Star Trek XI (The Spoilery Thread!)

[HorrorFrogPrincess]

I also loved the 'windshield' on the bridge.

Overall, two thumbs up from me.

I believe that would be Transparent Aluminum.

[smileyeagle1021]

I don't remember if it was somewhere on here or on gaygeeks that complained about it (so I'll answer the complaint both places )

I heard someone complain about how the film never showed the Enterprise's warp core... and complained about it kind of looks like the Enterprise has multiple smaller cores working together...
I'd like to point out that multiple smaller cores actually makes a lot more sense than one large core. It's kind of as if the engineers solved their own recurring problem from the older series. Just look at how often the warp core was damaged in the varies series stranding the ship in the middle of nowhere... have multiple smaller drives working together and as long as not too many of them are damaged the ship can still limp along (kind of like the idea behind giving the 747 four engines when it can fly off of 3).

Oh yes... and the shuttle bay design is so much better... not only does it look more realistic, but lets be honest, Enterprise is supposed to have handreds/thousands of crew members... seriously, only two shuttles? It makes much more sense for them to have the nearly dozen in the new series.

Though, while nitpicking... I don't really like the new transporter... I kinda like the new visual.... but even recognizing changed timeline, ST: Enterprise would still be part of the canon (damnit, now I'm sounding like one of the hard core trekkies ), and that crew was able to do much faster transports than in the movie and didn't have nearly the same problems with locking onto people.

[Sliceanddice]

on the topic of chekov- dude hes a geneis child who could run the whole ship by himself, yeah they treat him with respect, that and pike had no idea how old he was. hes accent is pretty much real because he is russian, and seeing as he parents are olmypic qualifing figure skaters im sure they sound alot like that.
and besides i want to pinch hes cheeks!!

[Kheldarson]

Saw it yesterday with the family. First, I cried during the entire end part of the opening. I can't think of another opening that has been that emotionally charged. It was absolutely gorgeous.

Second, overall, I thought the movie was awesome! I've watched a lot of the Trek stuff because Dad watches it a lot, but most of the backstory is unknown to me. Yeah, there were a few stretches, like everybody ending up exactly where they were supposed to be and the whole time travel bit, but all in all, I loved the attention to detail. How you could tell they knew the setting well enough to show how things could work out to essentially the same point but from a different angle. I thought that was the most brilliant thing of the entire movie.

[IT Grunt]

I believe that would be Transparent Aluminum.

No doubt, I'm just saying I liked the concept. A real window instead of just a glorified TV on the bridge. TNG got close with the 'dome' in the ceiling, but I liked this idea much better.

[cinema guy]

I have aired my views in another thread, so I'll just make some spoiler-specific ones here.

I agree with Jester. On the whole of the Enterprise, with 400+ crew, there was no-one more senior than a cadet to make first officer. Heck the lieutenant that Uhura relieved would be much further up the chain of command.

And marooning Kirk? Crap.

The engine room that looked like it belonged in a WW2 submarine, complete with pipes and manual valves. It looked less adavnced than the one in the sixties series.

I didn't find the humour funny. McCoy chasing Kirk around giving him drugs that made his hands big and made him talk funny. Scotty getting beamed into a water pipe. Ugh.

The Kobyashi Maru - Kirk was so smug and so uber confident, he made it blatantly obvious that he had cheated. It was played for laughs.

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That said, I loved the change of the timeline and wiping the slate clean. So much better than trampling all over continuity like Enterprise did early on.

[smileyeagle1021]

The Kobyashi Maru - Kirk was so smug and so uber confident, he made it blatantly obvious that he had cheated. It was played for laughs.

that's actually exactly how I pictured him doing it though... I mean, look at Wrath of Khan when he's talking about how he passed the test, just so smugly saying "I changed the parameters". The way he says it in that movie... I pictured him doing the actual test exactly the way that Chris Pine pulls it off... let's be honest... Kirk is a bit of a smug, arrogant, asshole at times, and that scene pulled that off perfectly.

