Greetings from iPhone Hell (European Edition)

[Nutjob R/T]

(when it comes to MP3 players, I have a Zen from Creative. Buy a media player from a company that builds sound based hardware for years).

I've got you beat for geek, I betcha.

My MP3 player turns into a little robot.

As do the headphones.

[Fraggle]

I just got told to 'go and fuck myself' by some customer because i told them the phone was only on o2.

Lovely.

So it was announced almost 2 weeks ago and i have yet to get one sane, nice person calling about this. Every call about the phone has been from some rude aggressive bastard.

You'd swear this thing was the fountain of youth and you have to sell your soul to get it.

Its on O2, its a done deal, get over it, screaming at me isn't going to change this.

[Geek King]

Like Andara said, I'd like to see some data. Just because the words of a friend of a friend who wastes (or makes a living) time on a computer trying to hack a less popular OS doesn't make it fact.

Okay, here you go, two guys who did it to a MacBook in about a minute in front of observers at the Black Hat conference:

http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquir...-in-60-seconds

And, to my shock, an entire forum devoted to hacking Macs:

http://www.machacking.net/kb/
Warning! I have not looked at all the links here, so I cannot speak to the full contents of the site. Some may be NSFW, as these sites get a little...odd sometimes.

[Andara Bledin]

And once you add people into the mix, you lose most of your safety. The majority of intrusions are started with basic social engineering.

^-.-^

[ArenaBoy]

Like Andara said, I'd like to see some data. Just because the words of a friend of a friend who wastes (or makes a living) time on a computer trying to hack a less popular OS doesn't make it fact.

And besides, no computer network is safe. EVER. This ranges from even the most diehard computer geek's setup to the Pentagon's (There was rumors that the Chinese military hacked it and a few years ago a UK hacker broke into NASA's system) All one needs is the right equipment and time. Lots and lots of time.

So case in point, no system is safe. Short of unplugging the network and going back to paper and filing cabinets, the only way is to just take the right measures.

Oh and the UK hacker link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2456403.stm

[Broomjockey]

MacOS isn't really safe.
.

Oh, I know it's not safe.

Okay, I've tried to put up with this, but it's happened in multiple threads now, so I have to ask. Am I just not clear enough with my rhetorical questions/statements? Because people keep answering them, multiple times, usually giving the same answer. And the answer is always what I was basically driving at with the question anyway. Is there some way I can make myself more clear? (Not rhetorical) I mean, I'm all for being backed up on a position, but it seems I'm usually being misunderstood. (See the car rental thread for a good example)

[Andara Bledin]

Here are some details Andara

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/windows/s...-os-246447.php

Also. I know that someone once decided to reveal a OSX bug a day for 30 days. He did the first few on time, but I wasn't following closely and don't know the end result of that project.

That's not exactly, well, any data at all. It's just a comment on something Symantec said in March.

And the "month of bugs" thing has been done for a number of different things, OSX being only one of them. Plus, I know that in the first week at least, Apple had fixes out for those bugs by the next day.

^-.-^

[T-Morksux]

i am actually using the iphone now, even to post this, and i love it, of course i was able to unlock mine and am not using it with AT&T. If people are really that concerned about it there are websites all over the place that will help you unlock it.

[yomiko]

I want supporting data. Otherwise, this is FUD.

Plus, is this "vulnerability found" or "vulnarability announced"?

^-.-^

Here are some details Andara

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/windows/s...-os-246447.php

Also. I know that someone once decided to reveal a OSX bug a day for 30 days. He did the first few on time, but I wasn't following closely and don't know the end result of that project.

[Mark Healey]

But we're talking about Steve Jobs here... and how to play people.

That's exactly what Apple does. Make no mistake about it, their products are good but they're not all that. Now day a Mac is just a PC running BSD. Their marketing is brilliant and has been since 1984.

Their also huge control freaks. The latest rumor has it that they plan to include software that bricks iPhones that have been unlocked whenever a user updates.

[Andara Bledin]

Also, compare the average time between a vulnerability found and then patched in Windows vs OSX.

The average for Windows is 23 days.

Mac? 67 days.

I want supporting data. Otherwise, this is FUD.

Plus, is this "vulnerability found" or "vulnarability announced"?

^-.-^

[ArenaBoy]

When it comes to impressive proprietary hardware, Microsoft has Apple beat anyways. Do a google search on "Microsoft Surface" and you'll see what I mean.

A few things: 1. The vast majority of people are still computer clueless and technologically impaired. It will take the next or current generation to get past that.

2. I looked through and seeing as it turns out to be a computer in itself there is a number of things that can go wrong: One of them being people spilling drinks into the machine. I've never seen the machine in person but there is that possibility. There is also the matter of fixing it.

3. When will it be presented to the mass consumer market? There could be many uses for other groups but the cost of that thing has got to be sky-high when it comes out.

It looks impressive but I tend to be distrusting of MS products.

[Geek King]

See, that's the trick now. Is MacOS really safe? Or is it only safe because no one's bother to do anything to it? Eh, either way, it'll probably have a place for quite a while. I don't see Apple abandoning their computer division any time soon.

Oh, I know it's not safe. One of my buddies is a "White Hat" hacker (well, white hat now that he gets paid to do it, that is. ), and frankly quite brilliant. He proved to me that he could break into a networked Mac and get into the area to change the admin password in five minutes flat. All it takes is the right tools.

[Knifeman]

See, that's the trick now. Is MacOS really safe? Or is it only safe because no one's bother to do anything to it? Eh, either way, it'll probably have a place for quite a while. I don't see Apple abandoning their computer division any time soon.

MacOS isn't really safe.

Imagine a country in the middle of nowhere with no real wealth, nothing worth stealing, everyone can leave their doors unlocked.

Now imagine a country that constantly gets attacked and has a budget to do something about it.

Which one will have better defenses?

At a tech conference, there was a contest: There were two Mac laptops with OSX on them. Whoever could remotely hack into them wins the laptop.

Before the day was done, both laptops were won by two separate people.

Also, compare the average time between a vulnerability found and then patched in Windows vs OSX.

The average for Windows is 23 days.

Mac? 67 days.

And the Iphone was hacked within a week of being released, and that runs a version of OSX as well.

EDIT: Besides, With Bootcamp and switching to an Intel processor, Apple's saying they aren't a hardware manufacturer anymore when it comes to personal computers.
(when it comes to MP3 players, I have a Zen from Creative. Buy a media player from a company that builds sound based hardware for years).

When it comes to impressive proprietary hardware, Microsoft has Apple beat anyways. Do a google search on "Microsoft Surface" and you'll see what I mean.

Iphone? PFFT.

[Dreamstalker]

I suspect it has more to do with network connectivity, design, and security than anything else.

Eh, it uses the EDGE network which I'm none too impressed with. All I ever use my phone's web capability for is local weather and maps...when the pages load properly. My dad's Sprint PDA has faster data transfer.