Drunk patron gets hauled away by police with bag over his head

[NotAlBundy]

I didn't completely witness this one, only the end part. The rest was told to us by our server.

So, last weekend my friends and I attended a film festival/convention thing.

After the first day, we decided to wind down by catching a bite (and some drinks) at a local brewery. Said brewery is on a corner and has two entrances. In front of main entrance are two police cars and a handcuffed man, (HM) so we enter from the side.

After being seated, we asked our server what happened, and this is his story.

HM had run a large tab drinking at the bar. He did not want to pay. He tried to punch his server. After a small melee, he was escorted out and left on foot.

Police were called so they could file a complaint against the man.

Before the cops come back, HM comes back. He tries to then punch the manager of the brewery. FOUR servers manage to tackle him outside on the sidewalk. Shortly after that, the cops show up and start to take over and HM is well, handcuffed at this point.

And this is where we entered. Not much was going on, looked like the cops were taking statements and stuff, and then we see a commotion. HM is trying to escape and is spitting on the cops. They put a bag over his head (mostly just his mouth cause, duh, spitting) but the way he kept moving, the bag kept slipping over his whole head. Then it kinda looked like they put him in a straightjacket thing, the whole time he's still squirming. He winds up hitting his head several times on the concrete outside. It was a mess! Eventually he's hauled away and we finished our meal in peace.

(And I finished my weekend by drinking responsibly and paying all my bills... and doing jello shots with Colin Ferguson).

[FenigDurak]

What I wouldn't give to do a few jello shots *off* Colin Ferguson...

[NotAlBundy]

Don't give me any ideas for DragonCon... he already admitted to a roomful of fans that he was totally checking me out.

(It was in a joking way... not trying to sound arrogant, as I am fairly sure he WASN'T checking me out)

[PepperElf]

What I wouldn't give to do a few jello shots *off* Colin Ferguson...

Originally I thought, "Who in the world would want THAT?" Then I looked him up and realized I was confusing him with Craig Ferguson.

[Dasota]

I'd do them off of him too, but I like guys like him too.

[Crossbow]

What I wouldn't give to do a few jello shots *off* Colin Ferguson...

I am so not showing this thread to my wife.


And yes, PepperElf. Craig Ferguson and Colin Ferguson are VERY different.

[Irving Patrick Freleigh]

Those spit hoods (I think that's what they're called) can be deadly if the perp is especially agitated and moves the wrong way.

This happened in Wisconsin some years back. Some guy was picked up by the police acting like a twacked-out lunatic, started spitting on the cops, got one of those things placed over his head, and managed to asphyxiate himself. I forget what happened after that, but I'm sure there were lawsuits filed by the deceased's family; lawsuits I sincerely hope they didn't win.

[NotAlBundy]

Yeah, he was jerking around horribly. We were slightly worried about him. Well, my friend JJ was slightly worried about him. I just wanted the police to take him away!

[TopEndDave]

I used to do IT support for the Territory Police and got a tour of the watch house at the HQ. There was red stains on the wall in the prisoner book in/out room from prisoners hitting their heads against the wall. A prisoner would be lined up against the wall as the paperwork was being done. The prisoner would then hit head against the wall while screaming "Get off me. The police are attacking me. Call the ombudsman." Police officers would be no where near the prisoner and would point out the security camera. Prisoner then realises that there attempt to call police brutality has just failed and would stop. What was interesting is that enough idiots had tried it that there were quite a few stains and that they hit their head hard enough to bleed everywhere.

[fireheart]

I used to do IT support for the Territory Police and got a tour of the watch house at the HQ. There was red stains on the wall in the prisoner book in/out room from prisoners hitting their heads against the wall. A prisoner would be lined up against the wall as the paperwork was being done. The prisoner would then hit head against the wall while screaming "Get off me. The police are attacking me. Call the ombudsman." Police officers would be no where near the prisoner and would point out the security camera. Prisoner then realises that there attempt to call police brutality has just failed and would stop. What was interesting is that enough idiots had tried it that there were quite a few stains and that they hit their head hard enough to bleed everywhere.

Why do I have a feeling that most of said criminals were petrol-sniffers?

Oh and in regards to the spit hood, if a prisoner has his/her hands cuffed, is it possible for the spit hood to be drawn a certain distance closed so that the prisoner can still breathe? (i.e. not closed off tightly, but closed off enough to allow for the prisoner to breathe and not free themselves)

In regards to the jello shot thing (I have no idea who Colin or Craig Ferguson are), maybe you could do nantaimori?

[PepperElf]

I am so not showing this thread to my wife.


And yes, PepperElf. Craig Ferguson and Colin Ferguson are VERY different.

Indeed. Although I'd probably want to hang with Craig more. I like the accent and he's funny.

gotta have more than good looks to get my interest.

[Crossbow]

Indeed. Although I'd probably want to hang with Craig more. I like the accent and he's funny.

gotta have more than good looks to get my interest.

Go find the episode of TableTop on Youtube with Colin in it. He's not quite as manic as Craig is, but he is funny.

And yeah, maybe Craig does win on accent.

*EDIT* And just as I finished this, I spotted an "AskMeAnything" thread by Colin Ferguson over on Reddit.
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comment..._play_sheriff/

[Seshat]

This happened in Wisconsin some years back. Some guy was picked up by the police acting like a twacked-out lunatic, started spitting on the cops, got one of those things placed over his head, and managed to asphyxiate himself.

Oh and in regards to the spit hood, if a prisoner has his/her hands cuffed, is it possible for the spit hood to be drawn a certain distance closed so that the prisoner can still breathe? (i.e. not closed off tightly, but closed off enough to allow for the prisoner to breathe and not free themselves)

The big danger is not asphyxiation by strangulation - ie, not anything about tying the hood too tightly, or the fabric of the hood not allowing air through, or anything like that. A well-designed hood, used by intelligent & trained people, is safe ... IF.

If the person in it doesn't thrash around enough to cause even a well-designed hood to twist or wrinkle or something in just the wrong way.

If the person doesn't somehow manage to get enough of the hood fabric into their mouth to block their airway. (I can't imagine any non-deliberate way to do this, especially with a semi-rigid fabric like a canvas.)

If the person doesn't aspirate on their own vomit or spit. (The biggest problem with hooding drunks - drunks tend to vomit....)




If there's enough people handling the hooded person for one person to be free to do nothing but monitor their safety, it's reasonably safe - twists and wrinkles and swallowing-the-hood can be seen. And aspiration can be heard; so long as the hooded person isn't already making incoherent sounds that .. well, sound like choking on something.

But there usually isn't. So it becomes a question of "who do you protect"?

[Sapphire Silk]

Spit hoods are made of a mesh that allows air to flow freely; just blocks liquids.

However, you could choke on vomitus if you vomited in the hood. Prisoners are not supposed to be left in those hoods unsupervised for this reason, but sometimes are especially if they're in a restraint chair.

The hood should be removed as early as possible to prevent injury. Most prisoners "get it" quickly and comply. Some are thick headed and spit again, and the hood goes back on.

Any kind of restraint can be dangerous, which is why they should be used sparingly and removed as soon as the prisoner becomes complaint.

[Mr Hero]

What about jello-o shots off Turd Ferguson?