop dead letter and complaint form for the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Best of luck!
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