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    About eight years ago, I was working at a large department store. One night I was in some remote department, this register that rarely got any traffic, and was stocked with merchandise that sold poorly.

    After a generally uneventful shift on a slow day, it was coming up on closing time. I was looking forward to going home, so I was just about to start to close out my register. The announcement comes over the PA that the store will be closing in a few minutes, and that now is the time for any final purchases.

    Only moments before I key in the code to shut down the register, a man walks up, with his wife and two kids in tow behind him. He's got an armful of merchandise he wants to buy. Okay, I'm here to do my job and check you out: so I scan all his stuff, bag it, and am ready to finish this when I ask how he will be paying for it.

    He says it will be by a check. Okay, he writes a check for the entire sum (~$400), and hands it to me, and is about to just take the bag and run off. However, I have to tell him:

    "One moment sir, I have to enter the check into the register first".

    You see, we can't just accept checks outright, in fact, we don't even make the say on it. We have to first enter the ID number they used to identify themselves for buying with a check, so I key in his Driver's License number first. The registers also have this little scanner that reads the MICR numbers on the check and verifies whether or not to accept the check. I guess it's some kind of credit verification or looking for bad checks on the same account or some other red flags.

    Well, our little check verification system refuses to accept his check. It says I have to take another form of payment. He gets irate and says to run it through again. I take this moment to look at the check. . .

    It's drawn on a two-party check, drawn on an out-of-state bank (and he's from this state, so he's paying with a check from a bank that's out of state to him), with a home address listed that didn't match the Driver's License, and wasn't even from the same state as the bank, much less his ID. It's like a textbook case of a check not to accept. I try to politely tell him that I can't accept the check, and I can still accept cash, store gift cards, or credit & debit cards.

    He gets irate, and says I'm insulting him by saying his checks are no good, and that I'm being a very bad sales clerk for treating a customer this way. He's getting very dramatic on me, acting like he's putting on a show or something. He's demanding to see my manager (who clocked out about 5 minutes ago, my manager was always first out the door), demanding I give him store credit to make up for this insult, demanding I accept the check or he's never shopping here again, demanding my full name (instead of the first name on my name tag) so he can call and complain about me to my boss. Then says he owns stock in the company and will make sure I'm fired if I don't comply (I happen to know the store is privately held by one family, and he doesn't have their surname).

    I notice that his wife is blushing bright red, averting her eyes, and looks utterly mortified. The younger of his kids pipes up and says:

    "Daddy, you do this every time we go shopping!" To which he snaps his head over with a vengeful glare and shushes her and returns to me to continue trying to browbeat me into accepting the obviously bad check.

    By this point, other sales associates are walking by, taking their final register take for the night to the office upstairs and clocking out, and some of the lights are being turned off. I know that if I don't shut down soon, the store manager or security will be along in a few minutes. I was betting that security was already watching this entire spectacle on the security cameras.

    I make my stand and tell him that in no uncertain terms: I'm not allowed to accept a check from him on that account, I cannot override it, I would be fired if I just accepted it and gave him the merchandise, and the store is closing, so please pay with another form of payment or please leave.

    He gets an outright angry grimace on his face and says that he's never been so insulted in his life and my manager, my manager's manager, and my manager's manager's manager will hear about my bad attitude the next day, that he will go to the media with the story of how insulting they are to their customers, and that I will regret the day I ever crossed him. His family in tow, they leave and from a quick glance, they got into an argument out in the parking lot.

    I cancel the entire transaction, leave the bag to be reshelved the next day, quickly close out my register, and am taking the bag up just as the manager supervising the close was coming out to ask what happened. I told him I had somebody trying to pull a check scam as the store was closing, and was hoping to use the urgency of closing the store to get me to accept a check that our computers said was bogus. He nods and takes my money pouch, as I clock out and end that day.

  • #2
    Good for you on standing your ground! ^_^

    It's pretty obvious from the way his wife and kid (from the mouths of babes, eh?) responded that he has tried this many, MANY times before -- and hopefully, failed every time.
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    • #3
      Quoth EricKei View Post
      It's pretty obvious from the way his wife and kid (from the mouths of babes, eh?) responded that he has tried this many, MANY times before -- and hopefully, failed every time.
      And one of these days, he's going to do it to the wrong person and end up in jail for fraud. What a horrible example to set for the children. His wife should ditch him.
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      • #4
        Quoth XCashier View Post
        His wife should ditch him.
        She might not have to. If he keeps doing what he's doing...he'll either end up in jail, or get his ass beat. Not everyone is as nice about getting ripped off. I know of a local hobby shop...who would actually post the names of bad check writers on the wall behind the counter. Granted, they'd black out the account numbers, but there's nothing like a little 'shaming' to avoid being ripped off. I can understand bouncing a check. Shit happens. But, if you're willfully going around writing rubber checks, then you deserve the penalties and all that comes with it.
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        • #5
          I agree. If he keeps this up long enough, eventually, he's going to get busted.

