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  • Preventing a Robbery

    *** Warning: this may be a controversial post involving the use of firearms ***
    *** If you are offended by firearms, click the 'back' button now ***

    Back in the mid-90's for a few years I delivered pizzas part time. It was in a small town and crime wasn't much of an issue until the last couple of years. We had our "no go" areas but they were off limits because none of the houses were numbered and too many residents would try to scam discounts and freebies.

    I've carried a weapon since I was 21, which is the legal age to carry in Georgia. In 1995 the law was changed to allow concealed carry with the Georgia Firearms License, which I had obtained as soon as I turned 21 in 1992. Company rules be damned, I kept my sidearm (a Colt M1911A1) in the car.

    It was 96 or 97. We'd started getting the occasional call to deliver to abandoned houses in bad neighborhoods but no robberies yet. I got a delivery to a decent line of apartments on a street where we'd had no incidents. The street starts out as part of the town, then quickly turns into a rural area once past the county jail.

    This was also the last time I allowed a lighted company sign on my car.

    About a mile from the street, a car pulled out of a gas station and followed me, closing quickly. By the time I turned onto the street and began trying to look for the house number, the car was so close I could not see the headlights.

    I sped up, the car sped up. No way I could stop without being rear-ended. So I sped up more and the car stayed right on my tail. We passed the jail and I whipped off into the parking lot of a county dumpster area. The car followed and stopped. I spun my car around and opened the door.

    All 4 doors on the other car opened and 4 people started getting out. I jumped out with my .45 aimed directly at the car that had chased me.

    All 4 doors quickly closed and I've never seen an 80's model Toyota burn rubber but this one did.

    I completed the delivery then reported most of the incident, leaving out the part about me being armed. Although the manager knew I carried.

    About a month later, another driver was dispatched to a delivery that turned out to be an abandoned house and he was beaten and put in the hospital. He recovered with no permanent injuries, thank God, and his car wasn't stolen.

    From then on, we had quite a few "no go" areas and a zero tolerance policy for bullshit. At that store and the next one I worked for, every so often I'd be asked to ride along with a driver to a questionable delivery. One store owner told me "well you know the company prohibits firearms" and I just smiled and said "ok, if I ever have to shoot a robber, I'll shout very loudly 'I quit!' before I pull the trigger. that should cover you on liability if anyone sues". He just laughed.

    He said that while I was showing him my newest .45 at the time as well as the riot shotgun I also kept in the car.

    I have a lot of respect for all of you who deliver pizzas. You really never know when you'll have a delivery that goes south. Take care and be safe out there. And remember one thing. If your state has a 'castle doctrine' the worst you'll face is being fired but hey at least you'll be alive to look for another job.
    Proud Oath Keeper and 3 Percenter!

  • #2
    Given the circumstances, I can't see anybody blaming you for what you did. A lot of the arguments against firearms is that a lot of people are too irresponsible to own or use a firearm for self-defense. Regardless of the validity of these arguments, by merely intimidating your would-be robbers with your gun, you showed responsibility and good judgement.

    I know I would have let the adrenaline get to me and start crazy shooting like I was playing GTA. That's why I don't own guns. Knowing my luck, they'd be good samaritans who just wanted to tell me my gas cap was off.
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    • #3
      I apologize for the threadjack, but this story reminded me of something that actually happened to me yesterday and is about the prevention of a robbery and use of firearms, so I thought I would share it.

      I currently work in fast food, but I am training to be a police officer and so I also have a concealed carry permit and I carry frequently. Yesterday I was at my university and I found out my first class of the day was canceled. I decided to go sleep in my car for the two hours until my next class. During my nap I hear a couple of girls talking next to my car, but I don't think much of it. Then I hear the door handle of my car being pulled. (I had it locked.) I immediately bolt up and place my hand on my weapon, but do not draw. They ran off.

      Not too much drama, but really? How do you miss the sleeping girl in the backseat with an exposed firearm on her hip?!?

