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  • This is why I'm happy that this isn't my department:

    (Please, no cable vs Satellite debating! )

    Right now I'm listening to my boss talk to one of our satellite customers we just installed. He's a classic customer who's trying to use the "but I didn't know" line to get free stuff.

    Backstory: When we sell our Satellite services, we tell you in detail what is and isn't included. There are things in writing, verbal explanations and we even have a form for the customer to sign about line of sight*.

    This customer received, in writing, what was included (he got an HD Antenna Kit and 4 HD receivers. I know this because I've been hearing about this install for 2 days now. Sad.). He chose not to buy a DVR. Boss and CW asked him 3 times if he was SURE and he declined with gusto each time in addition to receiving the install invoice with the itemized equipment summary. He also signed the line of sight agreement. Also, he came over from another satellite company, and went from standard definition to HD and now thinks he's the satellite expert because he had satellite from another company.

    Cut to yesterday when CW comes back to me and Boss to say that the customer was flipping out on our installer because line of sight was NOT good and we needed to install a pole. So after much bantering back and forth, we decide to just install the fool pole for free. He was getting a lot of stuff, even without the DVR, and we figured it would be good customer service. Besides, we didn't want to loose the install. Even after we give him this pole for free, he's still complaining that it had to be installed. Keep in mind that he preferred the pole over cable and that he was given the opportunity for a full refund.

    I'm listening to this transaction yesterday twitching because I know deep in my heart that this will not be the end of this guy.

    So, we get to now and the reason I'm writing this. He's talking to Boss on the phone right now. He wants to know why we gave him a non-working DVR; he was trying to record and couldn't get it to come on. If you remember, he declined the DVR both verbally and in writing. So, he doesn't have ANY DVR, working or not working.

    Boss is explaining (again) that a DVR wasn't included in his install because he declined one repeatedly. Customer keeps insisting that he was never told about a DVR option, despite invoices stating otherwise. Boss offered him a discounted DVR just to shut him up, but this guy wants one for free, of course. He keeps threatening to disconnect service, which is a big deal for us because it costs us a lot of money when someone backs out of a contract.

    He's under the impression that the poor line of sight is OUR fault and we should give him free equipment for the inconvenience of having to install a pole. We keep trying to tell him that his old company needed a different line of sight AND that it was standard def, so everything has changed. Oy.

    To his credit, Boss isn't backing down easily, even with Customer threatening to call his lawyer friend (paperwork and the Satellite company are on our side, so it didn't even phase him). But, we're now in the situation to where we'd be better off giving a guy an HD DVR for free instead of loosing an install.

    I hate people like this- you're going to cause a scene because you want stuff for free. We aren't the satellite company, we're just a small business that sells it for the satellite company. People like this really hurt us. Thankfully, we don't get them often. I love my parts and IT cave. :P

    *Line of sight is where the antenna has to be facing the right direction and have a clear path so it can pick up the satellite signal. What we have them sign is an understanding that if we can't get a good line of sight, we will have to either cancel the install (with refund) or find another place for the antenna. If this involves installing a pole, we have to charge for it. Included in the signed understanding is the cost for the install of a pole. If a pole has to be installed, we have to go back a day later after the cement sets to complete the install.

    It's also important to note that different satellite companies have different line of sight needs. ALSO, HD affects it as well; it's much more rigid than standard definition.
    "You are beginning to damage my calm."

  • #2
    This is a very rude game of chicken. The customer swears to leave if X demand isn't met. Company must decide whether the customer is bluffing or not. If the company flinches, they lose whatever the customer is demanding. If the company doesn't flinch, and the customer isn't bluffing, they're out a customer.

    Problem is, if the company flinches and gives in, the customer now knows that they will, and will take advantage of that every chance he gets in the future.

    Bastard. Company loses almost every way it goes.
    Sorry, my cow died so I don't need your bull

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    • #3
      This is a very rude game of chicken.
      That is the perfect description of it!
      "You are beginning to damage my calm."

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      • #4
        I'd say call the bluff - a customer like this can only cost you more than he's worth over the lifetime of the contract, especially if he gets away with this.

        He signed a written agreement about the line of sight. He signed a written agreement about the DVR. He has no case, let him call his lawyer buddy - who can't represent him in small-claims court, where this would end up.

        Hell, as soon as he said "lawyer" you should have sent him to your legal team...and write off the install, for reasons said above.

        The only way people will learn to be good customers is to not give in to the bad ones. As we all know, the customer is NOT always right. (Otherwise, I'd go into a grocery store, yell out that gravity doesn't exist, then sue the store when I don't float away!)
        I will not be pushed, stamped, filed, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered. My life is my own. --#6

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        • #5
          Quoth Captain Trips View Post
          I'd say call the bluff - a customer like this can only cost you more than he's worth over the lifetime of the contract, especially if he gets away with this.

          He signed a written agreement about the line of sight. He signed a written agreement about the DVR. He has no case, let him call his lawyer buddy - who can't represent him in small-claims court, where this would end up.

          Hell, as soon as he said "lawyer" you should have sent him to your legal team...and write off the install, for reasons said above.

          The only way people will learn to be good customers is to not give in to the bad ones. As we all know, the customer is NOT always right. (Otherwise, I'd go into a grocery store, yell out that gravity doesn't exist, then sue the store when I don't float away!)
          You're probably right, but I'm an innocent bystander here. :P

          I bolded the line I wholeheartedly agree with!
          "You are beginning to damage my calm."

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          • #6
            Let's try the correct post this time!

            The fact that my boss didn't cave after the "I'll call my lawyer" bit, the customer called back and bought the DVR.
            "You are beginning to damage my calm."

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            • #7
              Woo-HOO! The Good Guys didn't flinch!
              Sorry, my cow died so I don't need your bull

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              • #8
                His lawyer probably gave him a good talking to. Hopefully, a very expensive one, as well.
                Customers should always be served . . . to the nearest great white.

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                • #9
                  Quoth EvilEmpryss View Post
                  This is a very rude game of chicken. The customer swears to leave if X demand isn't met. Company must decide whether the customer is bluffing or not. If the company flinches, they lose whatever the customer is demanding. If the company doesn't flinch, and the customer isn't bluffing, they're out a customer.

                  Problem is, if the company flinches and gives in, the customer now knows that they will, and will take advantage of that every chance he gets in the future.

                  Bastard. Company loses almost every way it goes.


                  They have to make up for it by charging the non-scamming customers more for service.

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                  • #10
                    Hell, as soon as he said "lawyer" you should have sent him to your legal team...and write off the install, for reasons said above.
                    When I was on the phones, this was SOP. If someone said "lawyer", we were to immediately refer them to the legal team and not say anything else to them at all. It was actually kind of awesome, the only ones who said "lawyer" were always the screaming ones, and I got to pretty much hang up on them.
                    "You mean you don’t have the one piece of information you actually need? Well, stick your grubby paws in the crayon box, yank one out and colour me Fucking Shocked Fuchsia." - Gravekeeper

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                    • #11
                      Quoth Megg View Post
                      When I was on the phones, this was SOP. If someone said "lawyer", we were to immediately refer them to the legal team and not say anything else to them at all. It was actually kind of awesome, the only ones who said "lawyer" were always the screaming ones, and I got to pretty much hang up on them.
                      This is beyond awesome! I'd have loved to hear some of those post-lawyer calls LOL
                      "You are beginning to damage my calm."

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