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    For those of you familiar, I have a... difficult family life. My father likes to wear the mask of an asshole sometimes, basically.

    When my sister moved out for a few days, he seemed to take it as a lesson and started acting better, until Cedar Point happened.

    I thought my mother was crazy. Money is tight enough as it is. It doesn't make sense to me that she'd go off on me about gas for college one moment, then decide we have money to go to an amusement park.

    But she confided in me she thought it would bring our family together, and I decided to go along.

    I was sick from the stomach bug, and stayed in the hotel until we went out to dinner. (Weirdest thing about the stomach bug going around here is the symptoms completely go away if you eat). Both Mom and I are gluten-intolerant, though she gets significantly worse symptoms than I do.

    The restaurant seemed to decide gluten free was just a fad diet, so both my mother and I get sick.

    I get a mild, persistent headache, and sleep for like, 15 hours a day. Gluten knocks me the hell out. Mom gets migraines.

    So, only 2 hours later, I was asleep. I remember vaguely hearing my mother ask for a pillow, and getting it.

    Reportedly, here's what happened while I was out:

    My sister stayed on her laptop, and was told to go to bed. She asked to stay until 11, and my father kept telling her to put it away. Then slammed it on her hands, and told her to go to bed.

    11:45, she gets up and goes outside.

    11:55, she comes back in, and my father flips the fuck out.

    He tells her Mom has a migraine, and we're all in the same hotel room, and she's being incredibly inconsiderate. I won't argue any of that.

    But then he suggested my sister /gave/ my mother her migraine. And, if she didn't go to bed, Mom wouldn't get better. And, if Mom didn't get better, we would just get up and go home, and skip Cedar Point. And he said 'you'll be happy then.'

    She started crying.

    Him: Yeah, Cry!

    I'm kinda:

    I'm pretending to be asleep, but my sister comes over and lays on the floor next to the bed we were supposed to be sharing. I drop my body pillow down so she has something to hug and cry into.

    Mom sighs and asks why she's doing that.

    Sister: It'll make less noise... (the beds were creaky)
    Mom: The bed doesn't bother me...

    Mom gets up and hugs my sister, trying to console her.

    Me: Mom, do you want some of my painkillers? (one of the myriad of linked posts explains I have them for an arthritic ankle.)
    Dad: That would have been nice HOURS ago!
    Me: I don't think [sister] or I knew the headache was that bad...
    Mom: I had a pillow over my head. I only do that if I have a migraine.

    I get out two, and give them to Mom. She takes them. Dad gets up for a smoke.

    Me: I'm going to take my sister downstairs and calm her down.
    Mom: I'm going for a smoke. Do what you have to do.

    So I take her downstairs, and figured I was going to stay awake the rest of the night, and let her sleep in the quiet lobby.

    Not even five minutes later, the elevator dings, and my father steps out.

    Father: GET YOUR ASS UPSTAIRS NOW
    Me: Okay, just let me get my keycard.
    Father: NOW!
    Me: *fumbles around in purse*
    Father: If you don't get up there now, we're going to pack up and go home right now, and waste all that money for Cedar Point!

    I find the keycard, get up, and we follow him upstairs.

    Father: I wasn't going to sleep until you got back, and when you got back, you'd be waking Mom up again.

    My sister and I both got into bed. I hugged her, and held her hand until she went to sleep.

    After Cedar Point, my sister asked to go stay at my place so I could help her with her AP English homework.

    Dad: I don't think that's what you need to be working on. You need to sleep.
    Me: I have a regular sleeping schedule. Down by 10, up by 6. I can make her stick to it too.
    Dad: Fine.

    She came home, with the stuff she had packed for Cedar Point. I had no bed for her, so she's been sleeping on a reclining chair.

    The next part, I can show you exactly, (with some redacted parts) because they were over email:

    I will go to bed this evening hurt and disappointed. [sister] you showed serious disrespect to me several times last night. In the household I grew up in disrespect and deceit were dealt with in a strict manner. I felt the first time I told you to turn off the computer and go to bed, you should have done it. The 2nd time when I got out of bed and very clearly told you to “put the computer away” that I was extremely clear. Then came the third time on the deck, and the 4th time downstairs. The way I was raised, that level of disrespect would have resulted in never seeing that computer again, period, no discussion. You never apologized and in my opinion you lied about why you are at [Cooper's] right now. You never said thank you for the trip, you did not even bother to say goodbye.

