Doctor Who Discussion [Spoiler Zone!]

[Ben_Who]

The trailer made me think of the version of Santa from the Dresden Files.



So, in some respects, Santa could actually be quite a terrifying being.

Pf. Red-faced twit knows everything about you and breaks into your house on the darkest night of the year. Scares the hell out of me.

Trouble is, Moffat's been kind of a jerk about his previews and trailers this season. It's one thing to have a misleading trailer, it's another thing to have your trailer imply a completely different story that might actually be better than the one you're watching. ("Clara Oswald doesn't exist!") He probably thinks he's being clever, too. "Oo, we'll get them talking on the interwebs and then pull the rug out from under 'em."

So I'm completely satisfied that the CiN clip showed nothing even remotely useful to anyone who might want to actually watch the show. It did not tease, it did not trail, it did not preview; I'd be surprised if that bit turned up in the finished episode at all, actually. Hell, it wasn't even all that interesting. I don't need to be sold on watching Doctor Who - it's kind of what I do - but if I were on the fence, there's nothing in what I just saw that would make up my mind one way or the other.

[wolfie]

So, in some respects, Santa could actually be quite a terrifying being.

Santa, or his counterpart? Has anyone else read the short story "Satan Claus" by David Gerrold, found in the anthology "Alternate Outlaws" edited by Mike Resnick?

[Gizmo]

I actually wouldn't mind if they did do that and did it well. rather than the image given by the clip which is "he's a trashy rude lager lout who'll just be rude to you..." I know its only a short clip but didn't give me much hope. The shows been a little too... over Londonised... for my liking this season.

[KhirasHY]

The trailer made me think of the version of Santa from the Dresden Files.

Santa is a much bigger and more powerful faery than Toot, and I don't know his true name anyway. You'd never see me trying to nab Saint Nick in a magic circle even if I did. I don't think anyone has stones that big.

So, in some respects, Santa could actually be quite a terrifying being.

[Gizmo]

Having just seen the Children in Need special trailer for Christmas..... *sigh*.
Nick Frost as Santa? And the "you didn't think your parents did it because they love you did you....?"

I know they are trying to paint Santa as a bad guy but seriously.... sod off.

[gremcint]

I figured out who I want to run the show, Whoever ran farscape can take over. I can't think of a show that took more risks than that one, great female characters, a lovely variety of aliens, not on earth every 5 minutes. They trusted the audience could handle two different separate crichtons and it was awesome.

[smileyeagle1021]

I thought the planet wasn't there and he lied.

Also as the descendant, that could be just a possible future that may not happen now.

Yeah, they kind of explicitly did the time can be rewritten in The Hungry Earth when Rory dies and Amy says "he can't die here, I saw us on the hill"
Just because you saw the future doesn't mean it can't change.

I absolutely loved that scene between the two though at the end with both of them lying to each other for the sole reason that they each believed the others' lie... had either of them seen through the lie they could have both admitted the truth and gone off together to rebuild together. Especially when the Doctor finally does hug and that line "I don't like hugging, it is a way to hide each others' faces" For me, that had more impact than Rose Tyler's departure... not as much as 10's departure, but definitely more than Rose's.

[Kheldarson]

Heh I actually couldn't tell for sure...I thought they might be playing some kind of game by not showing it, like something awful had happened. Could be either way

It's pretty obvious. Remember, we know that the two have been having pretty tense relationship issues. Which has included keeping things from one another. So we know Clara's lying for certain (Danny and I will be fine) because she doesn't want to upset him and/or get him reinvolved, which means the Doctor has to be lying because he doesn't want Clara to feel guilty leaving him for Danny.

[KhirasHY]

Heh I actually couldn't tell for sure...I thought they might be playing some kind of game by not showing it, like something awful had happened. Could be either way

[Kheldarson]

I thought the planet wasn't there and he lied.

Yeah. The Master/Mistress lied. Again. Hence Twelve's rage.

[gremcint]

I thought the planet wasn't there and he lied.

Also as the descendant, that could be just a possible future that may not happen now.

[KhirasHY]

Oddly, I was kinda the opposite. I liked that scene with Danny and the Doctor a lot I've also liked the less "happy" turn of this version...I watched that scene where he goes to Gallifrey probably a dozen times and got goosebumps every time.

To me, it felt like he realized, in that moment of looking at his world, that the Mistress was right when she talked about that army...

[KabeRinnaul]

After all the soldier bashing this season I think Moffat thinks he made up for it or justified it in this episode. Um, not for me. Just made it worse for me.

Gah, the whole thing with Danny and the Doctor about him being an officer who'd never get his hands dirty.

Seriously, this is supposed to be the darker, more violent Doctor. He's listening to this jackass rant about things that would have been enough for the last two to take a swing at you, and they were supposed to be the nice ones. I spent that whole scene waiting for the Doctor to shout him down and point out all the times he did have to get his hands dirty over the past 1500 years, and how much that's worn him down.

Everything this season has done has only served to make me miss Tennant and Smith more.

[KatherineB]

(although Clara having IVF somehow would be a funny story line but it isn't hacky enough for Moffat.

I'm trying to imagine how could you do IVF with a cyberman. No visible genitalia. (Not to mention the whole "blown up to catch the wet clouds on fire" thing.)

[Gizmo]

She ain't pregnant. And the idiot, sorry, Danny will be back. (although Clara having IVF somehow would be a funny story line but it isn't hacky enough for Moffat.

After all the soldier bashing this season I think Moffat thinks he made up for it or justified it in this episode. Um, not for me. Just made it worse for me.

And they still didn't explain if they are using the organic bodies as a extreme prop or if they are actually needed for the cybermen and why people that were cremated could be cybermen.... lol.