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  • Forget the Vic, Did You Catch The Car!? + Bonus

    Yesterday a store employee was a little late opening because of this:

    She was coming to a 4-way stop intersection. She saw the car opposite her stop at their sign, then proceed. At that point a cyclist coming from the street to her left blew the stop sign and was hit by the other car. She saw him go flying and the bike go under the car. The other car, instead of stopping, took-off past her. She stopped, ran to the cyclist, put her purse under his head and held him and kept him awake until the police and ambulance that she called came. At first police assumed she had hit him until evidence and witnesses proved otherwise. Then THIS gem:

    "Why didn't you go after the other car and get the plate?" Ummm, well in our state we don't have plates on the front bumper, so coming towards her there's no way she'd know the plate. She had the make and color of the car, but no, they wanted her to leave a guy bleeding on the ground and chase a strange car. Riiight. At least they let her know later that the cyclist was doing all right.

    I almost couldn't believe this attitude until a few hours later.

    Some guy decided to burn rubber out of his parking space and t-boned this poor woman driving down the row. She certainly had the right of way since he was coming from a 'side street' but on Private Property it doesn't mean anything to police, only to the insurance companies when it comes to who's paying. Anyway, when I ran over, all I saw was a police officer talking to this jerky full-of-himself guy who's complaining how this has ruined his day! He was the only one by the cars. I asked him which car was his, and where was the other driver (they were positioned so it was a strange scene and at that point I didn't know the story). He said she 'was over there' and pointed to the other mangled car, which had looked empty. I go to see a car with blood on the airbags and this poor late-teens girl shaking, crying and bleeding! I immediately started talking to her, but was more concerned for the blood. I told her I was getting her a medical kit, and would be right back don't worry. Mind you it was also 100 degrees today, and I sprint in full uniform to the building to get a kit and back. By the time I made it an ambulance had arrived and was treating her, but I was PISSED OFF!!! That one police officer I've dealt with before and his bedside manner leaves much to be desired. The other driver wasn't going anywhere, had a some minor scrapes and his insurance information certainly could have waited while he got their girl a tissue or something or at least sat with her until the ambulance came, to make sure she wasn't going into shock. I feel like I should have sat with her, but I didn't know where she was hurt and my first concern was for the bleeding. But, geeze! Maybe he felt it wasn't his job and the ambulance was coming soon or something. The other driver was a cocky bastard through the whole thing, and I wish this had occurred on a public road so he would get hit with every ticket and fine possible that he so deserved
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  • #2
    Ugh. If you know the police officer, you may want to file a complaint about his lack of professionalism at the station. I don't know much about first responders, but it seems to me that common sense would say that the person bleeding and dizzy (more or less as you described) would have a slightly higher priority than someone who was ranting and raging but otherwise fine.

    Though to be fair to the officer, he may have had a hard time getting away from the d-bag.

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    • #3
      Quoth Jetfire View Post
      Though to be fair to the officer, he may have had a hard time getting away from the d-bag.
      That could be. People like that asshole just *love* to get in the way so "their story gets told."

      I had a similar asshole hit me several years ago. I'm not even out of the car yet...and he's screaming because I "stopped for no reason." Seriously? First off, I didn't stop--I was attempting to turn left...and my engine blew up. Secondly, just how close were you following me? If you can't see my rear tires, you're too close. Thirdly, it doesn't matter if I stopped--if you rear-end me, it's *automatically* your fault. Lastly, I'm in serious pain (my face hit the steering wheel), my jaw is jacked up, I have a headache, and my back is killing me. Shut the fuck up and call the cops. They came, and he started screaming at them about about how I stopped again.

      At least several people from the bottling plant across the way came over, and said that they saw the entire thing. They were waiting for the bus, which was running late. They saw my car stop, the engine self-destruct, my attempts to restart my car, and then the other car hit me. There's no way he couldn't have seen that I wasn't going anywhere. Turns out the guy was going well over the speed limit...and couldn't stop in time. By then, I was all "call an ambulance, I can't turn my head, and I'm not dealing with this shit" and went to the hospital.
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      • #4
        "Why didn't you go after the other car and get the plate?"
        Hopefully the cyclist will now understand that stop signs apply to him as well. Yes the other car should have stopped cos leaving the scene is bad, k... but it was the cyclist's fault over all for not stopping.


        Turns out the guy was going well over the speed limit...and couldn't stop in time.
        tailgaiters can DIAF.
        seriously, i've seen some who think it's appropriate to drive a couple of inches behind someone else to "intimidate them out of the way".

