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  • Thread: 3 reasons why a mom-and-pop shop is better than a PC repair chain.

    Think you’re doing your PC a favor by bringing it to one of the big retail chains? Think again!

    This article will explain why it’s better to have your PC repaired at a local mom-and-pop computer shop, or even by a local freelancer, than going to one of the big retail-based chain depots.

    1: Independent techs are usually more knowledgeable.

    Reason: Retail-based repair depots are so big that finding people who really “know their stuff” is difficult. After all, they have 1,000+ stores to fill with techs. Do you really think that they care if a tech is savvy enough to fix a difficult issue without formatting? Don’t think so. They will look for someone that knows how to talk a good game to customers and as long as he knows how to uncheck boxes in the system configuration utility or run ad-aware.

    2: Independent techs will not falsify a diagnosis to get you to buy something.

    Reason: Retail-based repair depots are in a store with numbers to meet. As such, they will many times push their techs to stretch the truth to get you to buy an extra product or service. Mom-and-pop shops and freelancers don’t have to worry about a suit in a cushy office breathing down their back, so when they tell you something, almost all the time it’ll be an honest diagnosis. Plus, at many retail-based repair depots those “techs” are actually just salespeople that have been stuck behind the tech counter, and their first job to do is to sell you stuff.

    3: Independent techs are not restricted to what software tools they can use (this is the biggest of all).

    Reason: Many of the software that is out there to fix various problems are freeware. Meaning free to use forever. However, one look in the license agreement almost always has 2 clauses: “only for private, non-commercial” use and “not for profit use only.” Retail-based chains certainly don’t fit either of those categories. The first clause is self-explanatory – no business use. The second clause is there because even though using the tool doesn’t cost the customer anything, chains are charging people for their services and using the tool to fix the problem therefore making a profit off of it. Some of the chains have tried to use freeware software (even if a certain one is the only tool that really gets rid of a certain virus) and have gotten sued by the vendors of the software for license violations. Because of this, the retail chains restrict their techs to only using software that’s on an “allowed software” list. The software listed on this list is software that the vendors have given the chain permission to use. Many times this software does not get the job done (many viruses, for example, require specialized tools that are “hands off” for corporations to touch) and chains are forced to format the machine after spending days running scanner after scanner. And techs cannot tell customers “we had to format because we are not legally cleared to use the software that takes care of the issue.” To the retail-based chains, formatting is better than risking being sued for resolving a customer’s problem.

    Now you may be asking, “freelancers and mom-and-pop shops also make a profit by using freeware software to fix problems, why aren’t they restricted?” The answer is simple: they are a small goldfish in a sea of whales. Software vendors won’t go after a small mom-and-pop shop because they know that they would probably only get “chump change” from going after them, and it’s just not worth it after paying the lawyers. They won’t go after a freelancer because most freelancers are doing their work as a hobby on their spare time off from their day-job. As such, because they’re free to use anything to fix the problem, a mom-and-pop shop or a freelancer would most likely be able to fix your issue in a couple of hours without formatting where as the retail chain would keep the PC for days and then call you up and say, “we did all we can, we have to format now.”

    Your next question may be, “then why don’t the retail chains make the effort to get better software they CAN use?” It’s not that simple. First, the suits in the store’s corporate headquarters need to talk to the vendor’s legal dept. By the time the vendor lets the chain use a piece of their software, it may not be as effective as it once was. Secondly, even if a vendor does gives its blessing to use its software it may want a crazy amount of money, like a couple of million dollars or so. And some vendors refuse to let a corporation touch their software no matter how much money the store wants to pony up.
    Last edited by sld72382; 08-09-2007, 03:06 AM.

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    All I can say, having worked and occasionally still do work for a (literally) mom-and-pop store & sometimes do private work, is

    Great post.

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    • #3
      Moved - Tech Help is for forummers who need technical assistance.

      Rapscallion

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      • #4
        And thus we have a summary of why I'm quitting. Realize also that formatting is a great way to fix a computer in a pinch. Why? The typical SC does not want to wait for you to figure a new problem out.
        Last edited by Pezzle; 08-09-2007, 07:31 AM.

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        • #5
          Quoth sld72382 View Post
          2: Independent techs will not falsify a diagnosis to get you to buy something.

          Reason: Retail-based repair depots are in a store with numbers to meet. As such, they will many times push their techs to stretch the truth to get you to buy an extra product or service. Mom-and-pop shops and freelancers don’t have to worry about a suit in a cushy office breathing down their back.
          OTOH, smaller shops frequently feel cash-flow pinch and have incentive that way, or just want to get as much money as they can any way possible. There was a study done once, as I recall, about a person doing a sting at car shops, and found that you were roughly as likely to be gouged at a small shop as a dealership. I can't help but think that computer shops would run roughly the same way.

