Dr. Who

[Jay 2K Winger]

Are we the only ones who were completely confused by that?

I look at it as follows:

The Silence (particularly our suited Gray-expies) have the ability to edit people's memory, and there was a strong implication that a lot of post-hypnotic suggestions were planted in River's head while she was being raised by Madam Kovarian. (The period between her abduction after her birth and her escape from the orphange in 1969, and we still don't have a lot of information about what happened to her between her regeneration into Mels and her popping up in Leadworth to grow up alongside Amy and Rory. Hell, we also don't know what they might have done to her while Amy and Rory were off gallivanting about time and space with the Doctor.)

Further, this is River's timeline, as near as I've been able to figure out. (Spoilered, of course.)



51st Century - Born on Demon's Run. Abducted by Madam Kovarian.
1969 - Raised in Renfru's orphange, escapes from the astronaut suit.
1969 - Six months later, regenerates in New York City, presumably into Mels.
1990s - Turns up in Leadworth, becoming best friends with Amelia/Amy and Rory.
1990s to 2011 - Grows up alongside Amy and Rory
2011 - Hijacks the TARDIS at gunpoint.
1938 - Shot by Hitler, regenerates into River Song, poisons the Doctor, then saves his life by giving up her regenerations
52nd Century - Recuperates, given the TARDIS-shaped diary, matriculates at Luna University to study archaeology.
52nd Century - Earns her Doctorate of Archaeology, abducted by Kovarian, the Church, and the Silence
April 22, 2011 - Lake Silencio, shoots the Doctor while in the astronaut suit.
(unknown) - Ends up in Stormcage Prison
51st Century - Turns up after the Battle of Demon's Run to reveal her identity to the Doctor and the Ponds.
April 22, 2011/1969 - Witnesses the death of the Doctor at Lake Silencio, then travels to 1969 to help break the control of the Gray-expies over the Earth
Early AD - After stealing The Pandorica Opens from Liz Ten's collection, poses as Cleopatra in Roman England, discovers the Pandorica beneath Stonehenge
June 26, 2010 - Trapped in a time loop within the exploding TARDIS
1996 - Escapes from the TARDIS, makes a Dalek beg for mercy, witnesses the Big Bang 2.
June 26, 2010 - Delivers the blank TARDIS diary to Amy at her wedding
51st Century - The Crash of the Byzantium
50th Century - The Library, River sacrifices herself to save the Doctor (again)

[Dreamstalker]

Aahhhhh, makes slightly more sense now. I keep meaning to try and rewatch all of the River episodes in her chronological order...

[daleduke17]

I had a couple of thoughts to combat this, but, at least one would piss off a whole lot of people and I don't know how to hide spoilers on here in case anyone hasn't seen the episode with Craig.

Now that I know the secret to spoilers:

Highlight here: The Doctor gets shot by River, screen goes black. We are then greeted by Ten's face on the screen as he is talking to River in the Library, telling about how she got a sonic screwdriver. Highlight ends here

or

Highlight here: The Doctor is in the Pandorica still. End highlight.

[ArcticChicken]

Are we the only ones who were completely confused by that?

Highlight: The River in the suit is River at a different point in her time stream, IRRC a later point in her time stream. (I'm nearly certain that in that episode River wasn't a Doctor yet.)

[Dreamstalker]

I loved the 'cybermat'; mom's first reaction upon seeing it: "Hey, where'd the Cybermen get Ceti Eels from?"

Oh, and you find out who is in the space suit.

Are we the only ones who were completely confused by that?
Unless I'm completely missing something, River was on the beach with Amy and Rory when the astronaut killed the Doctor, so she can't be the one in the suit...yet it appears from the ending that she is

[DaDairyDruid]

Prediction: should be hidden, you know the drill.....

The Doctor goes and gets himself a Ganger and that what gets killed, it starts to regenerate because its a "perfect" copy after all Thereby tricking the Silence. Stealing a page from your enemies book is cool. Oh and the Question is "River Song will you Marry Me?"

AND Matt and Karen will be back for season 7, I haven't heard about Arthur though...

[daleduke17]

OK, there is NO WAY they're just going to end the show, it's way too popular, and they just gave the Doctor a whole bunch of extra regenerations. I'm almost sure that Stephen Moffat can pull this off in a way that doesn't get me angry, either.

It is going to be some wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff that is going to save the Doctor and leave us going "WTF, Moffat?"

[ArcticChicken]

ETA- anyone else here watch so much BBC that the one time they have an American on that show it sounds to you like he has a funny accent

I've never had it happen that an American accent starts sounding odd, but I have snapped into a place where an English accent sounds normal, and I can pick out a Welsh accent no problem. Normally, while I can tell it's different if someone points it out to me, I have trouble distinguishing Welsh from English.

I know that next week, no matter what, there is going to be a massive screw to the audience.

OK, there is NO WAY they're just going to end the show, it's way too popular, and they just gave the Doctor a whole bunch of extra regenerations. I'm almost sure that Stephen Moffat can pull this off in a way that doesn't get me angry, either.

[daleduke17]

I know that next week, no matter what, there is going to be a massive screw to the audience.
BBC has already announced a season 7.
So, either the Doctor dies and season 7 was just a tease.
Or, the Doctor finds a way at the last minute to save his life which we have already had established can't be done (fixed points in time can't change, that has been common through at least all of the 6 seasons of the 2005 reboot).

I had a couple of thoughts to combat this, but, at least one would piss off a whole lot of people and I don't know how to hide spoilers on here in case anyone hasn't seen the episode with Craig.

[smileyeagle1021]

I know that next week, no matter what, there is going to be a massive screw to the audience.
BBC has already announced a season 7.
So, either the Doctor dies and season 7 was just a tease.
Or, the Doctor finds a way at the last minute to save his life which we have already had established can't be done (fixed points in time can't change, that has been common through at least all of the 6 seasons of the 2005 reboot).

[daleduke17]

This season of Dr. Who has been alright. The thing that is missing, to me, is that they have spent too much time on Earth (or dealing with an Earth-based issue).

Below is one of my favorite scenes from this season:

http://youtu.be/4I-efBSAUiY

What is your favorite scene? (Would you like me to repeat the question?)

[cinema guy]

Craig is a fun character, so maybe next week's episode will bring some much needed comic relief.

It is a very fun episode. I little light on the menace, but Craig is fun, as is the Doctor working in a toyshop.

Oh, and you find out who is in the space suit.

[smileyeagle1021]

I really liked this episode, for a few reasons reasons...

First, it gave Karen Gillan a chance to really show off her acting skills...

Second, it dealt with the question I am sure a lot of us sometimes ask: If you could reset your life to an earlier age, would you do it?

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Yeah, Karen kicked ass in that episode...

however, as someone who, if I could have but one assurance on how things would turn out (which Amy had) I would jump on the chance to rewrite my history in a heartbeat.

ETA- anyone else here watch so much BBC that the one time they have an American on that show it sounds to you like he has a funny accent (obviously the question is aimed at my fellow Yanks on the board, since I suppose an American accent would normally sound just a weird to a Brit as theirs does to us).

[SG15Z]

I was shocked! Totally didn't see it coming. Not sure how I feel about it though.

[BeenThereDoneThat]

Craig is a fun character, so maybe next week's episode will bring some much needed comic relief.