hillel will not supply you with cheeseburgers (it's a kosher thing)

[Lehk]

what if it's vegan pseudocheese?

or real cheese with vegan pseudomeat?

then you can has kosher cheeseburger

[Shalom]

what if it's vegan pseudocheese?

or real cheese with vegan pseudomeat?

then you can has kosher cheeseburger

I've tried it. (wheat-gluten-based "meat" with what was ostensibly real "cheese", or at least had some sort of milk-based product in it.)

It wasn't worth it. Maybe it's because I've been kosher all my life, but somehow "cheese" and "meat" just don't go together for me. There used to be a kosher vegetarian restaurant in New York called Greener Pastures, that had "beef" "stroganoff" on the menu. Fake meat in fake sour cream. I ordered it one time just out of curiosity, but I couldn't finish it: it just looked treyf, and even though it didn't taste bad and I knew it was perfectly kosher, I just couldn't bring myself to eat it.

[Magpie]

what if it's vegan pseudocheese?

vegan pseudocheese a) is disgusting and b) doesn't melt properly. The good fake cheeses all have casein in them. The really nice one (the veggie based one) has it as a second ingredient. Guess how I know that casein is indeed what I react to.

[Jester]

it's daft. i know about kosher and when i think about it, no cheeseburgers seem obvious. However i can see how even knowing it was a jewish event, most people wouldn't immeadtly realise the no cheeseburgers thing.

While most people realize that pork is not kosher, the general population is far less aware of the ban of dairy and meat together.

I just remembered this. My old Food and Beverage manager was about to put some cheese on some chicken for some guests at a banquet who had requested kosher style meals. I had to stop him. And he talked so much about all the thousands of people he cooked for as a chef.

He never said that any of them were Jewish!

vegan pseudocheese a) is disgusting and b) doesn't melt properly.

Some real cheese doesn't melt "properly" either. Don't believe me? Try melting a nice Manchego. A while back, I tried. It didn't.

[Cookie]

He never said that any of them were Jewish!

Actually, he specifically bragged about how good he was with special diets, including kosher cooking. :eyeroll:

[Jester]

Actually, he specifically bragged about how good he was with special diets, including kosher cooking. :eyeroll:

Oh, in that case, he's a world class Grade A douchebag.

[flutes_and_fabric]

what if it's vegan pseudocheese?

or real cheese with vegan pseudomeat?

then you can has kosher cheeseburger

If there's no dairy in the cheese then yes. I hate pseudomeat, I just don't like it. Never tried any pseudocheese though. I love soy milk, so maybe it's something to try, kinda scares me though

[Rapscallion]

Never tried any pseudocheese though.

Often only tried once.

It's part of the line-up of products we list at my place. Can't say it's a huge seller.

Generally, it only regularly goes to the devout vegans. I've even had one wonder if she should eat it as to get the taste the same they must have eaten meat at some point...

Rapscallion

[flutes_and_fabric]

Generally, it only regularly goes to the devout vegans. I've even had one wonder if she should eat it as to get the taste the same they must have eaten meat at some point...

Rapscallion

Wait...huh? I had to read that one a couple of times in order to truly understand the craziness of it. Haha, that's hilarious.

[ShadowTiger]

It wasn't worth it. Maybe it's because I've been kosher all my life, but somehow "cheese" and "meat" just don't go together for me. There used to be a kosher vegetarian restaurant in New York called Greener Pastures, that had "beef" "stroganoff" on the menu. Fake meat in fake sour cream. I ordered it one time just out of curiosity, but I couldn't finish it: it just looked treyf, and even though it didn't taste bad and I knew it was perfectly kosher, I just couldn't bring myself to eat it.

Ditto, I went there a long time ago, and I never had the beef stroganoff, and I would try it regardless just out of curiosity, respectively. Nowadays, the place to get parve (Non-meat, Non-dairy.) cheese is the kosher Subway shops. I know of a bunch in the 5 towns and Queens areas. (Went to both.)



Okay, I reviewed the thread, so I can ask the philosophical:

In laws of Kashrus, (Kosher laws.) fish are considered neither meat nor dairy. They are effectively meal-neutral. Chickens are considered meat; as meat as cows, bison, goat, or lamb. Yet, chickens have nothing to do with giving milk to their young. The rule is, you cannot eat a calf with its mother's milk. Yet chickens do not give milk at all, much less to their young. That's the reason for not mixing meat and milk.

In the old days, well into the B.C.E. days, you obviously wouldn't have all this industrialization. When you wanted a hamburger, (Or its biblical equivalent. Heheh.) you'd know what cow you were killing and whether or not you were going to be eating its young as well, and you would know if you milked the mother. You'd have all that info.

These days, though, if you walk into any McDonalds, (Even forgetting that they're not kosher by default.) it's simply "mystery meat." It's just miscellaneous meat from a bin tossed onto a grill and fried until it's somewhat more edible. You can't be sure if the milkshake or cheese you're ordering with your burger has been diluted with the milk from the mother that is made up of hamburger meat you're also eating now. You just can't know!