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  • Adventures in Wireless Internet (Long)

    Putting this here, because I was on the customer side of things. If it goes elsewhere, feel free to move it.

    Gather around and I'll tell you a story. Let's begin by setting the scene.

    Back in July of 2007, our apartment complex set up free wireless Internet for the residents. Hubby and I thought this sounded pretty good, since free wireless sure beat $30+ a month for cable. All it required was an initial investment in a pair of wireless adapters for our two computers. His laptop needed a new laptop-friendly card, since his built-in card had given up the ghost sometime in the past three years, and my desktop only had the built-in ethernet card. So it was off to local stores on a quest to become wireless-ready.

    Due to the nature of errands that day, our first stop was Target. We found the Internet cards and adapters and took inventory of what was available to us. Of what was on the shelf, the best deal price- and brand-wise seemed to be from Belkin; we'd heard of Belkin before, while the only other brand on the shelf was a bit cheaper and completely unfamiliar to both of us. The card on the shelf was a neat little USB adapter, which I liked because it wouldn't require opening up my computer to install another PCI card or have a little antenna sticking out the back where little baby hands could find and snap it off. The USB adapter came with a base and cable so the card could sit on the desk instead. Awesome. Unfortunately, they were out of actual laptop cards, and only had one USB adapter, which we bought.

    Our next stop on our errand run was Wal-Mart, and we decided to check out their electronics section to see if they had anything better. Sure enough, they had an actual notebook card by Belkin. We bought that and the same USB adapter, which was cheaper, and later in the week I went back to Target to return the extra USB adapter. We got everything hooked up at home, got our computers registered on the University system (required to access the wireless network), and were good to go.

    September rolled around, and my adapter began displaying some unusual behavior. Over the summer, we'd been roleplaying via Skype (a voice chat program) with our friends, who live in three other states. In September, Hubby wrapped up the campaign he'd been running and I began one I'd planned for a while. And not two sessions into the campaign, Skype began dropping the call periodically. At first, I thought it to be a problem with Skype, but I couldn't reconnect the conference call, and web pages wouldn't load either. Yet my Internet icon was sitting happy as a clam in my system tray, letting me know I had “Excellent” reception. A quick disable and re-enable later, and Skype was up and running once more. This occurred periodically throughout the fall, yet I never quite got around to actually contacting Belkin to find out if there was something wrong with the adapter. I never had the time, and I'm really not that keen on calling people on the phone. I just don't like it.

    Easter weekend in March, Hubby, Baby, and I went to an anime convention in Boston. I sold art in the Artists' Alley, made out like a bandit, and enjoyed myself overall. Sunday evening on Easter, we returned home, and I fired up my computer. I was met with a network adapter that seemed to have developed some form of electronic epilepsy while we were gone. I suspect it was jealous. Now, instead of just occasionally losing signal while still lying to me about its connectivity, the adapter was connecting to the network, disconnecting a second later, reconnecting a second after that, disconnecting again a second after that, reconnecting once more.... The connection flickered like this for about half an hour before settling on “connected.”

    For the next three weeks, the adapter had bouts of connection epilepsy, for half an hour each time, followed by two- to six-hour stretches of behaving itself (for the most part). I couldn't figure it out. Its connection to the USB ports was as secure as ever, I hadn't changed any drivers or deleted anything crucial (I was in Boston, how could I?), and the card wasn't physically damaged. This added to irritation as the Skype calls would drop more frequently now (though during actual roleplaying time, the connection behaved itself. Go figure.), and AIM would eventually lock me out of my account for half an hour at a time for trying to reconnect too often. Web surfing was especially painful, as the connection would drop just as I clicked on a page to load, and would keep dropping as I hit refresh whenever it connected. Let me tell you, I'm getting sick of that “Cannot find the web page” message.

    I finally gathered the nerve to try to contact Belkin about the problem about two weeks ago. However, having a mild aversion to calling on the phone, I first sought out the support form on the website. Easy peasy. Plug in my product information, my name, my e-mail, etc. Fill out this text box with a description of my problem, and hit send. I left a nice, detailed description of when I bought the adapter, when the connection problems first began and when they got irritatingly worse, the fact that I'd reformatted my computer in January and reinstalled the adapter and its drivers from the included CD, and the fact that my husband's connection didn't do this at all (I even included his card's model number, just in case they wanted that info). All well and good, right?

    Two days later, I received a response from them. I eagerly clicked on the link in the e-mail to see what helpful information they might have provided. Instead, I found a canned, “We understand you want drivers. Here's how to get them.” Only more long-winded and unhelpful. Head? Meet desk.

    I rated the response as “poor” and replied, “I am not looking for drivers. In case you didn't read it before, here's my problem again, with more details.” Or, at least, something to that effect. I tried to be even clearer on the details the second time around, in case they'd just seen the word “drivers” and went into autopilot.

