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  • Insurance run around.

    Back in July, I was involved in a car crash. No-one was injuried, but my car had to be sold for scrap. Lucky for me, I was able to get a new car quickly and everything has been going great...

    Well, scratch that. Everything has mostly gone ok, except for one thing:
    Insurance.
    I was insuranced, so no worries about that. The issue is with the excess I had to pay.

    My insurance company rang me up and told me that I had to pay $2000 excess. However, I have Asperger's Syndrome, so discussing about all that paperwork mumbo-jumbo is still something I have difficulty with (communication in general, but I am improving). So, my mum has been helping me out with it. I gave her permission to speak on my behalf.

    Now, problem number one:

    Mum: How do we go about paying my son's excess? Do we have to fill out some forms?"
    Insurance Person: "Oh, no you can just pay that all over the phone now."
    Mum "Well... no... I would like a receipt for this transaction."
    IP: "Oh... well... We don't have receipts for this kind of thing..."
    Mum: "Well, I would like some documentation of this transaction please. It is for my records on my spendings and to file as well."
    IP: "Well, we could send you a letter of excess."
    Mum: "Excellent. That would be more than enough proof."

    Now, here is some points to take in:
    We are asking for written acknowledgment that a sum of money has been received and what that money has gone towards.
    They wanted us to transfer 2000 dollars over the phone with no paper record or receipt.
    We have not received any paperwork prior to this. This has all occured over the phone.


    Anyway, we wait for the letter to arrive.
    Fast forward to October.
    Yes, that is correct... for 3 months, we haven't heard from them. No letter, no phone calls, no email.

    I get a phone call and it is them. This time, I have to talk to them, as my mum was not home at the time.
    However, I make clear a few things:
    My mum has been taking care of these things.
    I may not understand what they are talking about.

    From what I gathered from them... it is like they dropped my info behind the table and they are only dealing with it now. In other words... it doesn't seem as if they have even touched my info since July.

    So, they basically told me I need to pay the excess... but I tell them to send a letter of excess to us.
    I later tell my mum that they rang up and she contacted them.

    Problem number two:
    When she went to confirm my details.
    They got both my NAME and ADDRESS dead wrong.
    After that got all corrected out, my mum FINALLY got an email them containing my excess.

    On that email, my excess was 600 dollars. One day later, I got a letter, which contained the exact same excess ammount: 600 dollars.
    My mum and I didn't know what to make of it... But we decided to pay the sum that was on the letter.
    Why didn't we pay the 2000?
    Because we have not received any documentation stating we had to pay the 2000 dollars. We have 2 pieces of proof that state we only need to pay 600.


    A few days later, my mum gets a phone call...
    Its them again.

    IP: "Yeah, hi, we are ringing up about your excess. We have recieved it."
    Mum: "Oh good."
    IP: "However, you only have paid 600 dollars... you still owe us 1400 dollars."

    From there, the IP really turned into... well, an accurate attitude would be compared to the sterotype check-out chick who does her nails, sighs a lot and drags words out longer than necessary.
    "I'm sure YOU have made typos"
    "You do know these phone calls are RECORDED right?"
    "Your son seemed to understand us!" (I clearly stated my mum deals with this stuff, you idiot...)
    My mum wouldn't have any of it.

    For starters:
    They didn't send us any offical documents telling us we owed them 2000 dollars.
    They couldn't even send us a letter of excess.
    They didn't get in contact with us until 3 months had past.
    They got my name and address wrong (That part has me miffed the most...)
    When they finally DO send us the documentation, it is only 600 dollars.


    Also: I don't know about you guys... but typing 600 instead of 2000 (there are 3 numbers that seperate them. Decent space to notice that you hit the wrong number.) is a pretty damn big typo.

    It is still going on. But we have proof that we only had to pay 600... it is the only thing they had bothered to send us.
    Worse case, we will have to pay them the extra money (and they lose my family as a client).

    Strangely, I'm not overly worried by this...
    Just annoyed. I don't want to sound like an EW, but I don't feel like a valued customer.

    Ah well... Melbourne trip coming up makes me happy.
    Sucky Employees = The result of sucky customers getting a job...

  • #2
    That sounds fishy at most, terribly unprofessional at least, and I hope you end-up switching to another insurance company! What insurer doesn't give you a RECEIPT!!!!??? You can get a receipt for everything! Glad things mostly worked out for you.
    "If anyone wants this old box containing the broken bits of my former faith in humanity, I'll take your best offer now. You may be able to salvage a few of em' for parts..... " - Quote by Argabarga

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    • #3
      I'm already with a new insurance company (cheaper, more efficent).

      And yeah... it was like they expected us to had over 2 grand over the phone with no record of transaction.
      Sucky Employees = The result of sucky customers getting a job...

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      • #4
        My scammy sense is tingling.

        That aside: you chose an insurance policy with an excess of $2k?

        Normally where I am these things are stated upfront and you have a choice on the excess (which effects the premium but usually its much less on the premium than the extra excess is).
        I am so SO glad I was not present for this. There would have been an unpleasant duct tape incident. - Joi

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        • #5
          I'd say it sounds like someone is trying to pocket $1,400, but then again I have no confidence in humanity.