[SG15Z]

Though, while nitpicking... I don't really like the new transporter... I kinda like the new visual.... but even recognizing changed timeline, ST: Enterprise would still be part of the canon (damnit, now I'm sounding like one of the hard core trekkies ), and that crew was able to do much faster transports than in the movie and didn't have nearly the same problems with locking onto people.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing about the transporters...And I'm no where near even soft core Trekkie. (I'm a hardcore Gater though )

[Jack T. Chance]

My love for Bones has increased tenfold. Urban did a spot on job with the role. I liked the small mention of Nurse Chaplin and all the other little things to pay homage to the series. Anyhow, I can provide a better review/thoughts tomorrow (today?) after I've slept. I just got home from watching it. Whew.

I missed the reference to Nurse Chapel... something to look for when I see it again, I suppose.

I'm sure I'm going to get some raised eyebrows when I say this but...

POOR PORTHOS!!!!! But I do like the fact that they at least acknowledged Archer.

Huh?!? I didn't notice ANY mention of Archer, his dog, or anything else from Enterprise! How did I miss that?!?

Not going back and saving the timeline - well, now we can throw EVERYTHING from TOS, TNG, DS9, and even VOY out the window and forget they even happened - this opens the door up to make Star Trek completely new from the beginning - which could pave the way for another series.

I think they did a great job with the cast, too.

The only problem with not restoring the timeline... is that Spock can time travel on demand, in multiple ways! First, you have the Guardian of Forever from the original series! Secondly, there's the time travel technique known as the Slingshot Maneuver, seen in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. "Original Spock" (as the action figure is named) would know about these methods.

I knew Vulcan was going to bite the dust, it was too telegraphed... especially since the damn TRAILERS actually SHOW the planet being sucked in by the black hole!!!

Long standing fan here, and I love the time rewrite. Plenty of younger people may like it, but no enough, mainly because the star trek fanbase has an (undeserved) reputation as nerdy, obsessive unwashed social misfits. Part of that is the MASSIVE amounts of back story, which can be confusing to all but the most dedicated.

Speaking of Trek nerds.... I've seen EVERY Star Trek film in the theater, save one: the infamous and godawful Star Trek V. The stench of suck was so strong on that one, I didn't even waste time and money seeing it on the big screen!

Anyway.... I've gone to many Trek conventions, and have seen many Trekkers (yes, it's TrekkER... Trekkie is a derogatory term that is not well-liked amongst longtime fans) in costume, but today, I saw something I've NEVER seen: A fan in regular clothes, jeans, T-shirt, denim jacket... but he had the Mr. Spock HAIRDO!! Bowl cut, diagonally-cut "Federation Sideburns" and everything!

It just seemed so out of place with him being in normal street clothes. It would've totally rocked if he'd been wearing a uniform and a pair of pointy ears, though!

The franchise- and it is a franchise- badly needed fresh air and rejuvenating. This could be just the ticket, and we could get new series, with the nostalgia value of well known and loved characters, and (hopefully) the mistakes learned from the previous series.

I agree it needed a breath of fresh air, but I doubt Paramount learned from their mistakes. Instead of giving fans of the 24th century timeline what we've been DEMANDING for years, i.e. a Deep Space 9 movie that would wrap-up all the plot lines the producers left hanging, Paramount decides instead to reboot the whole thing and go back to the ORIGINAL crew with NEW actors taking over the roles. Yes, it's now THE MOST SUCCESSFUL Trek movie EVER, at least going by the opening weekend take. Yes, it's a fresh new take on the 23rd century of Kirk and crew. Yes, it's a great jumping on point for new fans, who may decide to check out the series that started it all via the syndicated reruns, DVDs, or Blu-Ray Discs. Yes, it's a good movie, and I really enjoyed it.

BUT... it's obvious that I'll NEVER know the true, IN CANON fate of Commander Sisko, which I didn't really think was all that much to ask for.

I believe that would be Transparent Aluminum.

Probably so, but I've always been partial to Transparisteel, myself!

BTW, those of you that have seen the movie and want to know the FULL story behind Nero and "old" Spock, you need to pick-up IDW's graphic novel Star Trek: Countdown, the official prequel which fills in the gaps in their story, reveals the nature of their ships (Spock's ship is, BTW, named "The Jellyfish" and was built by none other than one Geordi LaForge! ) and more! Definitely pick-up a copy at your nearest comic shop or good book store... it's readily available at Borders, Barnes & Noble, and Books-A-Million locations!

I expect to have more thoughts later, probably after I see it for the second time. In the meantime.... peace and long life. \\// ,

[Jester]

on the topic of chekov- dude hes a geneis child who could run the whole ship by himself, yeah they treat him with respect, that and pike had no idea how old he was.

