... So.. You're the biggest bitch.. (Gory and upsetting)!

[AKWalMartCartGuy]

it reads like she was trying to make a joke, not trying to get people to agree. she does need a new brain to mouth filter, as jokes are something that can easily hit a touchy subject, and you shouldn't make that type of joke, or many other types of joke, in public, they should only be made among people you know haven't had personal encounters with suicide, as the people who knew the victim are the true victims of suicide(the person who killed themselves was in a state of mind where they wanted it when they went). I do believe almost anything(not JustADude's situation) can be joked about, it just depends on the audience, but that's just me


JustADude-your situation was truly horrible, and situations like that were the main reason I decided I don't want to join the military.

[JustADude]

I do believe almost anything(not JustADude's situation) can be joked about, it just depends on the audience, but that's just me.

Eh, even that can be joked about, though there's a very short list of people it wouldn't be in bad taste from. For example: She would have totally loved the fact that she's provided me the ultimate trump card when dealing with whiny little Emo kids who think life sucks because they only got an iPod Classic instead of a Touch (happened today, infact!).

[AKWalMartCartGuy]

hmmm I didn't think of that, although it seems more like you're making fun of the emos than your situation

[Samaliel]

Oh, you can joke about suicide. Had I been in the train, and, had I been asked my opinion, I would have said it made sense : if you're gonna be selfish enough to supress yourself and cause a hell of pain to those who, despite what you think, actually love and care for you, you could as well go all the way and cause suffering ranging from mild annoyance to severe psychological trauma to complete strangers.

Well actually, no, I wouldn't. Because I have a functionning brain-to-mouth filter. But I would seriously wish I had said it, afterwards, if I had heard the bullshit from that woman.

My younger sister tried to commit suicide. My best friend tried to commit suicide. When I'm feeling depressed, I think of the angst, the sorrow, the excruciating pain I then felt. I wouldn't wish that to anyone, not even my worst enemy. Why would I inflict that upon those I love ? Might not be the best reason to keep on striving in a world who can be utterly nauseating as well as absolutely marvellous. It's still the one that keeps me from doing anything "silly", as some might say, when I'm in a mood for considering such things.

On a slightly related note, I would understand being worried about getting to work late, since your job could be on the line and, well, mankind is just about as selfish as any other species on Earth. But getting home late ? I don't farking care ! Just as long as I still have time to eat a decent meal and get my 6 hours of sleep, I don't care. Yes, I would be annoyed, but given the circumstances, I think I'd have the decency to STFU if not prompted.

[Record Store Tough Guy]

^^ You can certainly complain about the selfishness of such an act as well. Recently someone local jumped off an overpass in the middle of rush hour. Much talk went around the office about the apparent lack of thought for anyone else, since the jumper deliberately chose a location that would cause as much inconvenience to as many people as he could. Not to mention the anguish caused to the people who may have hit him once he hit the pavement, or the potential injuries/fatalities he could have caused by people swerving to avoid him. To me, it demonstrated an utter disregard for anyone else but the jumper.

[wagegoth]

I had a friend, many years ago, whose father chose to walk out onto a freeway in Los Angeles when traffic was actually moving. Personally, I feel that people who do that are trying to make other people suffer with them, if only by screwing up their day for a while. To me, these are people who are committing suicide out of frustration and anger and revenge instead of depression or hopelessness.

One night someone did apparently commit suicide by throwing themselves under the BART train and it messed up my trip home. I did get pissed at the person who killed himself. At first, it was because it was taking me that much longer to get home. At which point I felt guilty. Then I got pissed because I thought about all the people who witnessed this person do this and would have that horrible memory forever. I thought about this article I read about train engineers who have to go to therapy because of people throwing themselves on the tracks and they can't stop the trains and they have to watch these people die in a kind of sick slow motion. I thought about the family of this person who was waiting at home, but would, instead, have the police at their door. And I hoped that wherever their soul went, it at least got bitchslapped once before it got to its destination.

[TealJellyfish]

it reads like she was trying to make a joke, not trying to get people to agree. she does need a new brain to mouth filter, as jokes are something that can easily hit a touchy subject, and you shouldn't make that type of joke, or many other types of joke, in public, they should only be made among people you know haven't had personal encounters with suicide, as the people who knew the victim are the true victims of suicide(the person who killed themselves was in a state of mind where they wanted it when they went). I do believe almost anything(not JustADude's situation) can be joked about, it just depends on the audience, but that's just me


JustADude-your situation was truly horrible, and situations like that were the main reason I decided I don't want to join the military.

