Chickens aren't majestic

[Jester]

Oh, where to begin?

That's not enough for the guy who demands that the offending elk be removed from the store. They were not meant for eating, it's disgusting.

Apparently many people completely disagree with him.

He tells kid that those are domesticated animals not wild like elks.

I sure hope this guy never eats any seafood that wasn't raised on a farm. You know, like any fish caught in the wild. At all. Ever. Not to mention any other wild meat that is served to be eaten in the world.

And by the way, that means he can't even eat wild turkeys by his logic. Only domesticated animals. Like, say, elk from farms. Which, by the way, brings an interesting question to mind: how could this douchewaffle tell on sight that the elk meat came from wild elk, and not domesticated elk?

Besides chickens aren't as "majestic" as elks.

Boy, would he get an argument from these people!

He finally leaves complaining that the sight of the elk has ruined his appetite and that he is going to "ensure" that we don't carry it anymore.

Good luck with that!

If this dude was lost in the woods, he would not last three days.

We can only hope.

Anyone want to point him towards the woods? Please?

Not sure how her mind works, but I probably wasn't any more logical at her age, so whatever.

You can either have a 13-year-old or you can have logic. Not both.

I'll eat just about any meat you put in front of me (organs and cheek/tongue, I ain't touching).

I have tried many organs, and have liked most of them. Not duck heart, though, as it was somewhat similar to eating a racquetball.

As for tongue, probably my favorite luncheon meat of all time. Hell, I grew up on the stuff, and didn't realize what it WAS until I was about 12. Before then, I just thought it was a deli meat with an unfortunate name. Then one day, at my grandmother's house, as I was looking down upon the deli tray, realization crossed my mind. "Ooooohhh...."

And then I piled up tongue on my plate. Because, you know, it's tasty.

Especially shaved thin and piled high on good Jewish rye bread, with a quality spicy deli mustard such as Gulden's. Mmmmmm......

Damn shame no place in KW sells it.

...what makes one guy think that yelling at random workers will change what people do or don't eat?

Stupidity. Lots and lots of stupidity.

I still eat goat meat and beef!

Mmmmm....goat.....

Mind you, venison and buffalo are both too wild for me.

Mmmmm....venison....

And I can't bring myself to eat Ostrich.

Mmmmmm....ostrich.....

And while I would never eat what I consider pets myself in some countries it's part of the food chain too.

In India, where the cow is considered sacred, they would undoubtedly be horrified by our wanton beef gluttony.

And in many Asian nations, our favorite American pets, dogs and cats, are often entrees.

Remember, kids....different cultures produce different values and beliefs. Just because WE think it's icky doesn't mean EVERYONE does.

Alright, I'm curious. Nothing against your beliefs, and I can see the other three...but why veal?

Many people are opposed to eating veal because of the way many veal are raised. My little sister, for example, staunchly refuses to eat it. Myself, I simply say "dig in!"

The one that will blow everyone's mind that I've never tried? Lamb. My mother doesn't like it, says it's too greasy and she just doesn't like the taste, so I wouldn't even have the first idea how to cook it now if I got ahold of some.

Mmmmmm.....lamb.....

Tons of ways to cook it. Any recipe website will provide you with tons of ideas. And if you have any good Greek eateries in your area, they'll have plenty of lamb options for you, as that is a major protein in their cooking, and in Middle Eastern cooking as well.

Venison is very lean - wrap in bacon and it's amazing.

Now what ISN'T amazing when wrapped in bacon?

I plan to eat at least one member of every animal species before I die.

You DO realize that "every species" includes insects (of which there are thousands), toads, rats, cockroaches, cats, dogs, and humans, right?

I don't like duck, either. Can't stand that much grease in my meat.

If cooked right, duck should not be greasy. I LOVE duck!

But you never know what you'll eat if you're ever in a really bad situation where food is scarce, and I pray I never have to find out.

Quite true. Good reference material: either the book or movie (or both) of "Alive!"

I've had alligator before. Done well, it's pretty good!

Gator is awesome, but it HAS to be pounded before you even think of eating it, as it is tough, tough meat. Generally speaking, the part that is served is the tail, as it is so meaty. Best way I've ever had gator: ground up into a patty and cooked as a burger. DEEEE-licious!

What? I live in Florida! We got lots of those vicious suckers down here!

As a longtime vegetarian who is... lapsing a little bit these days... I really hate these people who stick up for animal welfare but only SOME animals. The prettier ones, the more majestic ones? The ugly stupid ones are just as capable of feeling pain. He's missed the point of eating ethically.

When talking about what he perceived as hypocrisy in the "right to life" movement and point of view (which is not something we are going to get into here....that's for fratching, kids), George Carlin touched on the topic we're discussing here, and which was the cause for the SC from the OP's outrage:

Because even with the stuff we preach about the sanctity of life, we don't practice it. Look at what we kill. Mosquitos and flies, because they're pests! Lions and tigers, because it's fun! Chickens and pigs, because we're hungry. Pheasants and quail, because it's fun, and we're hungry. And people! We kill people, because they're pests... and it's fun!

