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    I have a couple of short stories about this and I wonder how many other people it happens to. Is it that some people are so stubborn they can't be told anything? Is it some sort of bias only against their kids? Read on and decide:


    Friend of mine used to be a painter, does real estate now. He's in his late 40's. About 10 years ago, before he went solo as a painter, he was working with his dad's painting company. (which basically consisted of him and his dad, and a couple of part-time guys)

    They were doing a church, which of course had high ceilings and they couldn't use regular ladders because of the stained glass windows. The dad's idea was to get scaffolding and paint it that way. But to do that, they would have to unbolt all the pews from the floor, move them, set up the scaffolding, etc. Mark did some research and found that they could rent one of those mobile scissor lifts which fit perfectly next to the pews, reduced the number of man hours by 60% and made life easier. They'd save money and get the job done faster.

    Mark's dad wouldn't have it. Refused to budge, despite the numbers being there in black and white. So they used his dad's method which took a multitude of hours longer and they made less money on the job. Mark quit the company not long after that and went solo.

    Then again, when his dad was in the hospital last year from a heart attack, he didn't want to lay in bed, take the drugs prescribed to him, or do anything the doctors said... resulting in an infection in his chest that almost killed him.

    Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and knock it off with your stubbornness, I think.



    Story 2:

    While playing D & D one night one of the women in my group got a call from a friend of hers whose mother had gotten a fake Microsoft technician telephone call and wanted to give the guy her credit card number and access to her computer. Of course, the mother refused to listen to her daughter because how could she know anything? So she called the woman in my group, Julia, who is a computer geek and actually does some soldering and web site work for my company, in hopes that she could talk some sense into her mother.

    And I'm in the background yelling "TELL HER I OWN A COMPUTER STORE! I GUARANTEE ITS FAKE!"

    Finally, having three people telling her it was a bogus call, she hung up on the fake Microsoft tech. But goddam, woman... try listening to people.



    Actually, one more related... had a customer a few years ago who had to get power of attorney over his uncle, because the guy had spent TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS sending it to a guy in Nigeria with the absolute belief he was going to get a million dollars in return. Unfortunately it was looking like the guy was going to lose his house and it was probably too late to do anything about it, as he had spent all his tax/mortgage money on Honorable Barrister Whackadoo Jones. I never heard what happened after that.

    So you'll buy in to the bullshit story of some random guy from Nigeria you never met, but you won't listen to your own family. Oy vey.

  • #2
    Another thing about the Nigeria prince scam. Like the United States, Nigeria is a constitutional republic. They don't have a royal family.
    "I try to be curious about everything, even things that don't interest me." -Alex Trebek

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    • #3
      It's a little something I've heard of before called "Powdered Butt Syndrome".

      I had this issue with my mother from time to time. Especially when it came to computers. I told her several times to "label the cables", so that if anything happened, she'd know how to re-connect things.

      I also did that from a financial aspect once. I told her what she should do, and she halfway listened, but I think at one point did her own thing anyway.
      Skilled programmers aren't cheap. Cheap programmers aren't skilled.

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      • #4
        Quoth WishfulSpirit View Post
        Another thing about the Nigeria prince scam. Like the United States, Nigeria is a constitutional republic. They don't have a royal family.
        Good to know.


        I just heard a couple of days ago that Interpol or some sort of international authorities busted a major scammer over there who had amassed some $70 million dollars scamming people.

        My roommate had a great response: "Not the Prince! But now I won't get my twenty million dollars!"

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        • #5
          Not so much any specific experience sort of thing, but I will NOT talk religion or politics with my mother or my grandmother. Each take any disagreement as a personal affront to them, and with each, how could I possibly know anything, I'm so young. I couldn't possibly research and read and listen and form an opinion other than their own.

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          • #6
            Quoth An Haddock View Post
            Of course, the mother refused to listen to her daughter because how could she know anything?
            And that's the problem. People don't let others learn their lesson the hard way. I'd tell my mom, "when you call back crying that they took your money, just know now I'm going to hang up on you."

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            • #7
              Quoth An Haddock View Post

              So you'll buy in to the bullshit story of some random guy from Nigeria you never met, but you won't listen to your own family. Oy vey.
              Well yeah. People will believe something is true if they desperately want it to be true.
              Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be evil.

