Karma, (may be upsetting for some)

[crazylegs]

Some of you may or may not know that some (3) years ago I was working as a security guard for <music store> and went to detain a shoplifter.

Said shoplifter then beat the snot out of me, breaking my nose then throwing me on the floor then stamped on my chest.

I found out today that he died last year of a (illegal) drugs overdose.

Do I feel glad, not really; do I feel any satisfaction, not at all a man has died but I do feel that his actions (he was a generally violent person) led to his early demise.

[kibbles]

I don't think your post is upsetting. You aren't expressing joy or gladness over another person's death; but, just recognizing how his actions led to it.

[Automan Empire]

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy!

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Or needle. His shoplifting was probably to pay for his addiction.

[depechemodefan]

Was he arrested in that incident with you crazylegs?

[dithers66]

you've far more tolerance than most. I envy you.

[Mr Yuck]

you've far more tolerance than most. I envy you.

I admit....I would be saying "good riddance," and consider the herd thinned.

[Polenicus]

Actually recently had a couple of co-workers deal with someone like this, and likely if there hadn't been FOUR of them on the scene, it probably would have gotten ugly.

Perp was a guy who had been banned from the site, repeatedly and by order of the Dean. He seemed to somehow think he was still a student there (The last time he had attended classes was 7 years ago) and was entitled to use and abuse of the college facilities, despite being told quite clearly he WASN'T. He was also apparently tweaking on SOMETHING, because there's no way someone NOT on drugs could do what he did.

For reference, the guy was maybe 5'8", and 120 lbs soaking wet.

Staff members spotted him in the pool shower room, and recognized him, noticed something was wrong with him. So the supervisor on shift and the mobile driver (Both hefty guys, about 250-280 lbs each), a lady who was military reservist, and our resident young buck with the power of CAPPUCINO! (Seriously, he's like the 6th Planeteer. Earth, Wind, Fire, Water, Heart, and Caffine).

In other words, you'd expect that to be enough to deal with the guy.

Well, when they got there, they basically said he could come back to the security office to wait for the cops, or they could arrest him right there and hold him until the cops arrived. He voted neither, and tried to leave. They attempted to restrain...

And then it got NASTY.

He turned into a biting, clawing, superhumanly strong whirlwind. He had FOUR PEOPLE on him, and kept going. Two of my co-workers had to go to the hospital because he drew blood on them, and a third hurt his knee. Even after they pinned him, they couldn't get the cuffs on him because they literally could not move his arms.

The best part? The absolutely extra-special best part? He got treated in the Emergency Room BEFORE my co-workers, because the cops didn't even bother to book him, they just drove him to the hospital and dropped him off. He actually arrived there before they did, and they more or less were driven straight to the hospital after he was hauled away.

[ditchdj]

That's one reason why I don't think anyone should be allowed to detain ANYONE on their own property, unless they're a police officer. It would have gone much better for you if you had simply let the guy go, called the police and let THEM do their job and pick the guy up.

Not to mention that we happen to live in a "Sue Nation", meaning if you had injured him in the process of taking him down you can be sued for it, especially if you haven't had any formal police training in taking someone down without hurting either you or them.

[Lingering Grin]

Not to mention that we happen to live in a "Sue Nation", meaning if you had injured him in the process of taking him down you can be sued for it, especially if you haven't had any formal police training in taking someone down without hurting either you or them.

It'd never stick... besides, after he's been told to leave, and he doesn't, he is trespassing. Same if he's banned and comes back.

At that point, intruder laws come into affect. You could beat the snot out of the guy.... even shoot him, if he poses a direct threat to anyone there

It's the same as if someone was in your house without permission... you can take their face off with a shotgun, and noone is gonna bat an eye.

[ditchdj]

Yeah but I'm talking about taking it upon yourself to detain him and not allowing him to leave your property. You're in effect jailing him yourself. You're walking on a very thin line when you do that.

[Irving Patrick Freleigh]

It turns out one of the low-life dirtbags who mugged me some 9 years ago died while in jail.

Can't say I feel bad about it at all.

[Ree]

That's one reason why I don't think anyone should be allowed to detain ANYONE on their own property, unless they're a police officer. It would have gone much better for you if you had simply let the guy go, called the police and let THEM do their job and pick the guy up.

Ummm....ditchdj....that's NOT what this thread was supposed to be about.

Crazylegs was talking about an action taken by someone that caused him great bodily harm, and he has now discovered that the person died through the consequences of his own poor life choices.
That was the point of the thread, and NOT whether he should have detained the shoplifter in the first place.

If I'm not mistaken, that subject would probably be better discussed on fratching, as it can lead in so many different levels of controversy, it was more than a little inappropriate to bring it up in this thread.

Back on topic, though, Crazylegs, you are a very compassionate person, obviously, and I don't think your post is upsetting at all. You aren't clapping your hand with glee over the death of someone who hurt you. You are simply making an observation.

[JustADude]

He was also apparently tweaking on SOMETHING, because there's no way someone NOT on drugs could do what he did.

My vote is for Phencyclidine, aka PCP, aka Angel Dust. For those that don't know, it's a powerful Disassociate Anesthetic that is used illegally for its hallucinogenic side-effects, and also causes rapid mood alteration.

Basically, on Angel Dust you're fucked in the head, your adrenaline's pumping, and you basically have no sense of pain. That means you operate, physically, on the same level you would in a massively life-or-death situation. We're talking "mom lifting car off a baby", "carrying a wounded soldier on your back 4 miles at a dead run" type stuff. That means the only ways to to take someone like that down are dog-pile them with enough guys to hold them down, or create enough physical trauma to render them physically incapable of continuing to resist.

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Also, more on topic, I have to agree with others that you're a much more forgiving person than I am, Crazylegs.

[Alpha Strike]

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Said shoplifter then beat the snot out of me, breaking my nose then throwing me on the floor then stamped on my chest.

I found out today that he died last year of a (illegal) drugs overdose.

Do I feel glad, not really; do I feel any satisfaction, not at all a man has died but I do feel that his actions (he was a generally violent person) led to his early demise.

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Live by the sword, die by the sword. Or needle.

Crazy Legs: Props to you for hearing this and just going on about your business. I think, had I been in your position, it would have been hard not to take some small measure of satisfaction from his death.

Automan Empire said exactly what I was thinking, and to that I add "F*ck 'em."

[Mongo Skruddgemire]

Was it MArk Twain who said something to the effect of "I've never wished ill of my fellow man, but it doesn't mean I don't enjoy the obituary page" or something?