    [Cooper] in my opinion when you went downstairs with her to “get her to stop crying” you should have been adult enough and smart enough to tell her not to bring the computer. When you both left, you guaranteed that I still would not be able to go to sleep until you came back. I wonder how you both feel about me but I love you both. There was no way I could fall asleep until you were back. I also figured it guaranteed that Mom would be woke up again when you came back. Then I had to tell both of you 2-3 times to come back on the elevator before either of you moved. Again, disrespect.

    I felt my father was too strict. Probably thought about him many times the way you both think about me. I tried to change hopefully for the better in the way I raised my children. But I will say this, I never treated my father nearly as poorly as the way I feel I am treated yesterday and today. I told you I adjusted how I raised you kids based on the way I felt growing up. If you do the same, I hope you do better than I feel I have done.

    Good night girls, I love you both.

    Dad
    I wrote:

    [sister] is staying here for her emotional health. She needs some distance from the situation. I want to stress I did not invite her. This was not an attempt to drive a wedge between you and her. [He has accused me of this several times before] She asked me to stay, and I have a policy in that I will never reject her request to stay. I made it clear to her the day I moved out, that she was always welcome here. It's up to you guys to get her to come back, or make her come back.

    [sister] apologized several times for last night, and felt she was getting dismissed, especially when you belittled her for crying.

    I feel some of the things you said were unfair. Neither [sister] nor I were aware Mom's headache was as bad as it was. [sister] claims she didn't hear you the first time. Of course I would have offered Mom a painkiller if I was aware she had a migraine, but it appears I was asleep for most of the signs.

    When we went downstairs, the plan was not to return to the room. I figured I had five hours of sleep, which was what I had functioned on the previous day, so I felt I was fine, and I felt [sister] would tire herself out fairly quickly, and she would sleep in the upper lobby, while I would use my computer to kill time until morning. I will admit that I didn't consider you being worried about us.

    [Sister] and I weren't aware until the third time you talked about it how bad Mom's headache was. [Sister] says she couldn't hear through her headphones, and I was already drifting in and out of consciousness.

    When you get that mad at us, I feel like pulling a rabbit; staying as still as possible. I know it makes you more upset, but I can't help it; it's an instinctual response. I clasped onto the card as an excuse for not moving, I admit.

    We do care about you. I admit to having demonized you in the past, so I could handle our sometimes tumultuous relationship. After therapy it was clear what I was doing, and it wasn't necessary anymore anyway.

    I really want to discuss this in family therapy. It wasn't an attempt to make guidelines for me moving back in--if I wanted to move back in I wouldn't have put out over a hundred applications. It was an attempt to stop fights like these before they happen, because they aren't good for any of us. We need to be able to discuss things like this in a safe zone with a neutral moderator, and our therapist is good at what he does, and is capable of that.

    -[Cooper]

    P.S. I put [sister] to bed hours ago. I read the letter just before I was going to go to sleep, and it took me several hours to think of a response. I'm in the bathroom, with the light off, so she hasn't been woken up, and the alarm is still set for a reasonable time--8. Not perfect, but it's getting there.
    From this letter, you are still demonizing me and I am done. [sister] apologized for waking Mom, that is not my point. [sister] did not hear me the first time? That’s a lie because she responded. 10 more minutes, 2nd time, 6 more minutes. [sister] cannot honestly say she did not hear me. Then it was under the covers when I closed her computer. Then on the patio. I was repeatedly clear, heard and ignored. Just as I feel happens over and over. I know, I am a demon and you two are abused. Personally, I feel I am the abused one.

    You both show me no respect. If I can’t make her put her computer away, I certainly cannot make her come home. If you are going to therapy, then you need to be honest with yourselves. I hope you two have a good life together.

    Dad
    The conversation continues over IM, with my mother.