    Another two days went by before I received this gem of a response: “Here's how you connect to the wireless network.” And they proceeded to describe a long and convoluted process involving ten steps minimum that boiled down to manually connecting to the network of my choice. Not only was that not the answer I needed, I can do that very action much quicker by simply clicking on the network icon in my system tray, selecting my desired network, and clicking “Connect.” And I really don't even need to do that, since I set my computer to automatically connect to the network I want. ::bangs head repeatedly on desk::

    They included a toll-free phone number in both replies, which I decided I needed to use as this time-delay e-conversation with a pre-programmed IT robot was not helping my situation. Unfortunately, it took me another week to drum up the resolve to actually make that phone call. Fortunately, this gave us enough time to test out the adapter on Hubby's laptop. He installed the adapter on his computer, and let it sit for a bit. At first it seemed to mock us, connecting happily and staying connected. After it realized it didn't have us fooled, however, it launched into another fit of epilepsy. (Possibly to elicit sympathy from me. It didn't work.) That proved that it wasn't the adapter's base or my USB port malfunctioning. I was fairly certain it wasn't the network itself, since Hubby's computer never lost connection this much, let alone in an epileptic fit of doom.
    "Enough expository banter. It's time we fight like men. And ladies. And ladies who dress like men. For Gilgamesh...IT'S MORPHING TIME!"
    - Gilgamesh, Final Fantasy V

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    (Part 2)

    Thursday came along, and I finally made the phone call while Baby was having a snack. I got a hold of a tech with a heavy accent, though luckily he was still understandable. Yay for outsourced call centers. He was quite pleasant, though, and very helpful. None of this “drivers” or “connecting” nonsense. He immediately had me check various settings on the adapter and the connection in general. During this time, my storage drive decided to turn invisible again, causing my computer to slow down as it tried to recover from its suddenly-failed Spot check.

    (As a side note, in late November/early December, due to a disagreement between my computer hardware and an external hard drive we'd inherited from my father-in-law, my main storage drive was damaged and is still in the long and slow process of dying on me. When it gets tired, I hear a soft click-whirr, and the computer loses track of the drive. Most irritating was this caused some corruption to a few files I'd been working on, so I had to restore less-complete versions from backup. I also forgot to backup certain (not-necessarily-crucial) files before I wiped both drives and restored my system. I have a new drive that will be installed later and all the data transferred. Then it's time for hard drive surgery. ::evil grin:: I wouldn't think this relevant, but the tech I spoke with seemed to think it was.)

    After all the checking seemed to indicate that nothing was wrong, the tech admitted he couldn't figure it out. He put me on hold while he went to check a few other things, then came back to tell me that he was going to escalate the call and someone would call me back to help me get a replacement. He gave me a reference number to use, I thanked him, and we hung up. In all, this was the highlight of the ordeal. If Belkin sends me a survey to rate my tech support calls, I'm going to rate this guy very highly.

    No one called the rest of that day (I'd called support around 3pm), nor did anyone call by 4pm Saturday, so I decided to call the support number again to find out what was up. I got a tech who routed me back to the correct department, and spoke with a lady with a thicker accent (I had to keep asking her to repeat herself). I gave her my name and she verified my reference number and confirmed that I was having connection issues. Great, I thought, there are notes on the account. This should be easy. I got ready to talk replacement.

    She immediately tried to explain to me that adapters often disconnected from the network, and there was nothing she could do, that there was nothing wrong with the adapter and the wireless provider was to blame. I explained that my husband's card, also from Belkin, wasn't having these problems in the slightest, and that my card was disconnecting very frequently, but only for half an hour at a time. She kept reiterating that “these things happen,” talking down to me. However, she did (condescendingly) tell me that I could opt for a replacement anyway, but she couldn't guarantee it wouldn't have the same problem.

    I firmly insisted on the replacement anyway, biting my tongue to keep from complaining or breaking down. I was frustrated and on the verge of an angry or tearful meltdown. I thought I'd finally reached a solution (replacement), and here another tech was trying to tell me that I was SOL and should basically suck it up and deal. At this point, the thought was running through my head that if the replacement adapter was so crappy as to suffer the same fit of epilepsy, I wouldn't be using Belkin's products anymore, since it would be obvious their adapter couldn't handle being connected to our network for any appreciable length of time. Hubby's card clearly had no trouble staying connected, therefore there was some problem with my adapter talking to the network. I hoped it was merely faulty and that a different adapter of the same model would work properly, like mine used to.

    So she walked me through the online warranty replacement request, and I eventually thanked her (endeavoring to be as polite as humanly possible despite my irritation) and we both hung up. I printed out the shipping label, and now I just have to wait for the replacement adapter to arrive before I send my own adapter in. I don't want to risk sending in cables they didn't think to send with the replacement, nor do I want to be without my e-mail and Internet (which I use for art business) for however long it takes for the adapter to arrive.

