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  • That's bait and switch! (plus other fun stuff)

    Background: I work for a company who sells all sorts of men's and women's clothing, as well as tools and other stuff, name associated with a city usually linked to Superior. I work both sales (putting in orders out of our catalogs/off our website) as well as Customer Service (trying to fix the inevitable screwups and what have you.)

    So one of our responsibilities in CS is answering customer e-mails. Usually feedback or questions, the semi-frequent request to take them off a mail/e-mail list. And then sometimes we have issues when clearance sales of certain items happen. The most recent one a few months ago was for a couple of our pairs of pants. Customers had been complaining about our jeans and special material work pants because the zipper wasn't coming down far enough. (Ouch.)

    Finally, QC did a check and verified that yep, the flies weren't coming down far enough. So instead of discarding all that stock, we slashed the prices, and sent a promo e-mail out on Thursday indicating the pretty much half-off pricing on the items, and that quantities were limited. This e-mail goes out on the 12th.[/background]

    Fast forward to the 15th. Checking e-mails, and one is marked 'BAIT AND SWITCH!' Knowing this is going to be fun, I start reading it. Customer complains that he got an e-mail stating that a pair of the denim jeans with the short zipper that he wanted were available when he placed the order online, but the e-mail was saying that they were cancelled off his order. At first, I'm ready to go and apologize to him.

    Then he indicates that we bait and switched him, because he was now stuck with these two other items that he'd ordered. He didn't have to get $xx in order to get the sale price or anything. And because those jeans were cancelled off the order, he wound up paying reduced shipping charges. But noooooo, we totally bait and switched that guy!

    Given the date of the e-mail, I checked his order. Sure enough, the pants are cancelled off. But the date and time of his order processing in our system says it all. Order processed on the 14th, in the early am hours, on a sale clearly marked 'limited quantities'.

    So, because of his ignorance and eagerness to blame US for his being slow, I laid into him in the e-mail response.

    "Blah blah blah sorry that you didn't get the item you wanted, it happens...

    But you can't accuse us of 'bait-and-switch' on items that were CLEARLY marked 'limited quantities' when you waited over 24 hours after that e-mail went out to place your order. I apologize that you got those items that you weren't forced to get and will be paying a reduced shipping charge due to the cancelled item. If you're dissatisfied, I will be more than happy to send you a complimentary return label so that you can return those wanted items at no additional charge to you!

    Sincerely,
    Kalani"

    (None of the original text was bolded or the like, just done to point out the fail.)

    I think this is long enough for a 'first suck experience'. Later, I'll post about the lady who got so offended by a recent catalog cover, she was certain we were pandering to our 'homo pedophile crowd' and that we were going to start selling 'sex toys in future catalogs' (all quotes directly from the customer!).

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    Now, for the other one from more recently.

    [background]Our catalog covers sometimes go for edgy humor, though nothing outright perverse. We had some outrage earlier in the year because we had the first Biblical couple in the garden, except Adam was wearing our underwear.[/background]

    More recently, we had an image of a guy doing the splits and grinning, as a means of showing just how flexible these new jeans of ours were due to adding a single percent of spandex.

    This one lady somehow finds this perverted, and proceeds to bitch us out by e-mail.

    It disgusted her, and the guy with the 'creepy' smile looked like a 'homo pedophile rapist'. Soon, we'd be selling 'sex toys' in our catalogs, and that we didn't need perverted stuff to sell products, before asking to be removed from our mailing list.

    I proceeded to honor her request, but then took her to task for having her mind in the gutter, questioning all those terms she used. I noted that it was meant to be a fun take on, 'look how flexible these are!', not anywhere near perverted. Not near as epic as the first, but still nice to give it to the customers when they're that far off the deep end.

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    • #3
      The most amusing thing is that 99.9 % of the people who say that's bait and switch have no fucking clue what it geniunely means.

      I have had numerous people scream we do that to them, not knowing that I have directed them to a similar item of equal or lesser value.

