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  • I am my father... Oh Crap

    Verily a shitstorm of crazy has rained down upon my head. Not of my own making you understand, and there was nothing more I could have done, but I still feel dumb/confused.

    I was in the middle of editing a book, a memoir by a guy who fought during one of the many wars Britain engaged in between the years 1950-1960 (I'm keeping everything vague intentionally). I found I had to stop because I was a little confused. At the beginning of the book it seemed like he was in X squad, but by chapter 6 it looked like he was in Y squad. No biggy, soldiers are often transferred, he mentioned a promotion to section leader. Often people who write their memoirs know the story so well they leave important facts out. It's my job to put them back in.

    So I email him, let's call him Bob Crazy. I ask him to tell me exactly what squad, troop and section he was in during the time period the memoir covers. His answer is somewhat fuzzy, saying he was in a certain Captain's troop. This I know, because it's in the book, but what I want is the number, 1 Troop, 2 Troop or 3 Troop, etc. Seems like he doesn't know any more than I do. Then, after a bit of pushing, he sends me an email that makes my tummy flip, part of which I reproduce here:

    Note - I hope I mentioned (I think I did) when I first submitted the book that I was acting on my late fathers estate. In relation to this there may be one or two queries (for obvious reasons) that I may not be able to answer, if this is the case I will inform you. In saying this however, I have been closely involved with the MSS throughout the writing process as well as typing and structuring the book. I think I may have been guilty in straying into my fathers persona in dealing with you as I felt comfortable with that method of communication.


    So... the upshot is that over the course of 5 months and 30 or so emails, he has been pretending to be his dead father. They have the same name apparently, though now I don't believe anything he says. I know for a fact that his father WAS a soldier at the time and place the memoir says, because I checked the regimental records, but the fact is that I can't take any part of the manuscript at fact value.

    My reply to him was essentially 'we have undertaken a false contract', 'seriously reconsider' etc. Am talking to the big bosses about whether to drop the whole book.

    Oh lord. I feel sick. The thing is, I made sure the man was real, given his birthdate it was perfectly possible that he was still alive and in his late 70s, I was provided with over 100 photographs of the same individual in the right place and the right time and the manuscript seemed sound. There have been several publishers recently who have been taken in by people pretending to have been soldiers (there was one recently where a guy pretended to have trained the Taliban to fight the Russians, when in fact he spent only two years in the artillery), so we are used to looking out for fake soldiers, not people pretending to be their dead dads!

    It looks like Bob Crazy found a typewritten manuscript and a load of photos by Bob Crazy Snr and decided to get them published. Why he didn't tell the truth is beyond me, because we often have memoirs that we publish posthumously, edited by grandchildren etc. BUT HE LIED AND MAY BE MENTAL!!! Argh.
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  • #2
    wow, I've heard of "Daddy's Girls" before, but a son that wants to be his dad that much? thats just wierd.
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    • #3
      He probably thought you wouldn't publish it if the memoir wasn't submitted by the person it was about. He wasn't anticipating the specific questions only his father would be able to answer. Stupid silly little man.
      Me to a friend: I know I'm crazy, you know I'm crazy, the zombies at the end of the world will know I'm crazy. Thus not eating my brain for fear of ingesting the crazy. It's my survival plan.

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      • #4
        If he wanted to be a ghostwriter/do an "unauthorized autobiography" (damn I hate that term!), he should have been 100% up front with you about it, and made arrangements as such. Totally his own fault, and none of yours. Kudos for getting the truth out of him! ^_^
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        • #5
          So this guy fed himself and then gave birth to himself?

          On second thought, the OP's explanation seems more plausible.
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          • #6
            I would say to stick with the "false contract" status, but use this fact to negotiate a new contract - with a "good faith" clause somewhere in there. And increase your fee, to cover the months wasted on an invalid contract.

            I'm sure your bosses/legal team can figure out a good contract for this guy. (In case it's needed, you can always call Guido or Nunzio - I'm sure Skeeve can send them over...)
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            • #7
              I can actually see how this guy could have fallen into that sort of mindset without him being completely mental. I've had times when I've been spending a lot of time writing as a specific character, and then when I do something else related to what I'm writing, I'll have a bit of disorientation getting out of character.

              Of course, this guy could just be going the reverse of the norm and living vicariously through his father.

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              • #8
                Sounds like quite a loony! Idiots like this always make me re-consider trying to get published. Surely if these people can, I can! (Although I suppose the rules are a bit different here than in genre fiction...)
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                • #9
                  The sad thing is, the memoir from his dad is probably legit. The fact that he lied about writing it makes him a little sketchy- who knows if he's done anything else to the manuscript to make it "better."

                  Sad.
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                  • #10
                    That's...impressive. I'm not sure if its impressively fraudulent, or just impressively nuts. I suspect shankyknitter has put his/her finger on it though - its a MEMOIR, the old boy probably thought you wouldn't be interested in publishing it if it wasn't actually about him. Its all very well to be a bit swept away by the glamour of "playing your father", especially if Dad's war record is more impressive than yours, but signing contracts in his name is more than just a bit naughty.

                    Whatever did he think would happen if it actually did get published though? Often with things like this, old army buddies try and contact the writer, surely they're going to be a bit surprised if they think they're writing to Brian and end up speaking to Ryan (as it were).

                    Just to prove there is always a joke in there somewhere, i offer this; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fSgynl7PNo
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                    • #11
                      Quoth Andara Bledin View Post
                      I've had times when I've been spending a lot of time writing as a specific character, and then when I do something else related to what I'm writing, I'll have a bit of disorientation getting out of character.
                      I've had that happen with a couple of RPG characters. Last weekend we were playing the Star Wars RPG, and one of the people my character used as a crutch to build up her own self image fell to the Dark Side. After the session was over I spent the rest of the evening shaky and unable to really focus on anything.
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                      • #12
                        Quoth Captain Trips View Post
                        I would say to stick with the "false contract" status, but use this fact to negotiate a new contract - with a "good faith" clause somewhere in there. And increase your fee, to cover the months wasted on an invalid contract.

                        I'm sure your bosses/legal team can figure out a good contract for this guy. (In case it's needed, you can always call Guido or Nunzio - I'm sure Skeeve can send them over...)
                        And if that doesn't help, I'm sure Throckmorton can do something.
                        They say that God only gives us what we can handle. Apparently, God thinks I'm a bad ass.

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                        • #13
                          Robert Heinlein - All You Zombies

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                          • #14
                            Mythadventures: Robert Aspirin
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                            • #15
                              Quoth Andara Bledin View Post
                              I can actually see how this guy could have fallen into that sort of mindset without him being completely mental. I've had times when I've been spending a lot of time writing as a specific character, and then when I do something else related to what I'm writing, I'll have a bit of disorientation getting out of character.
                              I've done that a few times myself. There was one time I spent several hours working on something with a British character. The next morning...and CS members in the UK will laugh at this, I'm sure....I found myself "thinking" in a British accent...whatever words went through my head actually had a distinct accent. Of course it stopped as soon as I realized it and that's never happened since.
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