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  • My niece's 4th grade teacher

    I got this from my mom, who got it from my niece's mother, so it's...about...third or fourth hand at this point. But I thought it worth sharing anyway.

    D - my niece
    T - her teacher
    B - another boy in D's class

    T is pregnant and due in December, so my niece's mom thinks that a lot of this is due to hormones.

    Story #1:

    T has this weird rule for her students. At the end of the day, when they're lining up to go outside to get on the bus/meet their parents, they have to fold their hands in front of them (like they're praying) and have a big smile on their face. If they don't do this, they're not allowed to leave the classroom.

    This rule got put to the test recently when a boy decided not to smile while he was getting in line. T told him he had to smile, that was the rule. The boy didn't make any reply, but also didn't smile. T then told the entire class that none of them were going to be allowed to leave because this boy was breaking the rule.

    Of course, the kids got pretty upset with this. It was the end of the day and many of them had buses to catch, or else parents to meet outside. T threatened to keep all the kids in the class and make them miss their bus/parents because this one boy wouldn't smile. Of course, it was an empty threat, she would have been in big trouble if she had really caused 25 kids to not get home on time, so she did eventually let the rest of the class go. But she did keep the boy behind and had a "talk" with him about rules and how they have to be followed.

    I think the rule itself is a little weird, but to make a threat like that to a bunch of 8 and 9 years olds -- what is that going to teach them? I always hated how when one or two kids would do something wrong, the rest of the class -- who were generally well behaved -- would get punished for it.

    Story #2:

    A couple days later, during worktime in class, another boy, B, came up to T and said that one of the kids was calling him "Mitchell." His name is not "Mitchell" and he told this kid that, but the kid kept calling him "Mitchell" and now he was upset. T asked him who it was, and B said it was D. So T took D out into the hallway and the following conversation took place:

    T: D, why are you calling B "Mitchell?" That is not his name.
    D: I wasn't even talking to B.
    T: He said you were calling him "Mitchell."
    D: I was not, I wasn't even talking to him.
    T: D, are you lying to me? You had better not be lying to me.
    D: I'm not lying to you! I wasn't talking to B!
    T: We'll see about that!

    So T went back into the classroom and got B and brought him out into the hallway with D.

    T: B, is this the girl who was calling you "Mitchell?" You said it was D.
    B: No, it's not THIS D, it's the OTHER D.

    Yeah, apparently there are two students with the same name in the classroom, and T didn't bother to ask the boy which one was bothering him. Plus, she never apologized to D for the mistake or accusing her of lying.

  • #2
    I'm slow to criticize teachers because of the incredibly tough and important job they do, but there are certainly a f*cked-up few who get into teaching (and a few other jobs, like law enforcement) for some strange power/ego trip and enjoy nothing more than the making of and adherence to rules. I've met a few who made my life hell, thats for sure.

    I can sorta-kinda understand the second issue, but the first is pretty strange. That really smacks of the power trip.
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    • #3
      I come from a family of teachers, so I'm usually on their side. But...can we say "power trip"? That first rule is just weird. I suspect it's so people think the teacher's doing a great job. I also suspect it's backfiring miserably.

      And I've never liked teachers to try to use peer pressure to do their jobs.

      As for not apologizing in the second story, unfortunately, a lot of teachers think they don't ever have to apologize to a child for anything. Make that, a lot of adults think they don't ever have to apologize to a child for anything. They're usually the first to complain when a child doesn't apologize for something, of course.
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      • #4
        I would have been butting heads with that teacher every day of the school year. That first rule would have put my back up like nothing else. Good thing I'm way, way, way past that age.
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        • #5
          Sounds like every teacher I ever had from K-4.

          I remember one teacher (Rot in hell Mrs. Gemski) was watching our lunch room period. She had a "rule" that you had to eat ALL of your food. You could not throw any of it away. And she checked everyone's bags and boxes to be sure.
          I wasn't feeling well one day and could not finish my lunch (cream cheese and jelly sandwich) and threw most of it in the trash, no wrapper or bag, just the sandwich.
          She made me take it back out of the garbage and eat it in front of her. I felt a lot sicker after that, for some reason.

          BITCH!
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          • #6
            Quoth Sheldonrs View Post
            Sounds like every teacher I ever had from K-4.

            I remember one teacher (Rot in hell Mrs. Gemski) was watching our lunch room period. She had a "rule" that you had to eat ALL of your food. You could not throw any of it away. And she checked everyone's bags and boxes to be sure.
            I wasn't feeling well one day and could not finish my lunch (cream cheese and jelly sandwich) and threw most of it in the trash, no wrapper or bag, just the sandwich.
            She made me take it back out of the garbage and eat it in front of her. I felt a lot sicker after that, for some reason.

            BITCH!
            PLEASE tell me you told your mom about that!!!

            I understand teachers can have a stressful job (but who doesnt?!), at the same time..REQUIRING the students to smile and be in a certain position before going home is just weird. There's something diabolical in there. Scary.