1. He is still an Ensign. I.e., lowest level officer.
2. It is Pike's JOB to know these things, if not the dude's age, definitely his rank, or lack thereof.

The engine room that looked like it belonged in a WW2 submarine, complete with pipes and manual valves. It looked less adavnced than the one in the sixties series.

That actually would make sense, considering this takes place, what, 20 years prior to the original series? Just saying.

(yes, it's TrekkER... Trekkie is a derogatory term that is not well-liked amongst longtime fans)

Which may be why so many non TrekkERS refer to them as TrekkIES.

[smileyeagle1021]

I didn't notice ANY mention of Archer, his dog, or anything else from Enterprise! How did I miss that?!?
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Instead of giving fans of the 24th century timeline what we've been DEMANDING for years, i.e. a Deep Space 9 movie that would wrap-up all the plot lines the producers left hanging

The reference to Porthos was made by Scotty when talking about his transporter theories... Kirk asks how the one trial went and Scotty says something like "well, we may never again see Admiral Archer's prized beagle to know how well he fared the transport"

And to give Paramount some credit with a DS9 movie... if they were going to make a movie with the original cast to tie up the loose ends, it should have been done at least 5 years ago... the show has been off the air for over a decade, the actors have all moved on, to bring them back together again would be extremely difficult for Paramount and may not really be that desirable for fans either... whatever chemistry was working on the set back then may not even be there anymore after all this time. In this case I think I'd rather settle for loose ends than a movie that has to explain why cast and crew is missing that they couldn't get back and a total loss of chemistry between characters.

1. He is still an Ensign. I.e., lowest level officer.
2. It is Pike's JOB to know these things, if not the dude's age, definitely his rank, or lack thereof.
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Which may be why so many non TrekkERS refer to them as TrekkIES.

When has Star Trek actually been faithful to real world military rules. In the original movies Kirk became an Admiral yet still commanded a ship... I have trouble seeing that in the 'real world' any time soon. And to be honest... the whole command changes thing in the movie don't bother me... mostly because I'm also a David Feintuch fan and such changes would make perfect sense in his novels for a few reasons (and they do apply to the Star Trek universe to some extent), first being that on board a vessel in weigh, the Captain is second only to God... his actions may be reviewed by admiralty upon return, but until the ship returns, his word is the final one... and damnit, if he says an ensign is qualified to run the ship or he wants to promote someone for no apparent reason... all the more power to him... the second one being that rank and chain of command aren't always the same thing. Now, if there is some logical order besides rank, say, Captain, First Officer, Tactical Officer, or something like that then I can see someone of low rank filling in for the captain by default simply because of where they sit on the chain of command.

and for the trekkIE/TrekkER thing... honestly... is there anyone out there who cares that much... I use both interchangably, and if you are going to get pissy over whether someone uses IE or ER then you really need to get a life.

[Shards]

Thank you, Smiley, you wrapped everything I wanted to say into one.

Oh, and BTW, the line was: "Anyway, he thought the range of beaming something like a cantelope was limited to roughly 100 miles or so. I told him that not only could I beam a cantelope from one planet to the neiboring planet, which is easy, by the way, but I could do it with a living being. So I tested the theory on his prized dog."

Kirk: "Hey! I know that dog! What happened?"

Scotty: "I'll let you know when it re-appears... I do feel bad about that."

[smileyeagle1021]

Thanks Shards

Oh, and I watched it again today... may I say, the entire movie is worth it for seeing just how good a job Zachary Quinto does of making "live long and prosper" convery the message of "go yourself"

[HorrorFrogPrincess]

may I say, the entire movie is worth it for seeing just how good a job Zachary Quinto does of making "live long and prosper" convey the message of "go yourself"

It certainly makes the first half worthwhile. XD

The most human thing about Spock: you do NOT insult his mommy!

[Shards]

Yeah, I'm going to see it for the third time tomorrow night.

I found that kinda entertaining about Spock. You could throw the most well-reasoned, well-expressed, intricate insult at him or his capabilities, nothing, but you effectively say 'Your mother,' and he's pissed.

I mean, even the people I know who are least willing to hear someone say something like that don't have THAT big a gap between their responses to the two types of stimulae. I suppose you can say it's his Vulcan-ness, but still...