    Mom: Dad is pretty upset and I just don't know what to do from here.
    I told him we should go and try the therapy session and he said he would
    so, you can set it up. But it has to be like 6:30 or 7 pm so we can make it.

    Me: I guess [sister] is staying here until the therapy session, since Dad just sent a wish we had a good life.

    Mom: he's mad and frustrated.
    We both are kind of feeling like you both don't really care how we feel
    you probably feel the same .. but in a family there has to be consideration all around
    so I am hoping doing to the therapy will help us all understand each other better
    we can't stop being parents because [sister's] feelings got hurt because she wasn't thinking of anyone but herself
    your dad was trying to point that out .. and maybe he didn't do a good job at it
    she was told several times to shut off the computer .. and isn't there usually consequences when kids disregard their parents?

    Me: [sister] was being inconsiderate, and she agrees, and I agree. What he was upset about can't be denied, but he went on to imply that she caused your headache, and if you didn't recover we were going to waste that money and it would be all her fault.
    And money has become a sore spot with all of us I think.
    Thursday the 29th at 8 is the appointment. The place is [place]. [Directions]

    Mom: I know where it is
    I didn't agree with that statement from him as I would have sent you all in the park if I wasn't feeling up to it

    Me: I know. And we did have fun at the park. Every roller coaster ride we went on was awesome.

    Mom: it was great .. and it's too bad all this has dimmed my enjoyment

    Me: I agree.

    Mom: dad just feels he's being blamed for everything and is lashing out
    I do feel he's gotten the raw end of the deal here .. he loves you both but he feels he can't say or do anything any normal parent can do without being made out to be the bad guy

    Cooper: I had a much longer letter I decided not to send where I acknowledged your guys's upbringings and how you guys were a lot better than that.
    I also acknowledged that [sister's] and my issues ([sister's] aspergers, my depression and anxiety) have colored our perception of everything negatively, where sometimes we create situations where there are none. I worry [sister] is showing up with depression too, especially with how she's reacted after this last fight.

    Mom: she has always been extremely sensitive and we know that
    but her computer has become way more important than anything else. She doesn't participate in the real world and doesn't really care to
    I just don't know what to do .. and I told your dad therapy can't hurt and maybe we'll all understand each other better at least
    he's going because I asked him to .. and it's a good first step
    we'll just go from there
    My mother sent a request for more pain pills since they knocked her headache out. I told her I was out, but I was going into town tomorrow. My sister joined me into town for two apple pies. (She's easy to bribe XD)

    I take ten pills out of my bottle, figuring that will last her until gluten gets out of her system.

    I step inside, preparing for battle, and find it rather anticlimactic to find nobody is there. I put the pills on her desk, with a sign stating 'pain pills.'

    I decide to take this opportunity to slip into my sister's room and pack up some stuff to last the next few days.

    My mother comes in.

    Mom: What do you want?
    Me: I brought you pain pills.
    Mom: I think it's disgusting your sister won't come in here. Is she afraid to face us? Why? We won't hurt her. We haven't even spanked you guys before! (lie)
    Me: She didn't know I was grabbing some stuff for her.
    Mom: It's like we're not even allowed to be parents. We can't do normal parent things without you guys losing it. Dad just sent me up to see what you wanted.
    Me: Well, I delivered pain pills.

    I grab the two bags I packed, one full of clothes, and one that has her AP English book, controller, and a few other things she probably wanted or needed.

    Me: Have a good day.

    I drop the bags in the car, to find my sister had the exact same conversation with my mother about parenting.

    My sister and I are preparing for the worst outcome... that Dad just gives up and says I get unofficial custody of my sister. We're both going on a job hunt tomorrow. I need to raise money to cover last year's heating bill before it gets too cold, which I hope on doing by selling an old desktop outfitted with Linux, and a few of my textbooks I don't think I'll use again.

    Of course, if I don't get a job it doesn't matter, as I'll get kicked out of the loft (place above my parent's garage) and as my parents won't let me move back in without getting rid of a special-needs rabbit (which is fairly impossible, IMO, seeing as it was so hard to get rid of three healthy babies), I might have to face moving into my car. I have two or three people I might be able to stay with, but one of them I'd be putting in an awful position (as she's a family member), one is just a neighbour with two dogs, and another is a friend who has offered.

