Doctor Who Discussion [Spoiler Zone!]

[dalesys]

What? She's staying? Why???

She didn't kill the fanbase... Yet?

[Gizmo]

She was staying mid season however I still think she is going end of season. I think they basically knew they'd have the "spoiler" of her leaving and wanted to freak people out mid season. Also add another line to the her and danny story (her lying to him about still travelling with The Doctor) to make things even more emotional when he died.

I believe Christmas will still be her last episode.

But reading this article they are playing with us all on not telling us. Another article actually claims the actress DID change her mind and they had to write it back in but I doubt it...

http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/sci...stmas-day.html

[Moirae]

She said she was staying a couple days ago. Something about how she was enjoying working with Capaldi.

[Gizmo]

She said she was staying a couple days ago. Something about how she was enjoying working with Capaldi.

*beats head against wall*. Just found the articles.

This actually does make me less likely to watch season 9 although I will give it ago...

[Jester]

Am I the only one that has a bigger problem with Capaldi, and a much bigger problem with the writers, than with Clara?

[gremcint]

I like Capaldi and Clara both, the writers are the problem and so is moffatt

I think we need more companions in the tardis, we can shift the focus to other characters to mix it up a bit for those who don't like them both.

[Kara]

I loved Clara last year. If she's staying for the long haul, I want Souffle Girl back. If she's going to keep being what Moffatt thinks is the voice of the newer fans ("But you're so oooolllllld, you're not my Doctor, I don't know you who are, wah wah wah"), she needs to go.

[Moirae]

The problem is that the doctor is her companion and its supposed to be the other way around. She spends alot of time complaining about how he is a disruption to her life. Yes, I want souffle girl back, we haven't seen her since the first two introduction episodes with her. Since then, she spends alot of time complaining. If she hates him so much, why doesn't she just say goodbye?

[Soulstealer]

I can't get a good reading on Capadli, he's a good actor but the writing has been terrible for a while. It's hard to tell if he's a bad fit for the role or if it's the scripts. As for Clara, she's in the Moffat pattern he has for all women. Have them be independent at the beginning and suddenly decided to settle down and not have a personality.

[Jester]

As for Clara, she's in the Moffat pattern he has for all women. Have them be independent at the beginning and suddenly decided to settle down and not have a personality.

And now you've put me in the unfortunate position of having to defend Moffat. You're gonna owe me a beer for this.

Forget Clara for a moment, let's look at the other women in the series since its been rebooted. And the reason I'm going back all the way to the robot is because I don't know precisely which women are Moffat's creations/responsibility and which aren't. So I've addressed, I believe, most of the major ones.

Rose Tyler: She didn't decide to settle down at all, she was basically forced to another plane. Abandoned by The Doctor, some would say. Never lost her personality, and even came back across to help on a few occasions. Rose does not fit the pattern you describe.

Jackie Tyler: She was never really independent, not in a strong personality sort of way, so she doesn't fit the pattern. And she didn't decide to settle down so much as she got reunited with her dead husband, after a fashion. But I can grant you that that is, in a way, settling down at the end.

Martha Jones: Very independent....pretty much always. She decided to stop traveling with The Doctor, but she never stopped having her personality, and the only suggestion that she settled down was the hint in the final Tennant episode that she ended up with Mickey....fighting aliens. Hardly the traditional "settling down." So she doesn't fit your pattern.

Donna Noble: She never stopped being Donna, for good or bad, even after The Doctor stripped her of h memory. Hardly fits the pattern.

Amy Pond: She was set to marry Rory even before The Doctor came back into her life the second time, and the first time as an adult. And their story is hardly the traditional settling down, either. They traveled with The Doctor until those travels took Rory from Amy, and she followed her love where many might not have. She never lost her personality, ever. Nope, no pattern here.

Dr. River Song: Independent and quirky from beginning to end, if we've truly seen her end. She settled down in the sense that she got married, but she married The Doctor. If that's what you define as settling down, I've clearly got a different idea of the phrase than you do. In no way fits this or just about any other pattern.

Even Harriet Jones doesn't fit your pattern. She was independent, though never fiercely so (like Rose or Amy), and her personality stayed mostly the same throughout her appearances, though of course she did have a big of a harder edge to her when she was the Prime Minister. And it would be an interesting argument to make her final appearance "settling down" in any way.

So....just which female characters WERE you talking about?

[Moirae]

Thanks Jester. I think he wasn't watching the same show the rest of us have been. Until Clara, I have loved the show. Now I can't stand to watch it.

[XCashier]

And the reason I'm going back all the way to the robot is because I don't know precisely which women are Moffat's creations/responsibility and which aren't.

Russell T. Davis was the forerunner of the reboot. Rose, Jackie, Martha and Donna were all his characters.

[Jester]

So which female characters were Moffat's? Off the top of my head, I can only come up with Clara, Amy, and the majority of our time spent with the good Dr. Song.

[gremcint]

there are some one offs like the girl from blink.

[KatherineB]

Moff's other female characters who play major roles in his episodes:

Madame de Pompadour/Reinette (Girl in the Fireplace)
Sally Sparrow (Blink)
Kathy Nightingale (Blink)
Miss Evangelista (Library stories)
Jenny Flint
Madame Vastra
Abigail Pettigrew (A Christmas Carol)
Madge Arwell (The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe)
Lorna (A Good Man Goes to War)
Journey Blue (Into the Dalek)
Sabra (Time Heist)
Various incarnations of Cloara

And perhaps a controversial one - the Mistress. Feel free to argue that one to your heart's content. *g*