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  • #16
    Quoth Fenrus View Post
    Without difinitive proof of any wrongdoing, I'm gonna have to go with the whole "not enough evidence" side of this argument. I know businesses can refuse service to anyone, and you were within your rights, I still don't see the problem here.

    Would it be any different if it were a flock of females going into the bathroom? Just curious as to why the double standard in most establishments, where it's okay for women to relieve themselves in groups, while it's not okay for guys.
    Females often travel together for safety reasons because females get attacked in bathrooms more often. I'm all for gender equality, but sometimes double standards are there for a reason.

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    • #17
      I'm gonna go with... maybe there were other indications before and after the loo incident that sparked Mark's instincts. Might be a way a person looks out the side of their eyes, or something shifty, or whatever...

      Yes, it's his right to kick them out, and while he's got no 'evidence', sometimes you've got to go with your gut feelings!
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      • #18
        I think some people are forgetting this detail

        10-15 minutes later I am back at the desk and see them both come out at the same time.
        Does it really take a man 10-15 minutes to use the bathroom?

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        • #19
          I don't have anything against anybody having sex, gay or straight, but even straight couples gross me out if they're doing it in a public bathroom stall. Blech.
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          • #20
            There was a prostitute that would meet men for sex in the Wal-mart where I used to work. She would go into the "family restroom"

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            • #21
              This post reminds me of a situation a few years ago. I was acting manager of a convenience store. An employee calls me one evening about 11 p.m., to inform me that a man and woman went into the women's restroom together, but had already left by the time he called. He said they were in there a long period of time. He wanted to know what he should do. I simply told him that if they'd already left, there was not much that could be done. If he was going to do something, he should have acted when he first started to feel suspicious rather than waiting until after they left to call me. I further told him that any time he suspects something is wrong, simply ask them to leave. If they refuse, call the police, and keep watch on their activities from a safe distance. That's about all that can be done.
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              • #22
                Some more info I should have included.

                They looked like they were living on the streets, but not for very long. So my guess is drugs.

                Secondly, they came out and just plopped down on the couch. They weren't buying.
                Proud to be a Walmart virgin.

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                • #23
                  Meh, if you really wanted to kick them out you should just have waited for 15 or so minutes then booted them for loitering.

                  As for the bathroom, okay, so they went in together. (span of 10-15 minutes) They came out together. There was no evidence subsequently found in the bathroom of any wrongdoing.

                  If they were living on the streets, maybe they were washing up a bit.

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                  • #24
                    Quoth VComps View Post
                    If they were living on the streets, maybe they were washing up a bit.
                    With the additional info, that's my guess.

                    Based on the OP alone, though, it seemed kinda twitchy to pitch them for just taking a long time in a bathroom where you admit that there is only one working stall. Hell, for all you know, one of 'em tried to use the urinal, and they took the time to clean it up before coming out. Stranger things have happened.

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                    • #25
                      It's private property. You can refuse entry for any reason.

                      Whether or not it's right or not is down to the indiviual store, it's policies and the desicions made at the time with the information available.
                      A PSA, if I may, as well as another.

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                      • #26
                        right OR wrong, it was sucky to kick them out... my guess is that they were probably going poo and washing up...you can pee in the streets, but there are other needs that can't be done...did they look or act differently when they came out? drugs affect how people look or act. so does sex...

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                        • #27
                          Quoth Rebel1012 View Post
                          when i get 2 guys coming out of the same stall i ask em "queer or gear?" before i toss em out
                          In the US, that would be illegal for you to do (unless you'd also do the same for a guy and a girl coming out of the same stall).

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                          • #28
                            Quoth VComps View Post

                            If they were living on the streets, maybe they were washing up a bit.
                            ditto on that... knowing the looked like they might be from the street does make a difference, and makes me lean towards either cleaning up, or taking turns using the stall (10-15 for both... 5 minutes to take a dump isn't that long of a period and then 5 minutes or so after to clean themselves up... so 10-15 for both of them doesn't sound unreasonable).
                            That said... 'cleaning up' would still be a legit reason to kick someone out as it is the restroom is not intended to be used for someone's daily bathing.

                            And as has been pointed out, private businesses can refuse service for any reason as long as it is not discrimination based on a a protected status (either by federal or state government... which, as an interesting tidbit, sexual orientation is not a federally protected status yet, so technically, if your state doesn't have laws regarding it you could throw them out on those grounds too if that's truly what you suspected).

                            So, I'll place my vote solidly in the gray area that without actually having been there to see what was going on, I could see it going either way on whether or not you were justified in asking them to leave.

                            Oh, one side note... if they really were gay sexing it up in the men's room, please be kind enough to throw something very heavy at them. It's hard enough dealing with homophobes and bigots when there aren't those idiots giving them cause to be homophobes and bigots.
                            Last edited by smileyeagle1021; 06-16-2009, 06:32 PM. Reason: damn those homophones :p
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                            • #29
                              Just a reminder that anyone replying to this thread should read through ALL the replies before posting.

                              If the point you want to make has already been made by somebody else, there's no need to post it again.

                              And keep it civil or this thread will be closed.
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                              The stupid is strong with this one.

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                              • #30
                                Quoth Difdi View Post
                                In the US, that would be illegal for you to do (unless you'd also do the same for a guy and a girl coming out of the same stall).
                                Dont know about the US but in that case they would have been tossed as oviously one was somewhere they shouldent be.....no questions asked....gone
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