    And today, my aunt 'randomly' showed up saying she wanted to check in on us because she loves us... and tore into the state of my apartment (in my defence, I started cleaning it yesterday, but gluten is still in my system too, and it zaps everything out of me), and if we didn't clean up our act we'd never get married and we'd be alone for the rest of our lives. Then left.

    I have completely no idea how family therapy will go. I literally cannot imagine.

    A friend of mine requested I video-tape it, as he expects it to be awesomely terrible, and told me we didn't need a therapist, we needed a fire-fighter.

    I should add that the whole incident made my sister stop eating for about a day, and she confided in me she would have self-injured if she could have got away with it.

    I have to go back to my parent's house tomorrow, as they have a printer, and we need to print out like, 50 of my sister's resume. So I may have more to add to this post tomorrow, and I certainly will Thursday.
    Last edited by Cooper; 08-26-2013, 04:33 AM.

  • #2
    Today, she told my sister she has to move back home, and told me she 'never saw any scars from self injury' and 'never had any proof' I did it.

    I started counting out the scars, but it didn't matter. (For the record: 7. More than I thought, to be honest.)

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    • #3
      Self-injury doesn't always leave scars. And isn't always limited to cutting. Not eating is a form of it.

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      • #4
        Cooper, I'm going to be very blunt here, so forgive me if this is offensive, I'm not trying to be, but...

        Your parents seem very immature. Your dad, especially, is a drama queen. He turns every statement you make into an attack on him. He says mean things to you and your sis, then tries to justify them as "parenting" and to top it off, claims he's not as strict as his parents were, so the two of you have nothing to complain about. Everything about this situation is all about HIM, in his mind. If anything goes wrong - your mom's headache, your sister being upset - he thinks it's all your fault and your sister's fault.

        To be fair, he and your mom both seem to love you, but they are also very wrapped up in their own problems, their own needs and their "authority" as parents. I'm thinking of previous posts where you said your dad did not accept that you have anxiety and depression. Frankly, I think your parents need counseling as individuals and a couple, as well as with you and your sis as a family. Maybe part of their problem is that they feel like they have failed as parents, and they deny things like depression because they feel it's really their fault, and that's hard to admit to (and they feel helpless to fix things?)

        You're doing a wonderful caring thing by taking your sister to live with you. It just really makes me mad that your parents don't seem able to see how much they are hurting both of you.
        When you start at zero, everything's progress.

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        • #5
          Yeah, Mom seemed to think I was saying I 'cut.' Three of the scars were from that, yes, but the rest were from itty bitty burns.

          They are going to call the therapist and give him 'their side of the story.' I guess they feel I'm unfairly maligning them. How ironic.

          I tried to be very calm about it, when she was going off on my sister.

          Me: Well..
          Mom: Go ahead.
          Me: I'm not denying your rights as parent,s or saying you can't punish us--
          Mom: Cause you never deserve it, right?
          Me: Or saying that we don't deserve to be punished. I just feel like you cross the line from punishment into belittlement.
          Mom: You make us cross that line! I could say 'here is the line' and you'd just fucking cross it!

          Another thing I'm seeing ironically is that we both have long memories. She hasn't announced where the line was since I was a toddler apparently. You think I might have changed since then. XP

          She's also repeatedly used the fact that I did go on antidepressants when I was in third grade, and stopped taking them. I feel like she's holding the fact that I was a stupid kid sometimes against me.

          Meanwhile, I'm mad at them for ignoring all this stuff for years.

          I'm getting a better picture about how family therapy is going to go. It really all depends on the therapist, I guess. I know he was pretty good about calming my sister down, but as a friend said, we might not need a therapist, but a fire-fighter.

