Complaining about S&M.

[Imogene]

Depending, I might even laugh.

Just so long as you clue me in as to why you're laughing, if you're laughing at me. Hel, I might laugh, too.

[Rubber Ducky]

Awesome, if my girl were there, she probably would have asked em all sorts of (positive) questions if they were willing to answer - which I assume they would be.

Wish we was able to do that.

Due to extenuating circumstances that I really don't want to get into, we gotta be pretty careful what we show and to who.

Shame too.

[Geek King]

This thread reminds me of an old joke...

Mom calls dad into the kitchen to show him the magazines she's found under little Jonny's mattress. But these are not your usual naked female pornography, but kinkier publications of an explicit S&M variety.

Dad sits and looks at them for a long moment, and Mom finally breaks in, "Well, what should we do about this?"

Dad replys, "Well, for God's sake, don't spank him!"

[Bliss]

Sgt. Detritus of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch. Troll. Has badge carved into (stone) arm

What series is this? One series I love is Shadowrun novelas, which like the Shadowrun world, share lots of magic (I love) with Cyberpunk (My fave), so if there's other good series out there, I wanna read them!!.

A couple of self-proclaimed "purists" accused me of "topping from the bottom" because I liked to be proactive in serving her, rather than waiting for her to order me, which is where I started drawing the distinction, but oh well, it made the both of us happy, so who cares?

Please forgive me the analogy, I know it's probably all wrong in several levels but it's the only way I can think of right now trying to explain this... you mean these purists, if they have a pet (let's say a dog) they'd preffer for the dog to jump on them and maul them when they return home, rathen than for the dog to fetch them their slippers? odd.....

[Imogene]

What series is this?

This would be any of the Discworld books that feature the city guard as their main plot movers. More recent ones include Thump!, and a few others that I can't remember off the top of my head...

they'd preffer for the dog to jump on them and maul them when they return home, rathen than for the dog to fetch them their slippers? odd.....

No, I'd say, they much rather the dog do nothing, until they order the dog to 'go fetch the paper', or, in retail terms, they want you, once you're done with a task, to stop doing anything, and await further instructions from your manager, as opposed to going right on to another task.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Maybe not quite that loud but my friend got a kick out of it. I just want to know why nosy people have to be nosy about stuff that's none of their business, meh, guess they're just noisy.

How are they being nosy if it's in public in front of them? It IS their business, if it's purposely done in front of them.

Trust me, the people in question enjoyed the attention. Even if they claim they didn't.

Listen, I understand everyone has a right to freedom of expression. As long as no laws are broken and nobody's rights are violated, hey, it's all good.

However, some people are offended by public displays such as keeping your sub on a leash in public. They could, and rightfully so, present the argument that they don't appreciate being dragged into that scene against their will. And it IS, in a way, making them participants. If they are offended, then THEIR freedom of expression give them the right to express shock or distaste. You might not agree with them, but that's how they feel and that is what they will express.

Fair's fair.

If the dom and the sub find it offensive to be pointed at, then it is in their power to avoid that. They know what sort of reaction their behavior invites from the general public. They chose to ignore it and do what they want. Kudos to them for being brave, but if they are going to ignore public reaction...then they need to IGNORE it.

If I wear my SCA garb in public, people will look and comment. They will ask questions. If I don't like it, I can choose to wear normal clothes when I run errands on my way to an event or whatever.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Add handcuffs.

[Polenicus]

A couple of self-proclaimed "purists" accused me of "topping from the bottom" because I liked to be proactive in serving her, rather than waiting for her to order me, which is where I started drawing the distinction, but oh well, it made the both of us happy, so who cares?

I think this just goes to illustrate the point that there is only ONE true constant in the universe. The speed of light varies with the medium it travels. Most physical 'laws' break down at the subatomic level.

But no matter where you go, no matter what you do, no matter the day, age, social circles or culture, Sucky People will be there!

(Seriously, something like this is probably the last place someone should be coming up to you and saying 'You're doing it wrong!')

[Gabrielle Proctor]

I'm more offended in those parents who put their young children on leashes. A length of nylon rope and a harness is no substitute for proper parenting. These women were doing nothing but symbolically professing their devotion to each other. The woman who complained was probably throwing out a similar symbolism by wearing a wedding ring.

Yeah, I think it's a bit ridiculous when kids are on leashes(they need spankings instead), but there was this one toddler in our store that I was so glad he was on a harness/backpack leash thing(until his grandma let him run wild that is). He wasn't of the age that he would really understand what you're diciplining him for and he was all over the place! I had to keep him from climbing on the train table, the counter, various shelves and I even had to grab a candy rack before he pulled it down on himself.

