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  • Tire Alignment Woes

    This one's a bit older, but still annoying to this day.

    Background: I'm a classic car owner. Those of you who aren't need to understand this about our "type" in this story: My car was my first love. I baby it like I would my own son. I hate letting ANYONE touch, drive or look at my car unless I know and trust them explicitly. The only thing that comes before my car is my wife (no, I'm not a daddy either). For this reason, it annoys me to have to turn my keys over to mechanics.

    When I first moved here, I had to pay to have the suspension replaced as I had neither the tools nor the time to do the repairs myself. (tools were still in limbo somewhere with the moving company, and was still more or less homeless living in a friend's basement in a new state, starting a new job, and looking for a place to live.)

    After this was done, my bank account was shot, so I couldn't afford to have the tires aligned. I later pulled an airhead move and let it slip from my mind. Fast forward a few months, and I notice my tires are bald, and remembered I never had the alignment redone after the suspension replacement. I went to my trusted guys for new tires (Discount Tires - highly recommended, and have always done me right.) then went looking for someone to do the alignment, since they don't do that.

    </background>

    I made the mistake of going to a nearby place that I should have known was shady. I get the car back, and after a few days, stuff isn't right. Every so often, while braking, the car pulls to the right, and steering isn't what it should have been (took more force than normal). I took the car back, and the following happened:

    Manager: It wasn't us. You must have done something to it. Hit any curbs recently?
    Me: There's no way in hell I've hit a curb in my car. It started acting up all on it's own. Maybe your tech got sidetracked and forgot to tighten down the locking bolt after adjusting things?
    Manager: No way this happened.
    Me: Explain the symptoms, and the excessive tire wear for the tires being less than 1 month old.
    Manager: Your tires should have been replaced at 2,000 miles.
    Me: Given. This car is rated for rotation every 6,000. The tires have less than 500. Therefore they aren't scheduled. That is excessive, no?
    Manager: Well, I'll have them take a look, but there's nothing we can do for you.

    *20 minutes passes*

    *Manager hands me a paper showing everything was to spec and nothing was changed*
    Me: This shows nothing was done.
    Manager: Right. Everything was to spec.
    Me: Ok...what about the symptoms, and the tire wear? You guys were the last ones to work on this car. I haven't so much as replaced oil in this car since.
    Manager: It's all correct. You should rotate your tires when you're scheduled to.
    Me: ...I do. Once again, the tires have LESS THAN 500 MILES ON THEM. Are you saying I need to rotate tires every time I drive around the block?
    Manager: What was the mileage when you came in here last?
    Me: *gives mileage from log book*
    Manager: Well, I saw that there was excessive wear on the inner shoulder of the tires. You should keep your tires inflated.
    Me: Err. You obviously know nothing about cars. Overinflation shows as wear in the middle of the tire. Under is on BOTH shoulders, not just inner. Inner shoulder wear indicates misalignment, which I do believe is YOUR job, no?
    Manager: Well there's nothing else I can help with then. *leaves before I can reply*

    I gave up and just rotated the tires when I got home. When I pulled out of the parking lot, I tested things, and everything was as it should have been originally. Someone screwed up, then lied to cover their tracks, but there isn't much to be done sadly, beyond go to the BBB. Definitely won't go back there again, though.
    Coworker: Distro of choice?
    Me: Gentoo.
    Coworker: Ahh. A Masochist. I thought so.

  • #2
    Back when I was in school, say around '91, I had a 1987 Pontiac 6000. Far from a "classic", but it had four wheels and a motor and was fairly reliable. One day I had something replaced in the front end, I forget what, and the mechanic told me that he's got it drivable, but I should go get it aligned first thing. I note that he has an alignment machine in his last bay, which is the bay he rents out to the body guy, and ask why he can't do the alignment himself. His response: "Because I'm not a crook."

    Interesting answer, that. I drive off; on the way home I pass by one of these muffler joints, and note that there's a sign out front advertising alignments for $29.95. I pull in there and the guy puts the car up on the lift. "Oh, this one is going to cost you $89.95." "How come? Sign says $29.95." "Well, I need to replace these bolts with eccentric bolts before I can do the alignment. Once they are replaced, the next time it will be $29.95." I reach up to the car on the lift, open the back door, and pull out the original thousand-page Helm shop manual which I kept back there. Flip to the section on alignments. "This is GM's recommended procedure for wheel alignment on this specific model car. Where does it say in here that you need eccentric bolts?" He sees the manual and starts backpedalling like mad. "Well, you don't really need them, it just makes the alignment a lot easier, you only have to loosen the bolt and shake the wheels, and it aligns itself." (I think this is what he said, it's a long time ago. If not that, something equally implausible.) I said "So basically you want me to pay you an extra $60 to make your job easier?" He didn't have an answer for that. "Look, just take my car down off the lift and let me get out of here, all right?" Fortunately he hadn't unbolted anything yet, and I was able to get gone. Went to my father's mechanic, who did the alignment for $45. He didn't say anything about eccentric freaking bolts, either.

