I am an abominaton (Another Train Story)

[Anthony K. S.]

I happen to be Catholic myself, and I would just like to say this : If there is one thing I can't stand . . .

He read from the beginning and when he got to

"A woman shall not wear man's clothing, nor shall a man put on a woman's clothing; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God"

He started pointing at Woman who were wearing pants and saying

"You are an Abomination"

Including me...

. . . It is people who know and can quote every line of the Bible, every law and tradition of the Church, and STILL completely fail to understand what being a Christian actually means.

(Hint : Condemning people is generally not a part of it.)

I admire your restraint, Wicked_Lexi, and that of the the other passengers as well. You were a great deal more polite to that guy than he deserved, that's for sure.

If you read further in that very chapter, there are some rules I've never seen the craziest of fundies trying to implement, such as "if a man rapes a virgin he pays her father money then marries her."

Indeed.

When I was growing up, I knew a minister who cited Biblical passages like that one to support what he viewed as an important lesson about the Bible. As I recall, he said :

"You can learn a great deal from what the Bible teaches, just so long as you remember this : Use the Bible to guide your judgment, not replace it."

[Record Store Tough Guy]

Should have asked him if he:

A) Shaved his beard
B) Cut his hair
C) Had a ham sammich lately
D) was wearing a cotton/poly blend

'Cause it says somewhere in the same book that you're not supposed to do any of those things.

[Record Store Tough Guy]

I quote a wise man:

"I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun."

(Cookies to you if you get the reference.)

That one's too easy. How about "Leave me alone, don't want your promises no more; 'cause rock and roll is my religion and my law"?

[Record Store Tough Guy]

I actually find the laws in Leviticus & Deut quite interesting. I like trying to figure out why they were laws. But, I am an oober nerd. And about the different translations: I have older and newer ones. Makes for Bible study that makes sense when comparing lol

Two words: Desert society. Most of those rules were put in place while the Hebrews were a nomadic desert tribe. Makes more sense in that context.

Religion aside, the Old Testament is a great place to go if you're interested in the actual history of that part of the world at that time. We know a lot about the time period because the Hebrews kept the records they did. I think the Hebrews were the first in the area to develop monotheism, actually, which is culturally a pretty big step forward. Also, Samson is a badass.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Also, Samson is a badass.

But, unfortunately, about as sharp as a bowling ball.

[Alexandra]

I can sum up why Christians aren't obliged to keep the Mosaic law in one word:

DISPENSATIONS.

The Mosaic Law was given only to the Jews. So next time someone berates you for working on Sunday, tell them, first off, the Sabbath was SATURDAY and there's nowhere in the Bible saying that Sunday is to be kept! In fact, Christians are not commanded to keep a day, but may do so if they'd like, see Romans 14:5. (Some ammo there!)

Want more info, feel free to PM me or whatever.

[Ironclad Alibi]

The OP reminded me of this famous movie quote:

"We are followers of Peter the Dressmaker, he who was Christ's tailor."

[marasbaras]

Billy Joel had a lot of good quotes.

I love religion (I use this term in the general sense to include zealots of all stripes and colors ... spiritual (God vs. crystals), self-help nuts, operating system kooks, etc.). It's so much fun to use someone's religion against them.

One of the great things about the Christian form of religion is that it has a huge book with all kinds of nifty quotes you can use against those trying to force it upon you.

The other more vocal religions aren't quite so accomodating ... you can't buy an Amway training manual and find "And yea verily, he who washeth with another brand shall be casteth unto Wal-Mart and be trodden by yon cattle." There's no Linux Bible that says "He who commandeth without his own command line shall be cast out unto the minor builds."

Those who loudly proclaim themselves to be Christian, aren't. There was a pastor, I forget his name, who a long while back said "As long as I have a second set of clothing, my job is not done." He gets it.

[Bloodsoul]

I think the Hebrews were the first in the area to develop monotheism, actually, which is culturally a pretty big step forward.

I thought Zoroastrianism predated it? Either way, it's actually pretty interesting trying to look back through time at the possible polytheistic religions that the ancient Hebrew people may have worshipped prior to monotheism (and the possible connections between the two).

"...oh just about everything is a sin, have you ever sat down and read this thing? Technically we're not allowed to go to the bathroom."

[Record Store Tough Guy]

I thought Zoroastrianism predated it?

Zoroastrianism is certainly older than the first recorded references to it in the mid 5th century BC, but the Hebrews were staunchly monotheistic by the Exodus, which could potentially be as far back as 1500 BC, and had been for much longer prior to that. However, it does have a great many similarities to Christianity, like a virgin birth, final judgement, etc.

[Jack7957]

It's funny how people interpret rules made several thousand years ago as meaning we need to dress the way people did sixty-five years ago; when those verses were written everyone wore robes.

This is always good for a laugh....

Letter to Dr. Laura at snopes.com

[CaroPhoenix]

If some person wants to insist that I wear skirts, he can buy them for me.

And the stockings.

Ooooh, shoes, too.

He'd have to buy me a black lace garter belt to go with my thigh-hi's.

He'd have to argue with my husband. For some reason, he gets uncomfortable when I'm dressed in either a dress or a skirt. I have no clue why.

[Becks]

He'd have to buy me a black lace garter belt to go with my thigh-hi's.

How did I forget to mention the garter belt?

Thanks for the reminder.

[Imogene]

Because men dress as women in an attempt to elevate themselves above their station,

I dress in drag because it makes me feel whole. I could care less about my 'station', thanks though. Although my dressing as such does seem to have made me a... person of importance at Rocky Horror every Saturday...

[JustADude]

Slice: That reminds me... why do guys in girls' clothes get to be drag 'queens', but girls in guys' clothes only get to be tom 'boys'?

Because men dress as women in an attempt to elevate themselves above their station, but a woman dressing as a man is lowering herself to our level.

That is incorrect, on pretty much all levels.

1) A woman who dresses in men's clothes for the purpose of passing themselves as a man is known as a Drag King, and they do it for pretty much the same reasons mentioned by Juwl in the previous post.
2) "Tomboy" is the (much better-established) female version of "Metrosexual". It is properly used to define a woman whose interests and demeanor are simply unconstrained by the traditional gender-role assigned to females. It in no way is meant to refer to the above mentioned deliberate cross-dressing.
3) There is no inherent difference in the "station" or "level" of men and women. You don't have to be male to be Sexist any more than you have to be white to be Racist, and saying that women are better than men is just as bad as saying men are better than women.


Yes, I know it was mostly joking, but that's how false information is spread and prejudices are perpetrated... and yes, considering women to be better than men is as much a prejudice as the other way around.