              "I never said I wasn't a horrible person."--Me, almost daily

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              • #8
                Quoth April View Post
                Not so much any specific experience sort of thing, but I will NOT talk religion or politics with my mother or my grandmother. Each take any disagreement as a personal affront to them, and with each, how could I possibly know anything, I'm so young. I couldn't possibly research and read and listen and form an opinion other than their own.
                i have to leave the room when ever my conservative uber republican aunt opens her mouth about business, politics or education. Keep in mind all of her kids are grown in their 30s 40s and even 50s with there own kids and her career was hair dresser turned beauty school instructor so she has had no experience with modern public school education and policies and concerns so hearing her lecture me about the career im studying for and she obviously doesn't understand makes me want to rip her a new one.

                I have problems with a lot of me other extended family members, as they are severely conservative and religious. They also ignore a lot of what we say, even when we are right.

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                • #9
                  I don't help people with basic computer stuff unless I'm getting something out of it, and I get that something before helping. I learned my lesson with my mother, who could barely use her email despite using said email at least three times a day. If a person won't listen to someone who knows what they're talking about, then they can do it themselves.
                  Eh, one day I'll have something useful here. Until then, have a cookie or two.

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                  • #10
                    SnD - Without getting into what they were arguing about *cough* *ahem*, I have noticed that people who don't know what they're talking about seem to be the most set in their ways about their absolute conviction. In other words, those who have no effing CLUE what they're talking about seem to be the most confident that they know EXACTLY what they're talking about. They prefer to convey this conviction loudly, and via constant interruption. People who have actually done their research tend to be open to new interpretations, instead.
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                    • #11
                      Quoth EricKei View Post
                      SnD - Without getting into what they were arguing about *cough* *ahem*, I have noticed that people who don't know what they're talking about seem to be the most set in their ways about their absolute conviction. In other words, those who have no effing CLUE what they're talking about seem to be the most confident that they know EXACTLY what they're talking about. They prefer to convey this conviction loudly, and via constant interruption. People who have actually done their research tend to be open to new interpretations, instead.
                      I see you're acquainted with my one boss. She knows everything about everything, and her opinions and likes are the ONLY ones allowed. She's also quite abrasive, and clueless about many things, espeically anything electronic related.

                      So one day she's going on about her "ipad"and how she was trying to read a book on her Kindle app, and something weird happened. Mind you, she is the ony one here who has "weird' computer issues, and consistently blames our IT dept for "doing something" When in reality, its either user error or user ignorance.

                      so she's asking me about the kindle app on her IPAD. i have one, so i'm trying to walk her through it.

                      then she pullls out her ipad, which isn't actually an ipad, but an Android tablet. Totally different animal, and anything I just told you to do, ignore, as you don't freaking HAVE an actual ipad. But she calls anything like that one.

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                      • #12
                        Quoth Catwoman2965 View Post
                        then she pullls out her ipad, which isn't actually an ipad, but an Android tablet. Totally different animal, and anything I just told you to do, ignore, as you don't freaking HAVE an actual ipad. But she calls anything like that one.

                        I've gotten a few customers like that in my time. Usually the ones who call the computer tower the "modem". It might sound nitpicky but I really need people to be at least a little accurate when describing their problem.

                        "My modem won't turn on."
                        "OKay, did you call Comcast to check it out since it's their equipment?"
                        "But I bought it from Walmart! I put a CD into it the other day and..."
                        "You put a CD in your modem? You mean your computer?"
                        "Isn't the computer the thing on the desk that shows all the icons?"
                        "You mean the monitor?"

                        I can't tell you how many times I've had this conversation. They refer to the tower as the modem or power supply. And it matters. I can't diagnose something without the proper information and I don't need someone hauling in their monitor or something if they don't need to. Some folks don't even know what I'm talking about when I ask if they have a tower or a laptop.

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                        • #13
                          At the school district while I was interning, I heard a teacher say the following:

                          Have you moved the CPU lab yet?

                          He meant "computer lab" but has taken to calling computers central processing units.
                          Replace anger management with stupidity management.

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                          • #14
                            Quoth April View Post
                            Not so much any specific experience sort of thing, but I will NOT talk religion or politics with my mother or my grandmother. Each take any disagreement as a personal affront to them, and with each, how could I possibly know anything, I'm so young. I couldn't possibly research and read and listen and form an opinion other than their own.
                            That's exactly how many of my extended family members used to be! I hated getting brushed off with that "Oh, you're just a kid.....you don't know anything." sort of attitude.

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                            • #15
                              Quoth EricKei View Post
                              ...I have noticed that people who don't know what they're talking about seem to be the most set in their ways about their absolute conviction.
                              Isn't that the very definition of the Dunning-Kruger effect?
                              “There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged.
                              One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world.
                              The other, of course, involves orcs." -- John Rogers

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