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          • #6
            Cooper, you should never give pills that have been prescribed to you to another person. I know you are just trying to keep the peace and help your mom out but if she has migraines she needs to be an adult and go to a doctor and get her own meds. If she has any sort of addictive personality you are enabling drug abuse. I hope you have some luck finding work and finding a living situation away from your parents. Your,well being is being held hostage. Threatening to make you homeless unles you do as they say is cruel and I know things are desperate. Counseling only helps if people are willing to participate and I highly doubt your father is willing. I have a father like yours and he went to therapy. He lied through his teeth for years and finally when he hit rock bottom and my sister and I had moved away did he face his demons and truly work on being less combative. Having a safe and stable place to live and my own source of income really helped me distance my self from the emotional abuse. I also have gluten intolerance from celiacs so I know what you are going through there. See if your insurance covers a dietitian and they can teach you how to deal with restaurants. You have to be assertive and make it clear it isn't a fad for you and that there are serious consequences. In the uk a restraunt was fined 2k for feeding a person with celiacs the wrong pasta and new anti discrimination laws are moving forward in the USA to prevent people with serious allergies and intolerances from being served theming they are allergic or intolerant to. I wish you the best in resolving this.

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            • #7
              I figured I might get something for that. She's been on lots of narcotic and non-narcotic pain meds for years, and got addicted to none. She didn't have any on hand because since she got off gluten about 6 months ago, she stopped having migraines... unless she had gluten.

              I'm not saying it's right, but I'm the only one who has decent health insurance. (Medicaid.) She can't afford to go to the doctor because she needs to get a few migraines out of her system. And it's not like I can really say no. As I said, money is a very touchy subject, and I get the feeling if I were to say no, it'd just make things worse.

              And it turns out, on top of it all, she was eating Almonds with gluten in it, which is why her's lasted longer than mine. So we can't even really be sure if it was the restaurant after all. I had none of the almonds and still felt it, so it's possible I ate something too.

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              • #8
                Here's the thing about those pills: They were prescribed for you based on YOUR medical history. Doctors also take things like age and weight into consideration. So your mom should not be taking your prescription meds because the doctor prescribed the dosage based on your needs and physical make-up, not hers. They could be ineffective for her (not strong enough), they could be too strong for her, or they could interact with other meds she might take or have other effects due to her own physical condition, age, weight, etc.

                I know you were trying to help. Migraines suck. Do your parents quality for Medicaid? Or is there any type of income-based medical program in your area that they could look into? Some states have drug programs for low-income people. She and your dad should consider searching for something like this, possibly on your state's official website.
                When you start at zero, everything's progress.

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                • #9
                  Nope. Too high income for government help. Too low income (and full of pre-existing conditions) for anything else. Their insurance has a 15,000 deductible per person per year.

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                  • #10
                    May I be blunt, but you have more patience with your family than I ever could

                    I am still fighting cutting myself, and my father will always be in denial. But him and my mother...as bad as they were throughout my personal issues, they were never to THAT level

                    Where is your sister now?

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                    • #11
                      Feel free to be blunt!

                      My sister is with our parents. She says Dad's been making passive aggressive remarks, but that's it. They have made it very clear they feel /I/ am the problem. That I'm making excuses, seeking attention, lying, demonizing them, and making something out of nothing. For Christ's sake, they're calling the therapist before the session to give him their side of the story because he's my therapist, and I've clearly been feeding him lies.

                      As for SI, I dug out my tools tonight, but I think it's passed. It's like being a recovering alcoholic. I'll always be 'recovering' and the urge will surface from time to time. For the session I've also circled all of the scars I've found. It's up to 11 now. They're largely little, because that's what you do when you're seeking attention. Make the scars as small as possible/sarcasm.

                      I vaguely considered circling a scar my cat gave me (kitty didn't like a flea bath, but boy did she need it), that would look quite like a self-injury scar, but I decided I'm going to be fully honest.

                      To prevent the SI, I told myself I needed to do something useful first, and if I still wanted to I could give in. So I've been selling off some of my old textbooks. I'm hoping to get last year's heating bill covered, so hopefully I can switch to a year-around payment plan rather than a 3 months of 'holy hell, how can it be this expensive for a studio apartment?'

                      I found a collection of books my grandfather gave me that I never touched, and I have a desktop I rarely use that has been outfitted with linux. It's not very powerful, but someone else could probably put a better hard-drive in it. I just upgraded the RAM, gave it a wifi card, and got a nice screen for it.

