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    This is a suck doctor story, im not sure if it belongs here, but since im nearly tempted to file malpractice charges against im putting it in sightings because he is sucky! Mods, if you wanna move it go ahead.

    ok let me first give you a little bit of back ground information.
    This is my father's doctor.
    My father is Bi-Polar with an anxiety disorder and for most of my life has been medicated for it, though he wasn't diagnosed when my parents got married. My father is also very verbally (he doesnt curse i just believe this the best word for this), mentally, emotionally, phychologically and physcially abusive. He is also very manipulative. And he has a history of abusing his medication, even if he has someone monitoring it full time, like my mother did before she left him.

    Now im not sure about the abuse part but my father's doctor knows all of the above information.
    He knows that my father abuses his anxiety medication to the point where he devolpes what you might call a medication induced dementia, where in he has almost no memory, is unable to perform even basic tasks (for him at least) with injury or accident, and where even he has no idea what he is saying. He also loses the ability to defieciante (sp?) between his dreams and reality.

    For awhile my father was off an anxiety medication. He would self medicate with sleeping pills, which wouldn't cause any of the above mentioned symptoms with abuse. But he hated it because his shakes wouldn't stop and they would just calm him down a bit, not make him lose his anxiety.

    I found out today that he talked his doctor into putting him back on anxiety medication. Personally i don't see to much wrong with this because it was obviouse he need something (less his anxiety became to much and he became suicidal) and if it wheren't for one little thing i would be ok wiht.

    The doctor gave him a prescription without much in the way of restrictions. He didn't arrange for his medication to be given to him by a nurse (which he has had done for awhile) until he became use to the prescribition again. Nor did he give him a limited prescribition.

    This is a doctor who KNOWS that my father is a pill popper. who KNOWS if given a chance he will take up to 10 pills at a time (all the same kind btw). who KNOWS that he will find away to get away with this if he can. BECAUSE HES DONE IT BEFORE.

    In the past he had some kind of monitoring system, through my mother. But my mother left and i live with her. My father lives alone. The doctor knows on my fathers own devices he takes his medical care into his own hands.

    Well already hes begon to act erratic and uncontrollable. He has so far to day called us about 20 times, sometimes for the exact same thing because he falls asleep, thinks he only dreamed calling us and calls us again. its obviouse he is getting close to having another episode and of course im the one who is going to fucking have to deal with it, because my mother refuses to, my brother wont deal with unless hes 'normal', my sister hasn't spoken to him in about... two years, and if i dont i can only hope that his bishop notices something is wrong before he gets hurt. So tomorrow when i check in with him, and if he isnt acting more... normal... im going to take his pills (leave him just enough to make through a night and the morning) call his doctor, leave him a message, and then call him again tomorrow and calmly and in a non-cursing maner, rip him a fucking new one, and tell him he needs to monitor his patient better or something is going to happen (like hmm oh i don't know, walking around in only lose fitting jeans and a under shirt, knock over trash cans, get in to red car because its red like his, scare woman who thinks shes gettting car jacked, stumple around aimlessly on a busy commercial street, and get arrested... like last time..) or worst SOMEONE IS GOING TO GET FUCKING HURT!!

    Last time i checked, the defenition of insanity was repeating the same action expecting different results... you'd think a shrink would know better......

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    It might be time to call the cops and have him involuntarily admitted.

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    • #3
      Cyg if he is in the US and his father is lucid enough to refuse treatment, then he has to be released. Mental health laws were changed in the 60's and early 70's so it is hard as hell to commit anyone who is not homicidal or suicidal without their consent. Sliceanddice, can you call your dad's bishop and have him convince dad to go for treatment?

      Call the medical board and medicaid/the HMO your dad is covered by and complain to them. Medical board won't do a thing to a fellow doctor.

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      • #4
        csdrone, you're forgetting the law that allows involuntary admission with 2 family witness and a doctor. (I know several people who got thrown in mental wards using this law) I do believe U.K. has a version of this law also.

        But Sliceanddice, good luck with that doctor. You have a very short time to claim malpractice. You'll have to become your father legal guardian in order get anywhere with it.
        I've lost my mind ages ago. If you find it, please hide it.

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        • #5
          Thanks Lost My Mind! That is useful information. I thought that the patient could refuse treatment and the hospital could not commit them if the patient was lucid. That is kind of a relief to know.

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          • #6
            Problem with your idea is that: Unless admitted to hospital or Inpatient treatment: Doctors are not required to monitor patient behavior.

            Best you can do is call Dr Ass, tell him of your father's behavior, remind him that he's a pill popper & is manic.

            Suggest to Dr Ass about hospice care...or some home visitation thing about someone coming by to check on Dad and give meds daily.

            Dad can check himself into a hospital if he can see the dangers here. My friend P who's BiPolar checked herself into a "Time Out" Program in alaska. The program would let people check into a place where there were some basic rules, drugs were administered by nurse or NP's, and patient could leave when they were ready.. It was a place for mentally ill people to have a time out, be "not thinking of all their responsibilities" and drive self crazier. (hell we all need this).

            If Dad is admitted by law or other, and is lucid, he has the right to leave....But check your state law. Not too long ago, Alaska passed a state law that patients could REFUSE their treatment at the Psychiatric Treatment center. Some patients were given drugs they did not want, would request NOT THAT DRUG but would be ignored..and still administered.

            You really need the help of social workers in this one. Call your local large hospital to find a program for adults / mental illness/ hospice and GET ON IT.. overdoses of drugs are not fun.