          Good on the kid for being honest.
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          • #6
            Sounds to me like he had some old checks from an account that was closed years ago that he was trying to pass.

            Check fraud . . . yeah. He's going to land in jail sooner or later pulling this crap.
            They say that God only gives us what we can handle. Apparently, God thinks I'm a bad ass.

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            • #7
              Given how many years ago this was, I sometimes wonder if he ever did land in jail because of his antics. Probably. Hopefully his wife left him, took the kids, and found a non-deadbeat guy.

              I had to hold in laughing at him when he insisted he owned stock in the store and was a major shareholder and would use his pull as a big shareholder to get me fired. . . that store chain is not publicly traded. It's privately held by one family. They gave one celebrity a small share in the company as payment for a big product endorsement deal. You could write down the name every stockholder on an index card and have room left over. . .and every time a stockholder was coming to visit the store (which happened every few months) we always got a week or two notice and made sure to have the store inspection-ready for when they showed up (and they were always escorted by the store manager, so even if you didn't recognize the shareholder, you'd know when you saw the manager of the store walking a V.I.P. around on a day you knew a shareholder was present what was going on.

              I was already deeply suspicious since the store we were at was in one state, the checks had a home address in another state, the bank the checks were on was in yet another state, and his home address was in another state. This was also shortly before the Check 21 Act was passed, so check shenanigans were easier to pull off.

              The kids acting like he did this all the time and his wife being visibly embarrassed didn't help his case either.

              I kinda wish they'd had good video footage of it to use in training. It was the worst check scam I'd ever seen in my time in Retail: typically they were just people trying to pass a check the computer would reject and they'd insist it was good.

              This guy came in when the store was about to close, trying to use my urgency to get out and go home to work to his advantage. He had a textbook case of a questionable check. He had his family with him (maybe he thought I wouldn't embarrass him in front of his wife and kids). He became instantly belligerent at the suggestion there was any problem with the check and made multiple easily-caught lies while trying to insult me.

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              • #8
                His family must think he's insane. I got a feeling its only a matter of time before the wife decides to divorce this pathetic loser of a scam artist
                As for his bogus threats, I think its freakin hilarious when they say they're gonna go to the news about this and make other pointless threats. I had a guy once trying to play the big shot when his card got declined, saying, "This card has a $250,000 credit limit! I shouldn't be getting declined!" Ok whatever mr big shot

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                • #9
                  Quoth protege View Post
                  I know of a local hobby shop...who would actually post the names of bad check writers on the wall behind the counter. Granted, they'd black out the account numbers, but there's nothing like a little 'shaming' to avoid being ripped off.
                  In a prior area I lived, there was a dry cleaner who posted the returned checks under a sign that read WHY I DON'T TAKE CHECKS.
                  Quoth protege View Post
                  But, if you're willfully going around writing rubber checks, then you deserve the penalties and all that comes with it.
                  Sooner or later, he'll get busted. I agree that the family in tow, were very likely sympathy props.
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                  • #10
                    Why the hell is the manager the first one out?? How can they just close and leave you like that? Wouldn't they wait til everybody is out before leaving? Who locks up then? And that dude was a jerk! Good for you for standing up to him.

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                    • #11
                      Quoth Anakah View Post
                      How can they just close and leave you like that? Wouldn't they wait til everybody is out before leaving? Who locks up then?
                      How can they? Poor leadership. I've got no freaking clue how those people got management jobs.

                      As for who locks up, this was a big department store, one of those multi-story anchor stores in a major urban ball. There were a few managers on duty, as each department has a manager (and 1 or two full-time employees and a dozen or so part-timers), and those managers rotate who is actually working there at any given time.

                      The actual locking-up the store goes to the Store Manager (and Assistant Store Manager), my bosses boss, the guy with the office upstairs who has access to the safe and is seldom seen on the actual sales floor.

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