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    So I'm in the local BJ's warehouse club and I notice something called "Pingi" which is designed to help remove moisture from areas. It's a three pack with three different sizes.

    I go up and look at it and I even give the largest one a squeeze. Yup, I can make a very educated guess as to what it is.

    Years ago someone thought to package Silica Gel crystals as kitty litter. This was a pretty major deal for the hobbyist trade as there are numerous applications that could benefit from a decent desiccant in large quantities. Flower drying comes to mind, as does the drying of herbs.

    It has also found use in the Self-Storage industry where you can buy a tub of the crystals and stick it into your storage unit to keep the moisture down. It is also mentioned several times in the RV and Boat owners forums as a great way to keep the moisture down when you put away a boar or an RV away for the winter.

    Nothing worse than opening your toy after a long winter and having to deal with black mold and mildew.

    So this product annoyed me a little bit. Yeah, it's capitalism at its finest and you have to give props to the guy that managed to package it with a cute logo and make money, but it's something that people have been doing for years without needing the cute penguin logo.

    But that annoyance didn't cause me to do anything more than pick it up, squeeze it to feel what it was made out of, raise an eyebrow and give a Malcom Reynolds-ish "Huh".

    The suck of the story is coming in soon. Be patient.

    As I say "Huh", another person comes along and looks at the item in my hand and asks "I wonder how they do that?". To which I explain that it's simply the Silica Gel that you can get as cat litter (pointing to the product sitting in the racks one aisle over) and putting it into a cloth bag to let it absorb the moisture out of the air. Rather like the little sachets you find in Electronics packages.

    Enter the sucktomer. A third party enters the fray and starts ripping into me for "stealing the patent". He's claiming (loudly) that I stole the patent and am planning to steal money from the hard working people who developed this product.

    When he finally runs out of breath I tear into him back.

    Me -
    SC - The ones whom we all know and loathe

    Me - Do you own that company?
    SC - No
    Me - Then you have no say in the matter.

    Me - Secondly there is no patent as of right now. This says that the patent is pending. Meaning that either it is not yet approved, or that it has not even been applied for and they're thinking about it...maybe. Patent Pending is one of those buzz words that anyone can put on a package to give it an air of legitimacy.

    Me - Thirdly, I can show internet forums going back to the late 90's that discuss how to use the kitty litter by shoving a bag of that crap into an old pillowcase and chucking it into the RV before closing it up for the winter. Long before this company started selling it to the random people on the street that have no need to look at RV forums.

    Me - And finally if you want to get into a legal cock-fight over this I'm Mongo Skruddgemire and if you can get a lawyer to take your case over something that you do not have any vested interest in...bring it on.

    At that point I pointed my cart toward the self-checkout and rang up my soda and left.
    I never lost my faith in humanity. Can't lose what you never had right?

  • #2
    Uh, yeah, that guy has too much time on his hands. I've been accused of the weirdest stuff by random strangers, as if they know me at all. Totally perplexing how they find it necessary to lecture me. It's usually senior citizens.
    "Is it hot in here to you? It's very warm, isn't it?"--Nero, probably

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    • #3
      Geez, so because you know how it works, you're stealing a patent?

      That explains a mechanic I had the misfortune of encountering.

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      • #4
        besides, even if it was patented copying the idea for your own personal creation would get you... no legal trouble.

        seriously. no lawyer has the time to track down every person with a personal project in their own home that they're using for their own needs

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        • #5
          Quoth PepperElf View Post
          besides, even if it was patented copying the idea for your own personal creation would get you... no legal trouble.
          For that matter, if it was patented, copying the idea to describe to random passersby would be absolutely legal. A patent includes full public disclosure.

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          • #6
            Quoth Argus View Post
            For that matter, if it was patented, copying the idea to describe to random passersby would be absolutely legal. A patent includes full public disclosure.
            Fuck! I wish I remembered that when I was dealing with the dumbass. That would have REALLY pwned him.
            I never lost my faith in humanity. Can't lose what you never had right?

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            • #7
              Quoth Argus View Post
              For that matter, if it was patented, copying the idea to describe to random passersby would be absolutely legal. A patent includes full public disclosure.
              Which is why a lot of recipies for products such as Coca Cola have never been patented.

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              • #8
                Quoth Legal Eagle View Post
                Which is why a lot of recipies for products such as Coca Cola have never been patented.
                Exactly. The soda patents are on the bottling techniques not the recipe. Kinda hard to put a patent on something anyone can whip up in their own kitchen from regular ingredients.

                All you really need is some kind of sparkling water (or device to add C02), and then the flavors, sweeteners, and colors of your choice.

                history of soda
                Last edited by PepperElf; 03-13-2012, 03:56 PM.

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                • #9
                  My favorite patent story:

                  http://gizmodo.com/380055/blue-jeans...o-bloody-death
                  Labor boards have info on local laws for free
                  HR believes the first person in the door
                  Learn how to go over whackamole bosses' heads safely
                  Document everything
                  CS proves Dunning-Kruger effect

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                  • #10
                    omg. i actually got through maybe a little over 1/2 of that before my brain said "tl;dr!"
                    which i suspect is the author's intent...

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                    • #11
                      my mother used to take snips of panty hose and tie up small amounts of the silica cat litter into them, and toss them in various storage boxes.

                      I wonder what that guy would've done if he'd seen my mother doing that. bwahahahahaha
                      By popular request....I am now officially the Enemy of Normalcy.

                      "What is unobtainium? To Seraph, it's a normal client. :P" -- Observant Friend

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                      • #12
                        Quoth PepperElf View Post
                        omg. i actually got through maybe a little over 1/2 of that before my brain said "tl;dr!"
                        which i suspect is the author's intent...
                        He's a former attorney. They're used to writing a lot and spelling out the details. And I love a good legal slapdown.

                        It came down to Monster Cable threatening him basically because he made cables that competed with theirs, over something that wasn't patentable and hadn't been patented, and he told them exactly why they were full of it, and to go ahead, give it your best shot. Monster backed down.
                        Labor boards have info on local laws for free
                        HR believes the first person in the door
                        Learn how to go over whackamole bosses' heads safely
                        Document everything
                        CS proves Dunning-Kruger effect

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                        • #13
                          Quoth Slayer View Post
                          That explains a mechanic I had the misfortune of encountering.
                          Unless that mechanic happens to be named Nicolaus Otto, Karl Benz, Rudolf Diesel, or Felix Wankel...he can go fuck himself. Those guys might have something to say about it
                          Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines. --Enzo Ferrari

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                          • #14
                            Quoth protege View Post
                            Unless that mechanic happens to be named Nicolaus Otto, Karl Benz, Rudolf Diesel, or Felix Wankel...he can go fuck himself. Those guys might have something to say about it
                            Sounds more likely that his name was George Selden. Guy made his living blackmailing automobile manufacturers by threatening to sue them for violating a patent he was granted in 1895, which turned out not to be for a manufacturable automobile. He did a land-office business until Henry Ford called his bluff, and the resulting lawsuit vacated his patent...

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                            • #15
                              Quoth protege View Post
                              Unless that mechanic happens to be named Nicolaus Otto, Karl Benz, Rudolf Diesel, or Felix Wankel...he can go fuck himself. Those guys might have something to say about it
                              You are a god among us unworthy humans.
                              If anyone breaks the three pint rule, they'll be running all night to the pisser and back.

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