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    I'm on an office move, they're moving 20 people, furniture, contents, computers, from the 10th floor, to the 12th floor within the same building. This should be an easy two hour job, four hours if there's complications. To call this job a clusterfuck would be an insult to all clusterfucks. Not only was it the worst organized move I've ever seen, but the area was totally unprepared for the move to begin with. The construction fell a week behind schedule, so this genius's plan was to have all the tradespeople come in at once and finish everything en masse. You've got drywallers putting up walls, you've got painters painting just finished walls, you've got carpenters putting in millwork, you've got electricians wiring, you've got installers putting in furniture, you've got cleaners cleaning, and you've got the movers bringing all the shit in and taking up what little space there is for everyone to work.

    The content move was the first hiccup. First, they were still packing, so we had to wait on that. Second, rather than using a proper numbering system, they labelled them with names, full names were too much work, so they used initials. This is inefficient but acceptable, unless of course you've got two "A.B.'s" and three "C.D.'s" in your office. We had to sort them based on handwriting until finally giving up and telling them to figure it out. Then we move on to their file cabinets. Cabinets should be numbered, and there should be a floor plan with a specific measured location for each. They were numbered, but there was no plan for where they were going. We had to track down the client for each one then follow her around while she hmmm'd and haaaah'd, deciding where it should go. On to the contents of said filing cabinets. The boxes should correspond to the numbers of the cabinets. Instead, they labelled them with ambiguous dates, names, whatever. Once again, we had to track the woman down. She had no clue and no solution. We couldn't just drop them and let the workers who made the mess figure it out, we had to figure it out, somehow. Once again, we did our best until giving up and saying fuck it.

    On top of these problems, the tradespeople and us were getting mutual headaches. As we're placing cabinets or whatever, by her instruction, the trades come by and let us know it's a problem. That wall isn't done, there's a workstation going there, that room has to be painted. All said, we had to move items dozens of times because she didn't know what was going on. But we persevered and finally finished. We're 9 hours in on what should have been a two hour move, but we're done.

    Okay, she just wants to make sure we didn't miss anything. We head down and there's a storage room that we didn't touch. Okay, it's not labelled and you said nothing about it. Well, obviously it has to go. Okay, no problem, another hour to get that done. Once again we're done. Oh no we're not. We missed a lot of labelled items. While we were working on the storage room, she snuck behind us and threw a bunch of labels on every box and missed piece of furniture in the place. Annoying, but no big deal if she just admits that she forgot. But instead, she wants to play it like we missed all this stuff. Lady, it's a fucking hourly job; you're paying us for as long as we're here, whether you're the fuck up or whether we're the fuck up. That's what I wanted to say, but instead I bit my tongue and go to work.

    We've finished for the third time, and now she's decided that she doesn't like the configuration in a couple of offices. A couple of offices as in every single one of them. In one particularly small office, we've tried three different desks trying to get it "right", I just put the finishing touches on the third attempt when a guy comes in and tells me that we've got to try another desk. I lose it and let out with "for fuck's sake, can these morons get their heads out of their asses and make a decision". Unbeknownst to me, the client was right behind him:

    SC: Excuse me?
    Me: Well pardon me, but it would be nice if things were properly planned so we don't have to move things three, four, five, times.
    SC: It's not easy to figure this all out you know.
    Me: Yes, I know, that's why you have to plan these things out weeks or months in advance. Look, here's my tape measure, let's measure the office out and figure out what works best before it's moved.
    SC: What, you think you can do better?!?
    Me: Do I think I can do better, not at all, as a matter of fact I KNOW I could do better!
    SC: Oh really, what would you have done?
    Me: The first thing I would have done is hire me two weeks ago to get this thing properly organized. To advise your staff on proper packing and labelling. To get your cabinets numbered and mapped out. To get your offices measured and furniture allocated. I would have done that two weeks ago, not the day of the move.
    SC: What is your name!?!
    Me: Jason, and if you want to complain about me the line for that starts right behind me because I'm letting the boss know that I am never working on a job this disorganized again.
    SC: I want you to leave!
    Me: Thanks!


    I could pull this attitude because this wasn't my client. I was subcontracting for a company that seems to specialize in the worst jobs possible. Every time I work for them I tell myself that it will be the last time, and hopefully this time will truly be the last. My boss was none too pleased, but when I explained it all to him, and that this blowup was at the hour fourteen mark, he understood.
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    Quoth = Crossbow "EvilHomer, Irv, Gravekeeper, and Seraph: the Four Horsemen of the Dumbpocalypse."

  • #2
    FOURTEEN HOURS?! I would've blown up too!

    Why is it so freaking difficult for people to plan things beforehand? Take measurements, label things, get a floorplan drawn up (you can do that on Excel), and most importantly, plan it out ahead of time. A bit of work now can save a hell of a lot of hassles later on.

    But nooooo! They figure "we'll just wing it, how hard can it be?" and they end up taking fourteen hours to finish what should've been a two hour job, and wonder why the workers are getting irritable and nothing is done right.
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    • #3
      Quoth XCashier View Post
      But nooooo! They figure "we'll just wing it, how hard can it be?" and they end up taking fourteen hours to finish what should've been a two hour job, and wonder why the workers are getting irritable and nothing is done right.
      And generates a gigantic bill that (naturally) will come as a "complete shock" to management and thus begin the endless complaints of "why is the bill so high?" and "can't you drop the price?"