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    • #3
      I have been so incredibly fortunate to find my mechanic. His original shop was catty-corner to my first apartment in Southern California. One day, my check engine light came on, and I panicked; the car didn't act weird, but the light was on, so I just took it across the street to him. Now, I know next to nothing about cars. They could have told me that just about anything was wrong with it. But about five minutes after looking at it, the guy comes out, explains that the light was on because I'd lost my gas cap (had happened a couple days prior, and I hadn't had a chance to replace it yet). They only charged me for a new cap, no labor. I've taken my car to them ever since (except for basic oil changes--their new shop is about a twenty minute drive from my house, so I get the oil changed a little closer to home), and never been less than thrilled. They always give me a fair quote before starting work, and are often able to do the work for less than quoted. The mechanics are always friendly, and are happy to explain to me exactly what they're doing. In fact, last time I went in, when my car completely died, they not only fixed the part (stupid cam shaft), but helped me come up with a list of other repairs that needed to be done, and recommended which items were the most important to fix first.

      I don't intend to EVER take my car to anyone else for repairs.
      "Eventually, everything that you have said becomes everything you will ever say." Eireann

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      • #4
        Nothing more to do?

        You can stop payment on your check, or file a credit card dispute.

        It's that, or let them continue to behave this way with no consequences.

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        • #5
          Hey Midorikawa, maybe you should just shut it and get rid of the Duster already and buy a REAL car.

          (Not a flame, he's a friend I enjoy picking on about his car which never works right. TeeHee)
          Getting offended is a great way to avoid answering questions that make you sound dumb. - exmocaptainmoroni

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          • #6
            Quoth Mystic View Post
            Hey Midorikawa, maybe you should just shut it and get rid of the Duster already and buy a REAL car.

            (Not a flame, he's a friend I enjoy picking on about his car which never works right. TeeHee)
            You'd have a field day with my friend, he's a Fiat fanatic!
            I used to be disgusted... Now I'm just amused

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            • #7
              Quoth ta2ooed1 View Post
              You'd have a field day with my friend, he's a Fiat fanatic!
              Laughs, "Could be worse, if everything goes right, Friday i'll be picking up an '80 Vanagon that's worth every penny of the $450 being asked... i think. Finally get a VW van, which i love."
              Seph
              Taur10
              "You're supposed to be the head of covert intelligence. Right now, I'm not seeing a hell of a lot of intelligence. Covert, overt, or otherwise!"-Lochley, B5, A View from the Gallery

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              • #8
                Quoth Mystic View Post
                Hey Midorikawa, maybe you should just shut it and get rid of the Duster already and buy a REAL car.

                (Not a flame, he's a friend I enjoy picking on about his car which never works right. TeeHee)
                Mystic, you shut your trap...you can't really talk with that piece Ford you drive. Thing's a time bomb waiting to go off. :-P
                Coworker: Distro of choice?
                Me: Gentoo.
                Coworker: Ahh. A Masochist. I thought so.

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                • #9
                  250,000 miles and still running fantastic begs to differ.
                  Getting offended is a great way to avoid answering questions that make you sound dumb. - exmocaptainmoroni

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                  • #10
                    Quoth ta2ooed1 View Post
                    You'd have a field day with my friend, he's a Fiat fanatic!
                    LOL you do realize that FIAT stands for "Fix It Again, Tony," and that Fiat was the inventor of the world's first self-recycling car
                    Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines. --Enzo Ferrari

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                    • #11
                      Well I can't talk much about my ol' car (*coughcough*itsaford*coughcough*), but she's decently new, has 4WD and can haul lots of crap.

                      Anywho, back on topic. What they did was bs and I'd definitely complain to BBB at the very least. On the upside, they didn't charge you for the second visit, so essentially you did get your tires aligned, it just took two visits to do it. Not sure if you can cancel the payment as you did receive the services. I'd just find someone better to go to. Best thing I've found is to ask around to see who's honest. That's how I found my mechanic

                      (sidestory) My mechanic's shop has been in his family for 4 generations and the current owner is the grandfather of two girls I went to school with, father-in-law of my art teacher from the same school, and the sweetest guy you could ever want to meet. I have been known to limp my car the 45 minute drive to the town where my parents live just so I know he (or one of his family) will be the one working on it.(/end sidestory)

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                      • #12
                        Quoth Indigo View Post
                        Well I can't talk much about my ol' car (*coughcough*itsaford*coughcough*), but she's decently new, has 4WD and can haul lots of crap.

                        Anywho, back on topic. What they did was bs and I'd definitely complain to BBB at the very least. On the upside, they didn't charge you for the second visit, so essentially you did get your tires aligned, it just took two visits to do it. Not sure if you can cancel the payment as you did receive the services. I'd just find someone better to go to. Best thing I've found is to ask around to see who's honest. That's how I found my mechanic

                        (sidestory) My mechanic's shop has been in his family for 4 generations and the current owner is the grandfather of two girls I went to school with, father-in-law of my art teacher from the same school, and the sweetest guy you could ever want to meet. I have been known to limp my car the 45 minute drive to the town where my parents live just so I know he (or one of his family) will be the one working on it.(/end sidestory)
                        I have a trustworthy mechanic, but he doesn't do tire alignments, nor does he do tires. I have found a trustworthy tire alignment guy since, though.
                        Coworker: Distro of choice?
                        Me: Gentoo.
                        Coworker: Ahh. A Masochist. I thought so.

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