      Had we not had an advertised item that was priced at $200 and I tried to sell them a $500 item, that's bait and switch.

      Bunch of maroons.
      Dammit !! ~ Jack Bauer

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      • #4
        Quoth Kalani View Post
        Order processed on the 14th, in the early am hours, on a sale clearly marked 'limited quantities'.
        Who orders pants at the wee hours of the morning?
        To right the countless wrongs of our days... We shine this light of true redemption, that this place may become as paradise...Oh, what a wonderful world such would be...

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        • #5
          Quoth ShootMePlease View Post
          The most amusing thing is that 99.9 % of the people who say that's bait and switch have no fucking clue what it geniunely means.
          QFT. They heard the phrase once and think that tossing that term around makes them sound knowledgeable about the law. With that logic, I'd guess going around saying "E=MC²" at every opportunity makes you a brilliant physicist.
          Quoth Mr Hero View Post
          Who orders pants at the wee hours of the morning?
          Read Gravekeeper's posts; pretty much the entire population of Nunavut orders pants at the wee hours of the morning!
          I don't have an attitude problem. You have a perception problem.
          My LiveJournal
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          • #6
            Quoth Kalani View Post
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            More recently, we had an image of a guy doing the splits and grinning, as a means of showing just how flexible these new jeans of ours were due to adding a single percent of spandex.

            This one lady somehow finds this perverted, and proceeds to bitch us out by e-mail.

            It disgusted her, and the guy with the 'creepy' smile looked like a 'homo pedophile rapist'. Soon, we'd be selling 'sex toys' in our catalogs, and that we didn't need perverted stuff to sell products, before asking to be removed from our mailing list.
            She's got a lifetime to get over it, IMO. If there's a catalog that offers sex toys, I'd be more inclined to buy from that company, FWIW.

            Speaking of which, those Healthy Living catalogs carry 'em . . . even though they're sometimes advertised as "personal massagers."
            Human Resources - the adult version of "I'm telling Mom." - Agent Anthony "Tony" DiNozzo (NCIS)

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            • #7
              Quoth Mr Hero View Post
              Who orders pants at the wee hours of the morning?
              XCashier beat me to it. I was going to say if you haven't read any of his posts, then it's high time you got started. Some of them are real gems. He's the reason I keep coming back here. Well, him and the amusing folk that other people post about, but GK's a huge draw.
              Random conversation:
              Me: Okay..so I think I get why Zoro wears a bandana
              DDD: Cuz it's cool

              So, by using the Doctor's reasoning, bow ties, fezzes and bandanas are cool.

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              • #8
                Quoth fma_fanatic View Post
                XCashier beat me to it. I was going to say if you haven't read any of his posts, then it's high time you got started. Some of them are real gems. He's the reason I keep coming back here. Well, him and the amusing folk that other people post about, but GK's a huge draw.
                That was a bit tongue in cheek. Of course I've read his posts, and even comment on many of them.
                To right the countless wrongs of our days... We shine this light of true redemption, that this place may become as paradise...Oh, what a wonderful world such would be...

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                • #9
                  Quoth Mr Hero View Post
                  Who orders pants at the wee hours of the morning?
                  You can't get purple camo pants from this company (I know, I order from them all the time).
                  They say that God only gives us what we can handle. Apparently, God thinks I'm a bad ass.

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                  • #10
                    Oh man, I love your company's stuff, and it's catalogs! I don't work in the trades but the stuff you guys sell is good quality, very durable and fairly priced. The sales deals are really good. I have a canvas tote bag that sadly has been discontinued, it was listed as intended for carrying firewood or coal or something but it's the most awesome re-usable grocery bag/general tote. I get lots of questions and compliments about it. Wish I could buy another.
                    Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints...
                    TASTE THE LIME JELLO OF DEFEAT! -Gravekeeper

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                    • #11
                      Actually Skeptic, I took a look and we still have that tote. Search Canvas Tote on our site, it should be one of the first results.

