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  • Aggressive Pedestrian Blues Pt. 1

    Hello, All!

    As my login implies, I live in the gloriously crowded state of New Jersey in the good old U.S. of A., the only state in said United States with a population density exceeding that of Japan. We have a LOT of cars on our roads, and that makes life particularly challenging for pedestrians.

    I did without a car for almost three years (2003-2006) after my divorce, having been lucky enough to find a job close to a train station and an apartment even closer to another three stops down the line. I ended up that period in fairly good physical condition and in possession of THOUSANDS of alternately hilarious and depressing stories about drivers and their contempt for anything that might get in their way.

    The Story This Time: I am proceeding on foot across an intersection close to a major traffic circle (or roundabout, for our Euro-zone buddies). Traffic coming down towards the point at which I am crossing faces a STOP sign: Big red octagon, reflective letters spelling "S-T-O-P", the whole deal. In fact, since it's a one-way road, there are STOP signs on BOTH sides of the roadway...and I am crossing perpendicular to this arrangement, walking in the opposite direction of traffic like a good pedestrian should when there's no sidewalk.

    I assume that I have the right-of-way in this arrangement. I have been assured by worthy officers of the NJ State Police that yes indeed, I DO have the right-of-way in this arrangement.

    A small sedan comes screaming down the road towards the STOP signs. I do not scurry in the face of oncoming traffic...it demeans us all...unless, of course, I am leaping for my life...so this IDIOT has to brake hard and swerve, all while approaching a STOP sign. He comes to a stop halfway into the intersection and screams out his window, "IT'S NOT THAT KIND OF STOP SIGN!!!"

    Mrrrr?

    (That's the sound a dog makes when it tilts its head in confusion.)

    Pray tell, what kind of STOP sign is it? It certainly LOOKS like the standard red octagon with big reflective letters spelling "S-T-O-P"...

    Honestly, I was too dumbstruck by the depth and breadth of his stupidity to reply, and he drove away in a cloud of burnt rubber. Sometimes I wish he'd actually hit me. Not too hard, mind you...just a broken leg or something...but I would have ended up owning that sporty little car, along with his life savings, his house, and his kids' college fund.
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  • #2
    Ok I can see some idiot "thinking" that "well it's not one where pedestrians are supposed to cross". But a stop sign where you don't stop? This is confusing.

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    • #3
      Ok, I've seen signs under stop signs that say "Continuous right turn with caution, traffic does not have to stop when turning right." but um..that is a RIGHT turn, and it is POSTED. Stop means stop, doesn't mean run the pedestrian over..or except for the 'spechal' snowflakes. Glad you were not hurt.
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      • #4
        Quoth jerseyguy View Post
        traffic circle (or roundabout, for our Euro-zone buddies)
        It probably doesn't matter a whole lot, but roundabouts and traffic circles are two different things:

        A roundabout is smaller, and if it's more than one lane, the lanes are patterned in a spiral formation -- fresh traffic enters at the innermost lane, crossing the other lanes, and makes its way outwards as it approaches its exit. Here in appleton we have a special, goofy variant where it's two lanes for 270 degrees, but the remaining 90 are only one lane. The street entering the one-way is only two lanes, one in each direction, so it works out. I'd show you on street view, but their photos are so old they still show the stoplight-controlled intersection it replaced in 2009.

        A traffic circle is big, and literally, a road that's just a circle. They come in two flavors: stoplight-mediated, where each junction with a road is a stoplight, and freeway, where they're a highway interchange and vehicles enter by literally changing lanes into it.

        I think the meanings are the same over in europe, not sure. I'm an american myself.

        Mytical: There's a stop sign in the middle of neenah, after a bridge, right below it is a white sign that says "RIGHT TURN NO STOP". I've literally PEELED through that turn, right in front of a cop, and he didn't care.
        Last edited by roothorick; 09-12-2010, 07:29 AM.