                      If I'm willing to brave my parents in the next few days, I left some laptop parts at their house I can sell off. Two hard-drives, one processor, and a keyboard I was going to sell the original keys off of.

                      I feel like they've been taking symptoms of my mental illnesses and brushing them off as personality faults. Anxiety was me being neurotic. Depression was me being 'sensitive' and lazy. They've even implied my depression was just hormones.

                      I don't know. I feel like they think this is very black-and-white. Like one person has to be the problem, take all the blame. If I criticize them, it's because I think they're evil--not flawed. I've heard that I apparently think Dad is the 'devil' and have been trying to 'brainwash' my sister to agree with me, from both parents.

                      I don't know how I've been so patient, but mostly out of necessity I guess.

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                      • #12
                        I give you credit for being patient. I really do hope everything goes well for you when you visit the therapist.

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                        • #13
                          Your parents are in full-on denial and shift the blame mode. Good luck with the therapist, if he's any good he'll recognize what they're doing and back you up as much as possible. You are at least willing to admit that you're not perfect and have some issues. I hope your sister is doing okay.
                          When you start at zero, everything's progress.

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                          • #14
                            Quoth Cooper View Post
                            I figured I might get something for that. She's been on lots of narcotic and non-narcotic pain meds for years, and got addicted to none. She didn't have any on hand because since she got off gluten about 6 months ago, she stopped having migraines... unless she had gluten.

                            I'm not saying it's right, but I'm the only one who has decent health insurance. (Medicaid.) She can't afford to go to the doctor because she needs to get a few migraines out of her system. And it's not like I can really say no. As I said, money is a very touchy subject, and I get the feeling if I were to say no, it'd just make things worse. .
                            Yes. Yes you can really say no, and you SHOULD.

                            Your mom may be addicted. If she is caught with those pills, she could be arrested. Possession of prescription narcotics without a prescription is a CRIME. You could be charged for giving them to her.

                            Narcotics are the worst thing to treat migraines with. She'll just rebound. She needs to see a specialist. I understand that money is an issue, but clearly she is not prioritizing well if she puts a vacation over her health care.

                            You need to set limits. Those pills are for you, and if you give them to your Mom and need them, your doctor may label you a drug seeker and you may have your own difficulties getting them. I'm betting this has already happened to your Mom, which is why she won't go to a doctor.
                            They say that God only gives us what we can handle. Apparently, God thinks I'm a bad ass.

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                            • #15
                              Sapphire, I... kinda doubt it, to be honest. I'm not saying I know everything about my mom, but the pills I gave her were non-narcotic. The words I gave the doctor were: "Ibuprofen isn't enough, but I've been on vicodin before, and it gets me high, and I can't live like that."

                              Mom went to a specialist, and that's why she got off gluten, which did change her life. Unfortunately, during the vacation it seems she was eating almonds full of it.

                              I do get the law thing, however, and I promise to keep it in mind. (Meaning she won't get any more of my medication.)

                              Today my grandmother told me I was probably exaggerating everything for attention. She seems to think that the self-injury isn't a problem because I was never in the hospital with it. She was like "I never saw any scars." I started pointing them out and she's like: "They're so little! You have to struggle to see them!"

                              And she suggested the chronic pain in my ankle was also exaggerated, specifically to get the pain medication.

                              She did make some good points about my influence over my sister, and that I literally consider my rabbit more important than me. And that I can be quite manipulative. (I've been trying to stop that, along with compulsive lying (mostly little things, nothing big like any of this), but I do admit I've been using it to try and keep my rabbit.)

                              My grandma also suggested my rabbit should be put down.

                              Me: 0_0 She's only a year old!

                              I'd be more angry with her if she wasn't like that to everyone. She's pragmatic to a fault sometimes. I think she's on the autism spectrum. (She wouldn't have been diagnosed since she would have been high functioning her entire life.)

                              It's all leading up to tomorrow, folks.
                              Last edited by Cooper; 08-29-2013, 12:33 AM.

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