    Is it normal for techs to blame anything but their own company's product, despite evidence to the contrary?
    "Enough expository banter. It's time we fight like men. And ladies. And ladies who dress like men. For Gilgamesh...IT'S MORPHING TIME!"
    - Gilgamesh, Final Fantasy V

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    • #3
      I've found that it's fairly common for less responsible call techs to blame everything that would involve them not being responsible. My favorite experience is when the tech for Earthlink tried to tell us that dial up didn't require DNS information. Yeah, we filed a formal complaint about that guy.

      But, I do have a question. Did you ever get updated drivers for your system? Sure, you used the driver that was on the disk, but often, those drivers get replaced.

      Also, as an aside, laptop devices aren't the same as desktop devices. Specifically, the drivers will be very different. So the fact that your husband's laptop-based device was working properly isn't really related.

      Ain't tech fun?

      ... and the fact that they were outsourced is pretty much irrelevant to the post, except for the one that was so heavily accented that you had to ask her to repeat things constantly, and then it's not that she was outsourced so much as that she didn't speak very clearly.

      ^-.-^
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      • #4
        Quoth Kogarashi View Post
        Is it normal for techs to blame anything but their own company's product, despite evidence to the contrary?
        Depends on the company, but unfortunately, sometimes, yes. Whenever we have an issue with sites that we monitor going completely unknown, we can almost lay down money that it's a T1 issue, i.e. the telephone company needs to fix it. (Only 1 out of every 100+ occurrences is actually because the entire site is down) And odds are, we'll have to fight with them for 3-5 hours to get a frakking tech on site, as they'll first try to blame everything but their own equipment for the problem.
        "In the end I was the mean girl/or somebody's in between girl"~Neko Case

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        • #5
          Quoth Andara Bledin View Post
          I've found that it's fairly common for less responsible call techs to blame everything that would involve them not being responsible. My favorite experience is when the tech for Earthlink tried to tell us that dial up didn't require DNS information. Yeah, we filed a formal complaint about that guy.
          Back when I was single, Comcast kept trying to tell us that our modem was causing our flake-outs, despite all evidence pointing to one of their local nodes being down. They even sent a tech multiple times to verify that our modem was, indeed, working fine. And the beauty was that even if it was a modem problem, we were renting it so we wouldn't have had to pay to fix it.

          But, I do have a question. Did you ever get updated drivers for your system? Sure, you used the driver that was on the disk, but often, those drivers get replaced.
          Okay, I'll admit that I hadn't. I didn't honestly think that it would've affected the adapter's performance so suddenly or dramatically. Most of the annoyance with the driver response was that I hadn't requested drivers at all, I had asked for help (in general) with the problem. The response indicated that I was specifically looking for drivers, didn't address the connection issue, and asked me to repeat information I'd given in the helpdesk form. Suppose I should go see if there are updated drivers. ::shuffles off sheepishly::

          I also really didn't think about drivers once I got a hold of a live tech. The first guy never once asked about my drivers.

          ETA: Ok, just checked their site. Only non-original drivers they have up are beta drivers from five days ago. I.e. after the initial problem. Don't know if that's related or not, but , I'm more savvy with hardware, not software. Either way, I'm a bit leery of installing drivers that haven't been completely tested, especially since the default drivers aren't XP signed (so XP was leery of me installing them in the first place).

          Also, as an aside, laptop devices aren't the same as desktop devices. Specifically, the drivers will be very different. So the fact that your husband's laptop-based device was working properly isn't really related.
          I still don't see how that automatically places blame on the wireless network instead of my adapter. Also, this adapter, when installed on my hubby's laptop, behaved just the same as when installed on my desktop. But I understand that they're not really related.

          ... and the fact that they were outsourced is pretty much irrelevant to the post, except for the one that was so heavily accented that you had to ask her to repeat things constantly, and then it's not that she was outsourced so much as that she didn't speak very clearly.
          Eh, sorry about that then. I thought it more of an interesting note, though I do think it was the woman's accent that hindered conversation. Even when she spoke slowly and, supposedly, clearly, it still came across somewhat garbled. And she sounded annoyed by my constant requests for her to repeat herself.
          Last edited by Kogarashi; 04-14-2008, 04:47 AM.
          "Enough expository banter. It's time we fight like men. And ladies. And ladies who dress like men. For Gilgamesh...IT'S MORPHING TIME!"
          - Gilgamesh, Final Fantasy V

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          • #6
            I use the same exact product for my computer at home. I have the same exact problems. I do not look forward to my support call.
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            • #7
              Quoth Kogarashi View Post
              Back when I was single, Comcast kept trying to tell us that our modem was causing our flake-outs, despite all evidence pointing to one of their local nodes being down.
              We had that same problem with Charter. Nevermind that the house across the street had the same exact problems. Oh, no, it was obviously something wrong with our TV.