I totally agree about the wedding ring.

I wish my boyfriend would put me on a leash...fuckin' lucky sub...

[Imogene]

Kudos to them for being brave, but if they are going to ignore public reaction...then they need to IGNORE it.

Call me crazy, but I don't remember reading that the sub and dom were angry at all about the woman complaining about them. They were just sitting there, and the woman took her problem to the cashier... not to the sub, nor, more importantly, the dom.

[JustADude]

What series is this? One series I love is Shadowrun novelas, which like the Shadowrun world, share lots of magic (I love) with Cyberpunk (My fave), so if there's other good series out there, I wanna read them!!.

Yep, It's Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels, as Juwl said. They're actually high-fantasy with a dry, satirical twist. Trust me, you'll love him.

Please forgive me the analogy, I know it's probably all wrong in several levels but it's the only way I can think of right now trying to explain this... you mean these purists, if they have a pet (let's say a dog) they'd preffer for the dog to jump on them and maul them when they return home, rathen than for the dog to fetch them their slippers? odd.....

Juwl got this one as well. yeah, they were saying that the 'dog' should wait by the door and wait for the mistress to TELL IT to go fetch the slippers. Not a bad analogy, actually, since I've always identified with the Wolf... and we all know what a tamed wolf is.

But no matter where you go, no matter what you do, no matter the day, age, social circles or culture, Sucky People will be there!

(Seriously, something like this is probably the last place someone should be coming up to you and saying 'You're doing it wrong!')

Yeah, really. As I said, they were self-proclaimed regulators of the One True Way Of S&M, and had a very short list of people that would talk to them... those being the ones who agreed with their 'flavor' of practically Consensual-Gor (as in the novels) style S&M. Makes me f'ing sick, personally.

When they started getting snotty like that they got pretty much got to see me go from kneeling at her feet with my head in her lap to standing up and glaring in about .3 seconds, since they also started going in on my Mistress for "being a bad Top". I can shrug off just about anything directed at myself, unless you manage to find one of my well-hidden buttons, but go after someone I care about in front of me, even just a friend, and you see exactly how close to a 'dog' I am... in the "giant snarling attack-dog" sense.

[Pezzle]

I personally cant stand the ideals of Gor and such but that's jhust me. In my rlationship there's euqal playing feild between domand sub.

Speaking of which i djust cot back from NYC with him. I l0oves my mast6er.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Call me crazy, but I don't remember reading that the sub and dom were angry at all about the woman complaining about them. They were just sitting there, and the woman took her problem to the cashier... not to the sub, nor, more importantly, the dom.

I worded that wrong, I guess. I am more responding to the people being indignant about "nosy people minding their own business" than I am to the reactions of the dom and the sub. I'm just using them as an example of how unusual looks or unusual behavior draws attention.

As for the leash thing, I put my child on one when the situation warrents it, such as a thick crowd or whatever. It makes us both feel secure. There was a thread on here earlier about that that was pretty much divided into two groups, from what I could tell: People against children on leashes, and parents.

I don't care to rehash it all, as its been done and I'm not inclined repeat myself here about it, but I'll leave you with this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger

It's about a horrific murder, so if you are sensitive to stuff like this, as I am, please don't read it. My point in posting it is that Jame's Bulger's mother was not negligent. The way I understand it, she turned her head for the second or so it takes to sign a receipt. That is all it takes.

And a spanking would not have helped.

[Imogene]

had a very short list of people that would talk to them... those being the ones who agreed with their 'flavor' of practically Consensual-Gor (as in the novels) style S&M.

A long time ago, back when I were new to the internets, I chatted with Rael the Bunny girl (after a particularly mean Photoshop event on Fark.com that brought Rael to my attention, and I defended her. We started talking and hit it off) And she told me she'd been invited to one of those 'Real Sex' bondage shows that HBO shows every so often, because the mistress who ran the thing liked her work. Rael turned her down, because it was basically just a "Who's popular now" invitee list.

[JustADude]

I personally cant stand the ideals of Gor and such but that's just me. In my relationship there's equal playing field between dom and sub.

Exactly the my point. I came this >< close to doing a psych paper on exactly how many levels of fucked up Gor is when you try it in real life, but I ended up going more conservative and working on more typical forms of abusive relationships.

Rael turned her down, because it was basically just a "Who's popular now" invitee list.

Like everything isn't that way these days?

What ever happened to, to mangle a phrase, "the love of the game?"