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                      • #12
                        Quoth Kalani View Post
                        The most recent one a few months ago was for a couple of our pairs of pants.
                        Pants?
                        Are they pink?
                        Camo?
                        No?
                        ...
                        I am not interested. Bait and switch.
                        Quoth Mr Hero View Post
                        Who orders pants at the wee hours of the morning?
                        ...one wonders.
                        It's not that anyone here ever heard of people buying pants at ungodly hours.
                        FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC

                        You're not a unique snowflake unless you create your own mould (Raps)

                        ***GK, Sarcastro, Lupo, LingualMonkey, BookBint, Jester, Irv, Hero & Marlowe fan***

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                        • #13
                          Quoth Mr Hero View Post
                          Who orders pants at the wee hours of the morning?
                          Don't judge me

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                          • #14
                            New stuff today!

                            [background]Sometimes we don't have items in stock and have to backorder. When that happens, we'll ship what's available right away. If you're paying shipping charges, then we'll split the cost of the shipping up based upon how much goes out. Let's say you get $60 worth of shirts, then shipping is $11.95. Half your shirts are backordered at the time, so we'll ship the half that we have, which is $30. We'll charge half of the shipping (and since 5 doesn't divide evenly, we'll round up the half cent this time, then down the next time), so your credit card statement will reflect an amount of $35.98 this time,, and then $35.97 next time if it all ships out together, for a total of $71.95.[/background]

                            A little convoluted, but basic math, right?

                            Me: Kalani, the friendly customer service rep!
                            SC: Basic math escapes her!

                            Me: Hello, this is Kalani with Superior Bartering Co, how can I help you?
                            SC: Yes, I just got my CC statement and something's wrong here.
                            Me: No problem ma'am, I'll be happy to help. (obtains necessary info to lookup account) And what seems to be the issue?

                            (Usually this sort of call results in someone who didn't read about the $6.95 charge for using the return label included with an order, though it's pre-paid postage and only charges when it gets back. Not today though!)

                            SC: Well, I ordered 2 shirts, and I got the size large. The rep tried to tell me size medium, but my husband always gets the size large, so that's what we ordered, but they were huge!

                            (Incredibly common issue, if you order a men's shirt from us, please ask if you're unsure and have never ordered a shirt from us, because we have detailed sizing charts on specific items. General sizing will punish you if you go by what you always get.)

                            Me: I understand ma'am, common issue.
                            SC: Now one shipped right away, and the other didn't ship out until like the 1st of the month. My statement shows $13.98, $13.97, and then $20 for the replacement shirts.
                            Me: (Awesome, this should be simple!) No problem ma'am, the way things work is (explanation of what I explained above about how we ship available stuff right away).
                            SC: Why do you do that? That seems silly!
                            Me: (No, we just want you to enjoy the available items sooner, not make you wait on one or two.) It's because we can't hold and guarantee items for customers, when you order, we ship it out as soon as we can if it's available. As for the statement, (starts explaining the shipping split)...
                            SC: That doesn't make sense.
                            Me: Uhm, okay, let me try to be a little clearer then... (goes about it a different way)...
                            SC: Sorry, that's still stupid. It sounds like you're punishing me for an item being backordered!
                            Me: (...what) No ma'am, we just split the shipping up, you're only paying the $6.95 on your $20 order...
                            SC: Can you get me a supervisor?
                            Me: (You can't fix stupid!) Sure, just a moment.

                            Sup's station is right behind me, so I transfer and listen to him hit his head against the wall for a while (she screamed and I could hear it from my cubicle), but somehow, he got through to her! And even though he got through to her, he waived her return shipping on returning the too large shirts, and that satisfied her. If $6.95 would only solve ALL the problems....
                            Last edited by Kalani; 09-23-2011, 05:07 AM.

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                            • #15
                              I hate the ones who call about billing and have no clue what's actually going on no matter how many times you explain it. Especially when they start freaking out about it.
                              "I was only LOOKING, I didn't mean to enter my card's CVV and actually ORDER! REFUND ME RIGHT NOW!!"

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