              Quoth Kogarashi View Post
              Okay, I'll admit that I hadn't. I didn't honestly think that it would've affected the adapter's performance so suddenly or dramatically.
              I'm not surprised that drivers aren't your issue, but sometimes, they can be. I've had instances where there would be some update for something else I used (such as the OS), and suddenly I'd have to update something else in my system to fix whatever problem was introduced by the first update.

              Quoth Kogarashi View Post
              Also, this adapter, when installed on my hubby's laptop, behaved just the same as when installed on my desktop. But I understand that they're not really related.
              If they're installed properly, they should be indistinguishable from one another in how they work. If they weren't different, you wouldn't need one for laptops.

              But that's neither here nor there since the original complaint was about responses that had nothing to do with the queries, techs who refuse to even consider the idea that maybe there is something wrong with the equipment, and people who get pissy because you can't understand them when it's largely an issue of them no enunciating.

              ^-.-^
              Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

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              • #8
                And I do thank you for your responses, Andara. If the replacement arrives and gives me the same issues, I may just try the drivers just to be sure before swearing off this company's adapters.

                Good luck, unclejampuff. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.
                "Enough expository banter. It's time we fight like men. And ladies. And ladies who dress like men. For Gilgamesh...IT'S MORPHING TIME!"
                - Gilgamesh, Final Fantasy V

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                • #9
                  My advice for future purposes would be to avoid using USB devices for networking purposes. USB networking products tend to be less-than-desirable. I'm a software guy, so I don't know WHY it is the case, but PC-based cards tend to be more reliable than USB-based solutions for working (based on my experience and complaints from other friends).

                  The effort to open up your machine, put in a new card, and have it there mounted neatly is very much worth it.

                  Oh, and don't hesitate to call them. That's why they are there. You're only cheating yourself if you don't.

                  And, yes, that last tech was completely full-of-it when she said they disconnect all-the-time. Um, NO, they don't.
                  Last edited by Broomjockey; 04-15-2008, 11:51 PM. Reason: merged
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                  • #10
                    Thanks, marasbaras.

                    The main reason I don't want to get the internal card is not that I don't want to open up my computer and work with it (I'm manually installing a hard drive once I get the right power adapter for it, after all), it's that the cards tend to have an antenna on the back, which--with my computer case sitting on the floor--would put said antenna right in grasping range of my baby. She's fine with not touching buttons or the fan on the side, but I'm worried that such a new and grabbable object on the computer would tempt her too much. Unfortunately, my case is far too heavy to put up on anything, even if I had something to put it on (which I don't). ::sigh::

                    However, got the e-mail this morning that the replacement shipped, so we'll see. ::determined look::
                    "Enough expository banter. It's time we fight like men. And ladies. And ladies who dress like men. For Gilgamesh...IT'S MORPHING TIME!"
                    - Gilgamesh, Final Fantasy V

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                    • #11
                      This may or may not be better but I have a antenna with a base and cord that I have used before, your baby would just see annother cord hanging out the back and you can put the antenna out of reach.
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                      • #12
                        Quoth Andara Bledin View Post
                        My favorite experience is when the tech for Earthlink tried to tell us that dial up didn't require DNS information.
                        For dialup, typically DNS info is obtained via DHCP - like the dynamic IP address, subnet mask and gateway. Perhaps the tech wasn't able to explain that, but that is usually the case.

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                        • #13
                          Well, see, the problem was that something on their end wasn't set up properly for us to use dialup for our account (which we were ok'd for due to issues with the connectivity for our DSL). The tech in question denied that there was a problem and was very condescending.

                          The reason that it even came up was that the tech was being an ignorant ass and kept claiming the problem was on our end and Nekojin was trying to explain how we knew it was actually a networking issue on their end.

                          The tech that we got when we called back ('cause the original asshole disconnected us instead of escalating, although it might have been due to incompetence) figured out immediately that our problem was in the account settings and fixed it within about two mintues.

                          ^-.-^
                          Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

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                          • #14
                            Quoth IvorTangrean View Post
                            This may or may not be better but I have a antenna with a base and cord that I have used before, your baby would just see annother cord hanging out the back and you can put the antenna out of reach.
                            So are this antenna and cord hooked up to a card in the back of the computer? Because what I've currently got is an adapter that can either plug directly into a USB port (which I don't do because Baby would immediately grab and break it), or can plug into a base that is essentially a USB port on the end of a long cable (which itself plugs into a USB port on my computer). If it's part of a card, I'll have to look into it if the replacement adapter doesn't work any better.
                            "Enough expository banter. It's time we fight like men. And ladies. And ladies who dress like men. For Gilgamesh...IT'S MORPHING TIME!"
                            - Gilgamesh, Final Fantasy V

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