And Denis Leary touched even more directly on it:

We only want to save the cute animals, don't we? Yeah. Why don't we just have animal auditions. Line 'em up one by one and interview them individually. "What are you?" "I'm an otter." "And what do you do?" "I swim around on my back and do cute little human things with my hands." "You're free to go." "And what are you?" "I'm a cow." "Get in the fucking truck, ok pal!" "But I'm an animal." "You're a baseball glove! Get on that truck!" "I'm an animal, I have rights!" "Yeah, here's yer fucking cousin, get on the fucking truck, pal!" We kill the cows to make jackets out of them and then we kill each other for the jackets we made out of the cows.

[Seshat]

No kidding. Cattle is a lousy and inefficient source of food and if people didn't have money-making effort tied to cows, they'd probably be endangered by now. I'm not sure this would necessarily be a bad thing since there are more efficient and downright better ways to get the things we currently get from cows.

I would be more likely to draw the lines along vertebrate/invertebrate, or factory-farmed/free-range. I mean, free-range has its own problems, ranch cattle can destroy native flora and fauna on huge levels.

In semi-fertile areas, the most efficient way to make human food is often to process plant matter through an animal. There are places where few human-edible things will grow, but grasses and sedges can thrive. In such places, farming grass-eating or sedge-eating animals is less harmful than transporting water and fertilizer into the area and trying to grow direct-to-human crops: which tend to need pesticides and herbicides as well, and you're altering the water table both here and where you took the water from, and .. and .. and ...

That said, pick the animal that's most appropriate to the area. Also, pick a local grass or sedge (or both).
Wide-mouthed placental ungulates like cows and sheep rip out native Australian grasses at the roots. Narrow-mouthed marsupials like kangaroos and wallabies clip the tips off. For this reason, given a choice between kangaroo meat and beef, I'll eat the kangaroo. It's more likely to have been farmed (or 'farmed') in an environmentally-friendly way for this continent.

[C. Cecil Ivanish]

chickens aren't as "majestic" as elks.

So you could sell his meat no problem, right?

[EricKei]

And in many Asian nations, our favorite American pets, dogs and cats, are often entrees.

Remember, kids....different cultures produce different values and beliefs. Just because WE think it's icky doesn't mean EVERYONE does.

My brother used to frequent a (really REALLY) cheap Chinese joint down the road; long enough that they would shoot the shit with him if it was slow. Once, in all seriousness, he asked if they served cat or dog there.

Their reply, in all seriousness, was to the effect of "Hell, if we could get that stuff we'd eat it ourselves! It's better quality meat than the chicken we serve..." and they all had a good laugh about it.

[dalesys]

I'm flashing back to an early/mid 70's article in the Mother Earth Newsabout "Concious Carnivorism"... we should think about what animals we eat and why, and consider alternatives. The author said something about:

"... considered dog. Just about read to try it when all the memories of Fido, Old Dog Tray, man's best friend kick in... But there's this one dog, keeps knocking over our garbage cans, that we call 'The Meat Dog'... One of these days, we're going to serve that puppy right."

[Ironclad Alibi]

Which, by the way, brings an interesting question to mind: how could this douchewaffle tell on sight that the elk meat came from wild elk, and not domesticated elk?

Did he look for the union label?

[Mishi]

For this reason, given a choice between kangaroo meat and beef, I'll eat the kangaroo.

Om nom nom! I love 'roo, mostly as mince but also as a slow-roast. When we lived in WA, there was a huge range in the supermarket. Now that I live in Qld, it's harder to find and is usually about to go off or doesn't look quite right. I like it because it has a nice flavour, is full of iron, is very lean and also filling. I've tried emu, but it wasn't all that great. That could have been because of the recipes though.

I once fed my inlaws kangaroo lasange, they freaked after Rugz let slip that they'd just eaten 'Skippy' and had complimented me on the lovely flavour. Nowadays, they call before coming over for dinner.

[Tora]

I would like to take an opportunity to say that I shop at a wonderful butcher's place near me that supplies, among other things, ranched elk ribeye steaks.

They are DELICIOUS.

[Pixilated]

What a twit. Hope the meat manager tells him to take a hike. Nobody's forcing it down his throat. And if the mere sight of it offends him that badly he can take his business elsewhere. Somehow I doubt he'll be missed at that particular business establishment.

[TruthHurts]

What a twit. Hope the meat manager tells him to take a hike. Nobody's forcing it down his throat. And if the mere sight of it offends him that badly he can take his business elsewhere. Somehow I doubt he'll be missed at that particular business establishment.

Humorously enough the guy had to have been a tourist. We never saw him before that day and never saw him after. He never even returned to talk to the meat manager like he swore he was going to do.

[AccountingDrone]

I have tried many organs, and have liked most of them. Not duck heart, though, as it was somewhat similar to eating a racquetball.