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      • #4
        I've been fortunate that I've never had to move with a whole office to another location. Certain things are obvious, but I admit I'd miss a lot of the details you mention that moves things along easily. When offices plan a move and book with a company, does the moving company ever supply guidelines of what to do to make the move easier?
        A lion however, will only devour your corpse, whereas an SC is not sated until they have destroyed your soul. (Quote per infinitemonkies)

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        • #5
          You know what they say-"If you fail to plan then you plan to fail".

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          • #6
            At least the boss understood the situation you were in, this time.

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            • #7
              Wow. As evilhomer says . . . what a clusterfuck.

              I'm glad my move to a new office a couple of years ago was better planned. We knew the layout of the building. We were getting new furniture in all the offices, and had to stick with the initial configuration (the movers weren't being paid to move the new furniture around for us; if we wanted a change we had to wait until the move was over).

              We were given explicit instructions on how to pack and label: use specific labels with full name and office number, and contents.

              We got moved in a day, but everyone was packed up weeks ahead of time.

              I don't blame evilhomer for losing his cool. His comments were on target, and the client didn't want to accept accountability for the problems SHE created.
              They say that God only gives us what we can handle. Apparently, God thinks I'm a bad ass.

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              • #8
                And what's her whiney, childish excuse...? "Duh, this is hard!"

                You know what, all I've ever moved is a bunch of household goods in a U-Haul, and even I know you have to make sure there's room for the items in the space where you want them to go. I knew enough to pack boxes and number them, and make a list of what was in each box. I'm sure an office move is more complicated, therefore requires more planning. Doesn't sound like this client did any planning at all.

                What kind of idiot removes the contents from a filing cabinet and then doesn't mark what stuff goes into which cabinet? Or expects the movers to move the furniture in while drywall is still going up? 'Moron' was pretty mild, under the circumstances.
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                • #9
                  it's not that hard

                  where I worked we moved 150 people between buildings. we combined 5 floors into 3. we renovated an old building across the street so the distance was short but some items went out the back and some out the front and there were one-way streets we couldn't completely block.

                  we spent months planning. we planned furniture layouts with a dedicated company that also did the furniture install. IT made sure telco lines were moved and tested, cabling worked for the layout and the cubes were ready. we picked off necessary changes as needed (and we had changes up until the day before the move). there were master lists of issues to figure out with assigned priorities.

                  we had meetings of moving coordinators that went back and made sure the smaller groups were ready. everything was labeled with a destination. the movers were aware of the priorities as assigned. some furniture was reused, most was new

                  for technology we had a team making sure every single PC worked with a set test plan.

                  the day of the move we closed midday on a Friday and were completely moved by Monday morning with the employees able to work.

                  the bulk of the actual move took less than 8 hours. for 150 people.

                  the critical aspect: we planned to death. the move was in February, we were planning in September
                  Last edited by flyingember; 12-29-2010, 06:11 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Quoth bainsidhe View Post
                    When offices plan a move and book with a company, does the moving company ever supply guidelines of what to do to make the move easier?
                    Yes, I wrote one myself. The "smart" customers don't need to read it, the dumb customers don't bother to read it, the rest glance at it. As for this moving company that I was subbed to, considering that 20 photocopies would have costed nearly one whole dollar, I doubt the boss would have allowed it.

                    If a company is willing to pay for it, we'll handle every aspect of the move. Making up the instructions, teaching the employees, checking furniture layouts, basically every step that's needed. But this costs money and nobody wants to pay for this, particularly small moves like this one that should be easy.

                    flyingember, that sounded awesome, a dream job for me. Yes, as you said, planning is the key. Having ten or thirty guys standing around waiting for instructions rather than working is the biggest time waster on any move. Add ons and reconfigurations during/after the move are the biggest morale killers.
                    D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F.
                    Quoth = Crossbow "EvilHomer, Irv, Gravekeeper, and Seraph: the Four Horsemen of the Dumbpocalypse."

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                    • #11
                      My company move about 1,500 employees to a new facility about a mile away. It took about six weeks (they moved a floor each week) to do the physical move. I have no idea how much planning went into it, but I know it was well planned. It went as smooth as silk.

                      I am in IT, and we were the first to move. They figured that the network would be the biggest problem and we would be the easiest to trouble shoot.
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                      • #12
                        Any updates on this?

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                        • #13
                          Unfortunately people think "Hey I can do better, and save money!" and some can. They have the foresight, the common sense, and the ability to PLAN. Others (like me) go to the pros and say "Hey, I need this moved..help?!" and let them do it their way..cause I have NO clue..but at least I know I have NO clue. So I pay a bit more, but it gets done right.
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                          • #14
                            I'm with you on that. Let the pros do it. You'll only end up paying twice as much if you try it yourself. Then again, I also believe that's true of home repair attempts.
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                            • #15
                              Quoth Kristev View Post
                              I'm with you on that. Let the pros do it. You'll only end up paying twice as much if you try it yourself. Then again, I also believe that's true of home repair attempts.
                              I'm living proof of that, my attempts to fix a leaky faucet a few years ago mean that at some point I'm going to need someone to fix the drywall on the downstair's ceiling underneath my bathroom...

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