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          • #6
            Quoth Iseeyouthere View Post
            Just annoyed. I don't want to sound like an EW, but I don't feel like a valued customer.
            That's not how it sounds to me. The customer isn't always right as they like to claim, but they're not always wrong either. Sounds to me like you've tried as best you can to get them to meet your legitimate needs as their customer, nothing over the top, sucky, or entitled and they couldn't even get your name and address correct on top of screwing up all around.
            I mean, making a typo is one thing. But they at least need to bill you the correct amount. That type of mistake can lead someone to suspect a scam. That's what I thought as I read this. I don't have much trust in people and if they ask for $2000 on the phone but only provide documentation for $600, they are getting $600 until I see something in writing to show me I owe $2000.
            I'm sorry, but I've reached my maximum allowable exposure to stupidity limit for the day. I'll have to get back to you tomorrow.

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            • #7
              What insurance company was it? Even my parents insurance on their show vans (which they drove on a daily basis) didn't have that high an excess, and that was with the insurance for car enthusiasts. My brothers was only $800 with the same company and he was under 25 at the time.

              I'd like to know so I don't get my own insurance with them.

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              • #8
                Does Austrialia have an insurance commissioner or equivalent that overseas insurers in the area? Because you should file a complaint with them and possibly have them look over your documentation. If you owe the money, then you should pay the money, but the documentation should also be correct. It sounds like they can't get their act together and moving to a different insurer was the right choice to make.
                A lion however, will only devour your corpse, whereas an SC is not sated until they have destroyed your soul. (Quote per infinitemonkies)

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                • #9
                  Quoth LillFilly View Post
                  That sounds fishy at most, terribly unprofessional at least, and I hope you end-up switching to another insurance company! What insurer doesn't give you a RECEIPT!!!!??? You can get a receipt for everything! Glad things mostly worked out for you.
                  Judge Milian keeps saying use toilet paper and a crayon if you have to, but get a receipt!
                  It's floating wicker propelled by fire!

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                  • #10
                    In truth, I don't know much about the insurance company. My mum basically got insurance for herself, my sister and I all in one go, and she stated she would handle all of the paperwork until I was able to understand things like that (remember, Asperger's Syndrome).

                    I am getting better at understand these type of things, but until then, I rather leave this type of thing in the hands of someone who can understand them.

                    We will be resolving it later after my mum returns from a much needed break. She said she will be contacting management to find out whats going on.

                    The IP says she will send another letter, but we won't accept it. Mainly because we will need more proof now that we need to pay the 2000.
                    I'll be sure to keep it updated.

                    Who knows, this might become another war story.
                    Sucky Employees = The result of sucky customers getting a job...

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                    • #11
                      Quoth bainsidhe View Post
                      Does Austrialia have an insurance commissioner or equivalent that overseas insurers in the area? Because you should file a complaint with them and possibly have them look over your documentation. If you owe the money, then you should pay the money, but the documentation should also be correct. It sounds like they can't get their act together and moving to a different insurer was the right choice to make.
                      Yes, we have an Ombudsman for insurance. It's under the Financial Ombudsman Service.

                      $2000AU for excess sounds like the excess for a Lamborgini or a Rolls Royce or something fancy like that.

                      Note: once you hit 18 (if you haven't already), you'll need to formally give your mother financial power of attorney. Walk in to Legal Aid with her, explain that you have AS and have trouble understanding financial paperwork and want your Mum to be able to handle it for you, and they should be able to take care of the paperwork.
                      If you have a Health Care Card*, it'll probably be free or for a nominal fee.

                      * Note to non-Aussies: it wasn't intended that way originally, but the Health Care Card has ended up being a proof of genuine low income/genuine fiscal need. Most people too disabled to work have them, as do others in a genuine-need situation (such as carers who are too damn busy caring to have any income-producing job).
                      Seshat's self-help guide:
                      1. Would you rather be right, or get the result you want?
                      2. If you're consistently getting results you don't want, change what you do.
                      3. Deal with the situation you have now, however it occurred.
                      4. Accept the consequences of your decisions.

                      "All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools." - Anders, Dragon Age.

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                      • #12
                        Thats all taken care of Seshat. For now, I'm waiting to see what the next step will be.
                        Sucky Employees = The result of sucky customers getting a job...

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                        • #13
                          What is an "excess" for auto insurance? Is it similar to the "deductible" for US auto insurance? In the US the amount of the deductable is stated in the policy, not levied afterwards. It is also deducted from the insurance payment, not billed or collected later.
                          "I don't have to be petty. The Universe does that for me."

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                          • #14
                            Quoth Ironclad Alibi View Post
                            What is an "excess" for auto insurance? Is it similar to the "deductible" for US auto insurance? In the US the amount of the deductable is stated in the policy, not levied afterwards. It is also deducted from the insurance payment, not billed or collected later.
                            Basically its a fee charged at the point of the accident to the policy holder.

                            So if I have a deductible of £100 and I have an accident which needs bodywork of £500 I have to pay over the £100 to the repairer or the insurance company and then the insurance pays the rest (£400).

                            In a lot of cases where bodywork/repairs are needed there is no direct pay out to the insured party as the payout goes straight to the repairer - hence the need for the insured to pay the excess. In a total loss situation it would be deducted from the payout and the insured would receive £100 less than the full agreed settlement.
                            I am so SO glad I was not present for this. There would have been an unpleasant duct tape incident. - Joi

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                            • #15
                              Quoth Seshat View Post
                              $2000AU for excess sounds like the excess for a Lamborgini or a Rolls Royce or something fancy like that.
                              Or it was selected as a cheaper option for insuring a young driver. Higher excess is usually an option for cheaper premiums.

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