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          • #6
            Quoth Gurndigarn View Post
            There was a study done once, as I recall, about a person doing a sting at car shops, and found that you were roughly as likely to be gouged at a small shop as a dealership. I can't help but think that computer shops would run roughly the same way.
            Don't know about other shops, but we were honest.

            In fact, customers would take advantage of my boss. He's a good guy, but he believes in the hated phrase too much.

            Example - I noticed one day this week when he called me in to work that there was a machine we worked on before. My boss fixed it, and called her with the results and the bill. She said that she hadn't used it since it'd been fixed by him (yeah, right - pulled records shown that it was last fixed in February last year! Who lets a computer set unused for over a full year, and when is not using it in that time my boss' fault???), and that she shouldn't be charged. Of course, the last time I went into the shop (he lets me use the shop's high-speed connection, like I said, nice guy), her tag had the charges scratched out.

            So glad I'm going back to school in the fall...

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              Last time

              Quoth RichS View Post
              She said that she hadn't used it since it'd been fixed by him (yeah, right - pulled records shown that it was last fixed in February last year! Who lets a computer set unused for over a full year, and when is not using it in that time my boss' fault???), and that she shouldn't be charged.
              Last couple of times some claimed that I just did a search on the 'Last Modified' date. Harder to do than in my favorite OS BeOS, so many people don't realize it is easy to do.

              Aside from Internet Explorer files, finding games installed and ran after the last repair, Word documents modified after the last repair and other examples means no discount to the customer.

              Only once did we find only a few system files updated, as to be expected from the booting. We gave that customer no charges to get it fixed properly the second time around.

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              • #8
                Quoth Rapscallion View Post
                Moved - Tech Help is for forummers who need technical assistance.
                This thread could go wither way.

                As for the OP, I agree, with the exception of a lot of 'franchise' PC stores. You'll usually get the same corporate result as a lot of large chain stores with only the Ma&Pa look. I was seriously burned by one (*every* component I bought form them has failed except the CPU and the case, and I think it's hard for the case to fail).

                Independents are a great way to go, for any knowledge level. They respect people who go in and know what they want and how to do it and will also give the neophyte the time and patience for them to learn, plus the clientelle will usually listen to the people who work there, too.

                Ma&Pa places also need to compete with the HUGE chains that have corporate backing and advertising. What sets the Ma&Pa places apart is the customer service. I think it was PC world rated the best Ma&Pa places in the US, #1 was near Portsmouth, NH. The owner drove over 2 hours each way (I think he want to Keene) to deliver a video card that went bad on on of his customer's PCs. Installed it and took are of the RMA for the bad video card. See if your local Geek Squad will do that, for free.
                Last edited by draggar; 08-11-2007, 12:19 PM.
                Quote Dalesys:
                ... as in "Ifn thet dawg comes at me, Ima gonna shutz ma panz!"

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                • #9
                  The owner drove over 2 hours each way (I think he want to Keene) to deliver a video card that went bad on on of his customer's PCs. Installed it and took are of the RMA for the bad video card. See if your local Geek Squad will do that, for free.
                  Now THAT'S customer service!

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                  • #10
                    I don't think it can be stressed enough that the tech people at big box stores are first and foremost salespeople and if they know about computers then that's considered a bonus.

                    Also, the more often a computer needs repaired, the closer the store comes to making its tech quotas. Think about that the next time you or someone you know is on their third or more trip back to a big box to have their machines looked at.
                    "You know, there are times when it's a source of personal pride not to be human." - Hobbes

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                    • #11
                      Quoth CancelMyService View Post
                      I don't think it can be stressed enough that the tech people at big box stores are first and foremost salespeople and if they know about computers then that's considered a bonus.

                      Also, the more often a computer needs repaired, the closer the store comes to making its tech quotas. Think about that the next time you or someone you know is on their third or more trip back to a big box to have their machines looked at.
                      We're not all like that. I will sometimes put random SKUs in to discount services for repeat customers, our services are also guaranteed for thirty days. Yes we will stretch the truth (and I hate doing it, so I try not to) to exceed our PCI/HTI/PCIH budgets but sabotage doesn't usually happen.

                      For instance, some people I know/work with will say you need a dvd drive without checking to see if its connected I called one of them on it once. They were pissed.

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