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        • #5
          I hear what you're saying about the policeman not being caring at all, but I have to side with him on this one. I don't know the procedures for officers in moments like that (although I have a friend from grade school that's a cop and can ask him, although some procedures very per region). Perhaps the officer could visually see that the victim was shaken up, and hopefully okay, yet talked to the person who caused the accident so that they wouldn't get away, thus, preventing a getaway and the victim being able to identify and bad driver. At least an ambulance was called too, and we don't know if the officer did it or a bystander, but the more important thing is that the victim gets treated.

          With the first guy asking you why you didn't chase, that's an easy one. Sometimes we can see something happen and know in our minds how we would handle things, yet seem bewildered when other people don't take the same action that we would and we're phased by it (raises hand sheepishly). At least you did the right thing. If the witness who questioned your concern for the biker was the one on the bike himself, I'll bet you he wouldn't be saying, "forget about me.. ughh (gasp).. catch the ... ugh.. g-guy.. ugh..."

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          • #6
            Quoth PepperElf View Post
            Hopefully the cyclist will now understand that stop signs apply to him as well. Yes the other car should have stopped cos leaving the scene is bad, k... but it was the cyclist's fault over all for not stopping.
            There are some places where it is not illegal for bicyclists to 'run' stop signs & red lights. The caveat, of course, is that they can do so when there is no traffic so in this instance, the guy on the bike asked for it.

            I really don't understand why so many people on bikes seem to have zero respect for cars on the road. Especially given that the laws of physics that are stacked against the cyclists if any sort of collision takes place...

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            • #7
              Quoth protege View Post
              Thirdly, it doesn't matter if I stopped--if you rear-end me, it's *automatically* your fault.
              While in your case, it certainly was that douche's fault, it's not always the person that rear-ends fault.

              Case-in-point - Several years ago, my mom had a wreck, ran into the back of a truck. Looked for all the world like it was her fault, except....she had gotten side-swiped and shoved into the back of the truck. The asshole that side-swiped her took of, but luckily, several witness stayed or left their info for the police.
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              • #8
                Pagan - The sad thing is, it's my understanding that there are states where your mom *would* have been automatically considered at fault for hitting the guy ahead of her (whether it was physically possible for her to avoid hitting the truck or not), just as the guy who pushed her would be considered at-fault for hitting her; basically, someone's idea of "simplifying" the laws x.x
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                • #9
                  In the city I work for it is illegal for bicyclist to run a stop sign or red light. The police will ticket them. They will also receive a ticket for not wearing a helmet. Way too many fatalities happened. The tickets really don't help.

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                  • #10
                    Quoth Gerrinson View Post
                    I really don't understand why so many people on bikes seem to have zero respect for cars on the road. Especially given that the laws of physics that are stacked against the cyclists if any sort of collision takes place...
                    I'd try to explain but it would be fratching territory-I can pm you a link though....
                    Honestly.... the image of that in my head made me go "AWESOME!"..... and then I remembered I am terribly strange.-Red dazes

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                    • #11
                      Wow, since when is it the average motorist's responsibility to chase down a hit & run driver?? That's the police's job! Unbelievable.
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                      • #12
                        Quoth Slayergrrl View Post
                        In the city I work for it is illegal for bicyclist to run a stop sign or red light.
                        Same here. The bicycle-specific section pretty much says "You are bound by ALL of the same laws as cars, except you cannot go on the highway/interstate and most bridges, and you must stick to the outside edges of roads whenever it is safe to do so." Sidewalks are technically allowed if the road is too dangerous. As with anywhere else, bikes must WALK through intersections.
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                        • #13
                          Where I live the cyclists are bound by the laws of the road. So, the cyclist should have stopped, and having not, the accident would have been his fault. But since the vehicle ran, they'll get it worse for leaving the scene of an accident. Dollars to donuts they didn't have insurance or something.
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                          • #14
                            Quoth LillFilly View Post
                            Dollars to donuts they didn't have insurance or something.
                            Or they had a record/warrant out for their arrest. People with something to hide will run at the drop of a hat, even if they weren't at fault in the first place.

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                            • #15
                              Quoth Moosenogger View Post
                              Or they had a record/warrant out for their arrest. People with something to hide will run at the drop of a hat, even if they weren't at fault in the first place.
                              People without anything to hide will often run for no reason whatsoever. Watch Cops and check out how often they pull someone over who then takes off before they can get to the car, and it turns out when they're caught that they had a totally clean record until then.

                              People are irrational beings, sometimes.

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