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            • #7
              The first rule, albeit weird, actually reminds me of a teambuilding exercise. In Field Training, we had to do everything the same. It wasn't for some diabolical reason; it was that, when we started doing things the same way, or in a case like this when someone wasn't following the rules-the equal punishment of the group motivated us to help the other person do it right.

              Of course, for 8-9 yr olds, the lesson is probably lost.

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              • #8
                Mmm, my usual argument with teachers tends to pretty much state the following

                "Like every job, there are those who are bad at their job and those who utilise it for criminal purposes (i.e. a plumber selling copper pipe on the black market). No job is perfect."

                This teacher just sounds bad. The weirdest rule we had was in my Year 4 class. Two kids thought it'd be funny to count down the minutes on the clock and then mimic a wrestling referee (with the 1,2,3 bit). Teacher wasn't too pleased-apparaently we were meant to pull a Miss Hoover. ("Since we have fifteen minutes until recess, please put down your pencils and stare blankly at the front of the room.") Those two kids received a punishment the next day.
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                • #9
                  Something similar to the second story happened with my brother. Let me just say, his principal was a bitch. Oh she was sugar and sweetness and had a wonderful reputation, but she also played favorites and my little brother was not a favorite. Brother had ADHD. He was on medication, had changes to diet and certain classroom adjustments (different seats in class to reduce distractions, a little more teacher-student interaction to keep him on track, etc). But he was still hyper and tended to get loud and in trouble a lot. Which is why Mrs. Bitch didn't like him.

                  She would instantly react to any so-called problems and call in my parents for conference. One day my parents were called to the school, which means Dad had to leave work. You see, principal was outraged that brother dear said a terrible word. How dare he, he can't say things like that in class! Apparently he kept saying the word "penis". With all the drama, my parents had been expecting much worse. They certainly didn't anticipate the sudden tirade on how my brother should have his medication increased, etc etc etc. (Sadly, the suggestion for more drugs was a regular "recommendation" )

                  During the lecture, bro's teacher showed up. The principal tells teach to inform my parents what my brother said. The response? "Oh, that wasn't B, that was another student."

                  Principal's response? "Oh, really? Well, never mind then. Thanks for coming in." Yeah. Words can't describe how pissed my Mom was. No apology, nothing.

                  It's also interesting how bro's 5th grade teacher thought he was "Such a wonderful student who contributes such interesting ideas to class!" Each teacher is unique. Some handle "problem" children exceptionally well and others only work well with perfect beings. Sorry for the threadjack.
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                  • #10
                    I am going to be one of Those kinds of parents. I just know it.

                    First of all, the smile thing. That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard, and if I found out someone was trying to do that to my kid, I think I'd encourage her to give every kid in her class a five to refuse to smile. And then I'd pull out my wallet.

                    And the eating out of the trash can thing? Hahahahahahahah...yeah. There would be flashing red lights, flashing blue lights, and film at eleven.

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                    • #11
                      Quoth RecoveringKinkoid View Post
                      As God is my witness ...
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                      Regarding bad teachers, a friend was taught in the early years by nuns in Ireland. They made the students have their paper aligned with the edge of the desk when they wrote. My wife showed the friend how to write with the paper aligned with her direction of writing, a slanted position. Writing suddenly became a lot easier for our friend.
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                      • #12
                        Weird.. maybe just hormones but still not really an excuse.

                        I'm not paticularly slow to critisize teachers. Yea ok they have a tough job. But my bigger concern is how MANY REALLY wanted to be teachers?

                        I have... 4 friends currently going to teachers college because they went to university for various things (history, english, geography/enviromental science and hmm... i believe english lit). and got out with their fancy degrees and then realized... there are NO jobs for them (well their are but it's like. 1 job for the 1000 graduates so companies can be VERY picky).

                        so all these friends are going through teachers college now to be teachers.
                        None of them WANTED to be teachers but they need a job that pays more than $8/hr.

                        so im wondering how good or dedicated any of them will actually BE to any of their future students?
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                        • #13
                          Quoth MergedLoki View Post
                          I'm not paticularly slow to critisize teachers. Yea ok they have a tough job.
                          and some just like to make it tougher for no good reason.


                          as for the smiling thing I had a teacher make fun of me because I didn't smile all that often. That's right I had a teached make fun of me in front of the entire class in HIGHSCHOOL.
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                          • #14
                            What, that didnt' make you feel like smiling?

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                            • #15
                              Teachers not apologizing; reminds me of a teacher I had for 5th grade.

                              We were all in groups, working on projects, when one of the male students got upset with his group and started screaming some bad words. I had my head down ignoring it it when suddenly I was being dragged by my arm from my chair, out the classroom and down the hall. The teacher grabbed me and was taking me to the principal's office because he thought it had been ME swearing! Granted, the student and I actually did sound alike. Luckily another student ran out of the room and told the teacher it wasn't me, it was the male student. So the teacher dragged him to the principal instead. I was crying because my arm hurt afterwards, and the teacher's apology was more of a 'don't tell your parents!'
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