It was in her tone (which I cant put into text unfortunately) Imagine the worst Entitlement Whore tone you can imagine.

[TealJellyfish]

To Everyone:

A couple of comments have been made about suicide and people who commit it being selfish etc.

Do I think people who commit suicide are selfish:

Yes and No... The Majority of people are mentally ill and I don't "selfish" is the best way of putting it. I have attempted suicide (which I didn't put in the OP) I believed my family was better off without me, that my friends didn't need me and that the entire world would be better for my actions!

People who do it for attention (same as people who self harm for attention) belittle the seriousness of Suicide and create a culture of misunderstanding surrounding Mental Illness and Suicidal Tendencies. It makes something that is horrible and sad into something trivial and something to be made fun of. Which is what happened on that train.

I basically see Suicide as the Murder of Ones self...

Was the Lady out of line? Or was it justified complaining?

I find it offensive to make fun of death, especially one where someone was driven to such an act. Suicide is a desperate act. In this case not a plea for help but a way to not have to live! It was a tragedy for the family, for the person who died (probably believing that no one loved them) and for the people who saw it happen and especially the train driver and the family of the deceased.

Was it an inconvenience to me? Yes! I had had a long day, I was tired, depressed and It took me an extra 2 hours to get home!

Did that make it alright for someone to make fun/trivial/self absorbed comments about the death of this persons death. I'm my opinion NO. I think my reply to her emphasized that to her by pointing out all the other people who were effected by the event more than her!

Her complaint was trivial and in my view extremely selfish. Someone had died, had it been an accident or that someone had pushed that person in front of the train and she had made the comment of "God couldn't they have just shot them now I'm going to be late home!" or "God why did that klutz have to fall under a train" I would of made a very similar comment to one I made!


I hope this makes sense and isn't to long and convoluted.

[AKWalMartCartGuy]

I'm definitely going to hell, I laughed at the "god couldn't they have just shot them?".

[Samaliel]

I totally understand you, Lexi.

My joking about those who commit suicide being selfish is probably of the poorest taste, but isn't meant to be taken seriously. I have been in such positions as to think the whole world would be better off without me drawing back those who love me despite all my flaws. In such a state of mind, suicide seems to be an act of kindness to everyone, including yourself. But I always manage to think about them all. Those who I think I draw back. Those I think I fail. Those who, despite all the self-loathing I can stack up, all the helplessness I can display, love me. Those who care for silly old me.

And I think it would be even worse to them. They will support me as long as I'm willing to at least try. If I gave up on life, just letting myself drown, they would give up on me. But if I actually bit the proverbial bullet, I would give up on life without giving them the opportunity to give up on me, causing them hells of pain I can't even possibly fathom.

That's why, should I get so low as to really want to commit suicide, I'd make sure to take the whole goddamn known universe with me. So, until I can devise something that can literally cause a Big Bang, you'll have to put up with me.

[tropicsgoddess]

What an insensetive, inconsiderate BITCH! How would she like to hear somebody piss and moan about coming home late because one of her loved ones was ran over and killed by a train?!!! That bitch could use a nice shove in a !!!!

[unclejampuff]

I am glad you said something. Suicide is NOT FUNNY.

I almost can't believe someone would be that heartless.

[greensinestro]

That's just totally insensitive how people like that woman are. I've never contemplated suicide, but I have had a couple of friends who thought about it. None of these people ever think about inconveniencing others, nor think about, "Well, it's 5pm. I think I'll wait until midnight to kill myself." People have some serious problems and don't look at having a way out of them.

Good for you, telling her off like that. I'm really sorry to hear about what a terrible week that was for you. I can't imagine how one holds themselves together as well as you have.

[BunnyJas]

That woman was horrible and self-absorbed. I'm glad you put her in her place. Someone's life and mental state has be pretty messed up to feel that there must be no way out. Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. I've gone through depression and have been suicidal at one point: the only thing that stopped me was knowing that it would have devestated my parents.

Knowing how it can feel, I almost always have sympathy for the person who does it. Being late on a train for that reason wouldn't have shaken me as it could have been a lot worse.

I have no sympathy for the assholes that go into a mall or a school and shoot other innocent people before shooting themselves. No matter how crappy your life is, you have absolutely no *&^%ing right to take others down with you. Now that is inconvience for others.

[RebeccaOTool]

Just when I think I can't possibly hate the worst part of humanity any more than I already do, this pops up. Suiside is an inconvience? Holy Fuck.