One of my favorite tidbits ...
1 pound duck hearts - split lengthwise, washed to get the clots out, remnants of any blood vessels removed and soak for about half an hour in salted ice water.
1 or 2 large onions, peeled and chopped
4 or 5 or more cloves garlic, peeled and chopped
1 tsp italian seasoning
a good stout red wine to cover, I like a barbaronne

Put everything [except salted water ] into a closable small casserole dish and pop in the oven on about 250 and ignore it for at least 4 hours, 6 or 8 is just fine. Serve over noodles. The duck gets very tender and very rich. Serves 4. [sometimes I treat it like boeuf bourguinon. It can actually be done with any heart, just cut the heart into half inch cubes. it is good if you turf in chopped carrots - they sort of dissolve like the onions and garlic]

[C. Cecil Ivanish]

I figure if the rabbit ate the veggies and I ate the rabbit then I'm eating veggies in spirit.

Hmmmmmmmm, I'll recycle this like next time I'm reminded of my "five-a-day".

People taste like Spam.
Just saying.

...what about Soylent Green?
Still... where can I try it?

Eating "cheval" is perfectly legal in the US, it's just frowned upon. In some countries, it's apparently a delicacy (read: badly overpriced),

I can confirm. Try sfilacci, they are delicious!

Shere Khan begs to differ...

Oh, shut up, Lungri!

I plan to eat at least one member of every animal species before I die.

Besides the obvious jokes about your choice of the word "members" I tend to agree. I'd like to try... hmm... all meats, I guess. Maybe drawing a line before human meat.

Including the majestic møøse A Møøse once bit my sister ... No realli!
She was Karving her initials on the møøse with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and star of many Norwegian møvies: "The Høt Hands of an Oslo Dentist", "Fillings of Passion", "The Huge Mølars of Horst Nordfink".
<<<HUGE apologies to Monty Python>>>

...sorry, I don't have teh heart to snip it.

As a longtime vegetarian who is... lapsing a little bit these days... I really hate these people who stick up for animal welfare but only SOME animals. The prettier ones, the more majestic ones?...I would be more likely to draw the lines along vertebrate/invertebrate, or factory-farmed/free-range.

I tend to agree.
I am very fine with vegetarians, they follow a precise lifestyle that, even though I don't share it, is perfectly understandable.
I also understand those who have moral issues with certain kinds of animals (vertebrates, mammals, whatever). Or eating animal organs and blood (although I personally consider haggis and black pudding absolutely delicious. I live in Scotland, does it show?)
I, however, am unable to agree with those who refuse to eat certain animals because they are "cuter".
Pigs are very, VERY smart animals. According to some, smarter than dogs. But - Jewish and Muslim cultures apart - they are considered edible by everyone. And in my opinion they are delicious, too. Same goes for octopi...

I have tried many organs, and have liked most of them. Not duck heart, though, as it was somewhat similar to eating a racquetball.

Never tried. A racquetball, I mean.
No, not duck heart either... but I would.

As for tongue, probably my favorite luncheon meat of all time.

Not a huge fan myself. It is a family tradition to have some on Christmas day and I usually eat it no problem, but I wouldn't order it for myself if I could pick.

In India, where the cow is considered sacred, they would undoubtedly be horrified by our wanton beef gluttony.
And in many Asian nations, our favorite American pets, dogs and cats, are often entrees.
Remember, kids....different cultures produce different values and beliefs. Just because WE think it's icky doesn't mean EVERYONE does.

Jes, you rock.

Now what ISN'T amazing when wrapped in bacon?

Let me think...
...
...
No.
Can't think of anything.
Maybe cake?
Nah, it would be good anyway.

You DO realize that "every species" includes insects (of which there are thousands), toads, rats, cockroaches, cats, dogs, and humans, right?

I'd want to be sure they are safe to eat, but I would try.
OK, maybe not humans.
Maybe.

[Flying Grype]

If someone ate lamb and said it was greasy, they may have actually been given mutton (adult sheep) and told it was lamb. I've been told that if you let mutton cool off before you eat it, it's like eating a candle with all the solidified waxy grease.

The only thing my mother would do with lamb was to shove peeled cloves of garlic into the flesh and stick the whole leg in the oven. I think there may have been potatoes and carrots sitting around it in the roasting pan. It was pretty awesome. We used to have it every Easter.

Organ meats: hell yes. I ate them when I ate meat (chicken hearts were my favourite), and these days I just admire any cuisine that uses every part of the animal.

[chainedbarista]

Their reply, in all seriousness, was to the effect of "Hell, if we could get that stuff we'd eat it ourselves! It's better quality meat than the chicken we serve..." and they all had a good laugh about it.

the disturbing thing about cat meat is that it smells like chicken as well...i found this out in vet tech school. oO

mmm, moose, bear, antelope, elk, deer...all very tasty; wild birds, not so much, due to what they eat.

buffalo is lovely; lower in fat and much richer than the best beef, but pricey, unfortunately.

[Flying Grype]

wild birds, not so much, due to what they eat.

A city councillor in Toronto once suggested culling the Canada Geese (which in the city are basically flying raccoons, a real nuisance) and giving the meat to soup kitchens. The problem was that being wild urban geese their bodies would have all sorts of nasty toxins in them.