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        • #5
          Hmmm, I wonder what the stop sign meant in HIS little world...

          BTW, my dog used to do the head-tilt 'huh?' all the time, and would do it if you did it!
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          • #6
            Over here there's only a real distinction between "roundabouts" which have a distinct centre, and "mini roundabouts" which only have a large blob of white paint on the road. The lanes on roundabouts don't form a physical spiral, but cars on them technically do.

            However, some of the larger and busier roundabouts do have traffic lights, most of which are only turned on during rush-hour. Otherwise the rule is "give way to traffic already on the roundabout".

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            • #7
              Just how many kinds of stop signs are there? I only know of one: the kind that says "you need to bring your car to a complete stop just behind THIS line here. Then only proceed if safe to do so AND you have the right of way." (But that's a bit much to fit on a street sign.)
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              • #8
                Quoth jerseyguy View Post
                As my login implies, I live in the gloriously crowded state of New Jersey in the good old U.S. of A., the only state in said United States with a population density exceeding that of Japan.
                I couldn't believe that, so I looked it up. And then my jaw dropped. No wonder traffic sucks so much here.

                BTW, we're not the only state. Just using Wikipedia, but: Japan has a population density of 336 people/square km. New Jersey and Rhode Island both exceed that.

                Wow. Learned something new. Thank you.

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                • #9
                  Quoth Pedersen View Post
                  I couldn't believe that, so I looked it up. And then my jaw dropped. No wonder traffic sucks so much here.

                  BTW, we're not the only state. Just using Wikipedia, but: Japan has a population density of 336 people/square km. New Jersey and Rhode Island both exceed that.

                  Wow. Learned something new. Thank you.
                  I never knew that either and my question is why.....
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                  • #10
                    This Density thing makes me wonder: Are they counting the overwhelming majority of the land area -- which is covered by all-but-uninhabitable mountains -- as part of this equation, or just the hills and flatt(er) lands?
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                    • #11
                      Looking up the "total land area" and "2010 population estimate" figures for Japan from Wikipedia gives me about 337 ppl/km^2, as above. So it does include the uplands.

                      For comparison, Great Britain comes out at 282 ppl/km^2, and Finland is closer to 16 ppl/km^2. (No, I'm not missing a digit from Finland's figure.)

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                      • #12
                        Quoth Chromatix View Post
                        For comparison, Great Britain comes out at 282 ppl/km^2, and Finland is closer to 16 ppl/km^2. (No, I'm not missing a digit from Finland's figure.)
                        And Canada has 3.4/km^2 Yet, we're the second-largest country in the world. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

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                        • #13
                          Quoth Salted Grump View Post
                          And Canada has 3.4/km^2 Yet, we're the second-largest country in the world. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
                          Oh good. That means you have some land you can give us ^_^
                          "For a musician, the SNES sound engine is like using Crayola Crayons. Nobuo Uematsu used Crayola Crayons to paint the Sistine Chapel." - Jeremy Jahns (re: "Dancing Mad")
                          "The difference between an amateur and a master is that the master has failed way more times." - JoCat
                          "Thinking is difficult, therefore let the herd pronounce judgment!" ~ Carl Jung
                          "There's burning bridges, and then there's the lake just to fill it with gasoline." - Wiccy, reddit
                          "Retail is a cruel master, and could very well be the most educational time of many people's lives, in its own twisted way." - me
                          "Love keeps her in the air when she oughta fall down...tell you she's hurtin' 'fore she keens...makes her a home." - Capt. Malcolm Reynolds, "Serenity" (2005)
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                          • #14
                            Not happening, Eric.

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                            • #15
                              Quoth Salted Grump View Post

                              There's a reason the Germans were Scared of us in Both World Wars.
                              Rabid attack beavers?

                              Maple syrup bombs?

                              Threats of releasing the Pink Camo-clad Nunavut Brigade?

                              Sternly worded letters from the Quebecois?

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