            Good luck
            Cutenoob
            In my heart, in my soul, I'm a woman for rock & roll.
            She's as fast as slugs on barbituates.

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            • #7
              I learned when I wrote a letter to my boyfriend's unhelpful psychiatrist that doctors sit up and take notice PDQ if you throw around the phrase "duty of care." He is a LOT better about listening to us now. Try that, and I hope things start to go better for your family. (Mental illnesses are never justr about the individual affected, it hurts everyone int he family. Take care of yourselves too).

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              • #8
                I discovered part of the problem-
                My father and his doctor had worked it out where he was takeing 2 mg total maybe 3 mg a day. Basically he was suppose to take a half mg 4 days a day with the clearence to take about mg or so if he was really stressed. What my father didnt know because he wasn't told his script was going to be for mg tablets which he would have to cut. he thought they where half mg tablets. So he ended up taking twice as much as he was suppose to take... which made him loopy and forget fully, to the point where he didnt think he took his pills.... and he took more... and he spent most of his time sleeping...
                Ive taken his pills away, let him detox, and explained to him how hes taken way to much and have been give him about a days worth or so (ive give him alittle more than that because my grand mother is in the hospital because she had to have 5 feet of her colon removed [fun fact- I may have a genitic condition that would cause me to have 5 extra feet of colon... FUN] and since hes freaking about he needs alittle bit of anxiety relief...) and hes doing good.

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                • #9
                  Unfortunately I don't have any useful advice to add to what's already been said. I just wanted to give SliceandDice a hug.

                  This sounds like such a difficult situation to deal with, particularly since you seem to be doing it on your own. Your dad is very lucky to have someone like you in his life. But please be sure to take care of yourself too. At some point you may have to consider having your dad put in full time care, as others have mentioned. It's a horrible decision to have to make, but you can't let yourself be run into the ground for him, even if he is your father. I hope he gets the care he needs, and that you get cared for too! (By yourself and by the people in your life.)

                  Quoth Cutenoob View Post
                  The program would let people check into a place where there were some basic rules, drugs were administered by nurse or NP's, and patient could leave when they were ready.. It was a place for mentally ill people to have a time out, be "not thinking of all their responsibilities" and drive self crazier. (hell we all need this).
                  I just wanted to add that I think this is brilliant. I wish there were more places like this, and that we lived in a society where employers, schools and governments understood and supported proactive mental healthcare. It might save a lot of people.
                  But I don't need a vagina. I have a pony.
                  -Gravekeeper

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                  • #10
                    Quoth Max View Post
                    Unfortunately I don't have any useful advice to add to what's already been said. I just wanted to give SliceandDice a hug.

                    This sounds like such a difficult situation to deal with, particularly since you seem to be doing it on your own. Your dad is very lucky to have someone like you in his life. But please be sure to take care of yourself too. At some point you may have to consider having your dad put in full time care, as others have mentioned. It's a horrible decision to have to make, but you can't let yourself be run into the ground for him, even if he is your father. I hope he gets the care he needs, and that you get cared for too! (By yourself and by the people in your life.)



                    I just wanted to add that I think this is brilliant. I wish there were more places like this, and that we lived in a society where employers, schools and governments understood and supported proactive mental healthcare. It might save a lot of people.

                    Well dont worry i have yet felt the need to revert to my namesake yet.... thought i think im getting a cold [sleeping lots+head achey+stress+ sneezes= cold right?] but it makes you feel better if i feel like im slipping im start screaming

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                    • #11
                      I have bipolar.. My mom has it.. My cousin's ex boyfriend has it.. and I have had experience in learning the cousin's ex's pill habits.

                      I'm sure you've got some safety years under your belt with experience with him, as implied. Just offering some words;

                      A bipolar person will not accept help unless they state they need it... Drugged up or not, they have to openly say "I need it" before they accept it. I would go with the numerous counts above, since your poor dad is obviously in a constant manic, and have him admitted.

                      If you do, and you go see him in the first few weeks, prepare for hell. And don't let him know you're going to call someone if you do. He might blame you and resent you for the longest.

                      Best wishes, and my personal hope you are doing well (as its certainly not the easiest on the family).

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                      • #12
                        Quoth unholypet View Post
                        I have bipolar.. My mom has it.. My cousin's ex boyfriend has it.. and I have had experience in learning the cousin's ex's pill habits.

                        I'm sure you've got some safety years under your belt with experience with him, as implied. Just offering some words;

                        A bipolar person will not accept help unless they state they need it... Drugged up or not, they have to openly say "I need it" before they accept it. I would go with the numerous counts above, since your poor dad is obviously in a constant manic, and have him admitted.

                        If you do, and you go see him in the first few weeks, prepare for hell. And don't let him know you're going to call someone if you do. He might blame you and resent you for the longest.

                        Best wishes, and my personal hope you are doing well (as its certainly not the easiest on the family).

                        Depression
                        Hes normally in depression
                        why do i know this?
                        No work or being fired+ my grandmother+ my mother leaving+ my sister no lolnger speaking or having contact with him+ car problems= uber stress

                        And people wonder why a knife use to be my best friend

                        (disclamier= im not saying ANY of this excuss his abusive behavior. I deserved better and my mother deserved better and personally i think one of them should file for divorce and get it over with despite my father still loving my mother and refusing to be the one to file again [his first marriage he filed] and my mother believeing she cant afford it. All she needs is the paper work and enough to cover some court fees. It isnt going to be a big dividing of assests to-do)

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