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      • #4
        Quoth notlovinit View Post
        How do you miss the sleeping girl in the backseat
        Depends, are you fairly certain they were trying to steal something? I used to doze off in my car, mostly because it was "me" time and I could avoid interacting with roommates. I was embarrassed a few times when someone knocked on the window to make sure I was okay. Twice that included a fireman from the station next door. I stopped dozing in my car when it was parked on the street after that.
        A lion however, will only devour your corpse, whereas an SC is not sated until they have destroyed your soul. (Quote per infinitemonkies)

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        • #5
          I'm fairly certain they weren't trying to see if I was okay, because when I bolted up they got the deer in headlights look and one girl shouted, "Oh shit! She's in the car!" and they took off running. Also, it's fairly common for students to sleep in their cars at my school. I guess I can't be certain they wanted to take anything from my car, but I can't think of any other reason. Maybe they wanted to take a nap in there

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          • #6
            Quoth notlovinit View Post
            ...they got the deer in headlights look and one girl shouted, "Oh shit! She's in the car!" and they took off running.
            If those were their actual words, it sounds an awful lot like they knew whose car it was they were trying to get into.

            ^-.-^
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            • #7
              Quoth Andara Bledin View Post
              If those were their actual words, it sounds an awful lot like they knew whose car it was they were trying to get into.

              ^-.-^
              That's true, it does sort of imply that they knew it was my car, but I didn't recognize them so I don't know. That does sort of open up another possibility though. This did happen on my birthday so maybe someone I do know told them to go do something to my car and the girls didn't realize I was in it. Kind of far fetched for my friends, but maybe

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              • #8
                Hopefully it's something harmless. But just in case, you should be careful.

                ^-.-^
                Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

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                • #9
                  Quoth Andara Bledin View Post
                  If those were their actual words, it sounds an awful lot like they knew whose car it was they were trying to get into.
                  I was thinking along the same lines (yeah yeah I may be paranoid)...the thing is, I can think of one very good reason for someone to specifically target your car "while you are not in it" -- the possibility that you might have left a firearm behind.

                  Granted, I hope that I'm wrong, but it's old news now anyway, thank goodness
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                  • #10
                    I'm from the UK, where handguns are banned. I find the tales involving the carrying permits fascinating, as it's such a cultural difference. 8)

                    Though if it were different, I doubt I'd trust myself with the responsibility or the maintainence of a handgun. I've shot a gun before, a military rifle of some kind with green plastic stock/handle thing (not sure of term) using blanks when I was in the CCF at school, and my housemate was in a rifle shooting/BB club at her school.
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                    • #11
                      I'm from Texas, and I've owned a rifle since I was a kid, my dad was a long-haul truck driver and always had his concealed handgun (yes, licensed) a rifle and a shotgun in his truck, and they've seen their fair share of use. Not firing per say, except warning shots, because that's usually enough to get the crooks to leave-but usually just pulling it out and waving it will make 'em think twice about messing with you.

                      You totally did the right thing, and I think it's stupid that companies, particularly such easy targets as pizza deliveries and such, don't allow firearms. That's just begging for trouble.

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                      • #12
                        They were definitely after you, pulling the handgun out nipped it in the bud & they booked it out of there.
                        A 100% good call on you, as they was no other thing they could have been doing.

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                        • #13
                          Quoth SongsOfDragons View Post
                          I've shot a gun before, a military rifle of some kind with green plastic stock/handle thing (not sure of term) using blanks when I was in the CCF at school,
                          That'll probably be the L,98A1 - the cadet version of the SA 80. I too shot them, spending many hours on the range.
                          A PSA, if I may, as well as another.

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                          • #14
                            Quoth crazylegs View Post
                            That'll probably be the L,98A1 - the cadet version of the SA 80. I too shot them, spending many hours on the range.
                            Yes!! That's the one!!

                            I suuucked at it. XP
                            "...Muhuh? *blink-blink* >_O *roll over* ZZZzzz......"

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                            • #15
                              Quoth Clover View Post
                              You totally did the right thing, and I think it's stupid that companies, particularly such easy targets as pizza deliveries and such, don't allow firearms. That's just begging for trouble.
                              The problem is that the company simply responds to that argument with "That's just begging for lawsuits."

                              Even if the driver was in the right, was actively being robbed, and was not found criminally responsible for shooting the robbers, the robbers with the right lawyers can still make the pizza chain pay for the robber's injuries. Hell, homeowners have been sued by burglars who got injured on their property.
                              Fiancee: We're going to need to do laundry. I'm out of clean pants.
                              Me: Sounds like a job for Gravekeeper!
                              Fiancee: What?!
                              Me: Nevermind.

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