Exercise NOT heallthy?huh?

[RealUnimportant]

TO be strictly fair, if you're on the verge of dehydration then pure water alone is not going to be the best option for you, and in that sense the EU ruling is correct. You need to maintain a proper balance of electrolytes, which is why you'd get put on a saline drip rather than plain (or even bottled) water.

[Jay 2K Winger]

TO be strictly fair, if you're on the verge of dehydration then pure water alone is not going to be the best option for you, and in that sense the EU ruling is correct. You need to maintain a proper balance of electrolytes, which is why you'd get put on a saline drip rather than plain (or even bottled) water.

That's when you want to drink POWERTHIRST, with electrolytes, turbolytes, more lights than your body has room for!

[ArcticChicken]

more lights than your body has room for!

My BFs Sister coaches running, one of her runners once wound up in the hospital for that. (She put an electrolyte tab in a bottle of gatorade.)

[Seshat]

The EU recently ruled that water does not hydrate so this doesn't shock me one bit.

To be fair, water alone cannot cure severe dehydration (eg: the sort of dehydration Medicins Sans Frontiers or the Red Cross deal with on a regular basis; or the sort caused when a small child has a nasty gut infection).

The water will .. I suppose .. technically 'hydrate' the patient, but without sufficient electrolytes and other stuff to actually restore her health.

[AlmightyALT]

TO be strictly fair, if you're on the verge of dehydration then pure water alone is not going to be the best option for you, and in that sense the EU ruling is correct. You need to maintain a proper balance of electrolytes, which is why you'd get put on a saline drip rather than plain (or even bottled) water.

Pickle Juice or Coconut Water. Athletes and my forge use pickle juice as a supplement with water when we get a bit dehydrated. It's got loads of electrolytes, etc.

We also use Coconut Water; which medics in WWII found worked just as well as saline drips when out in the tropics without anymore of said saline drips.

[mhkohne]

This is something I've been running in to more over the past few years. Apparently it's a trend in some doctors to advise patients who are trying to lose weight that "Exercise won't help you lose weight, so you don't need to bother with it"
The hell?! Since when does the output of caloric energy (physical exercise) NOT help in toning the body, creating more lean muscle mass which then helps with your resting metabolism? Besides the benefits of having MORE energy, more effective metabolism and digestion.
And no, it wasn't "Exercise by itself won't help you lose weight", it's been "Exercise doesn't help you lose weight, you're better off just concentrating on adjusting your diet" and trying to discourage me from going to the gym (right now I'm staying away from weight lifting and concentrating mostly on low impact cardio until my back is trong enough and I have the endurance for running)
I’ll be changing doctors now.

That's bafflingly strange. Given the same input, if you exercise more, you'll at least gain weight slower, because you'll burn more calories. There are efficiency issues, and if by 'exercise' you mean 'walk the 2 blocks to McDonalds instead of drive', then it's not enough to matter, but it won't hurt the situation.

[ArcticChicken]

We also use Coconut Water; which medics in WWII found worked just as well as saline drips when out in the tropics without anymore of said saline drips.

I've been told (so take it with a grain of salt), that coconut is the only food that a human could survive eating only it.

[Mishi]

I've been told (so take it with a grain of salt), that coconut is the only food that a human could survive eating only it.

I've heard the same said about avocadoes.

[KitterCat]

And no, it wasn't "Exercise by itself won't help you lose weight", it's been "Exercise doesn't help you lose weight, you're better off just concentrating on adjusting your diet" and trying to discourage me from going to the gym (right now I'm staying away from weight lifting and concentrating mostly on low impact cardio until my back is trong enough and I have the endurance for running)
I’ll be changing doctors now.

This is what I like to call the “Concentration Camp” or “Super Model” diet method. After all lets face it you’ll lose weight even if your not exercising, if your living off of ice chips supplemented with essence of food. It may be extremely unhealthy but if all you care about is loosing weight it will do the trick.
I don’t blame you for changing doctors one bit.

[Anthelle]

Seriously? Even if you don't lose any weight exercising, that doesn't mean it's not worthwhile. I think people get too hung up on weight, thinking if you don't lose weight then it doesn't matter if the habits are healthier for you. Exercise is good for so many other reasons and I'm shocked to see a doctor discouraging it. Sure doctors can consider whether the type of exercise is good for people with various injuries or illnesses but dismissing exercise full stop? Crazy.

[AccountingDrone]

I've been told (so take it with a grain of salt), that coconut is the only food that a human could survive eating only it.

I know that over on the straight dope there have been food discussions - I think one it was sort of decided you could live on potatoes, milk and I think it was some form of seaweed, konbu? and adequate sunlight for the vitamin D. I know that I couldn't survive long with coconut as any part of my diet, I would dehydrate from the runs =(

I only watched 1 episode of survivor, the first season because htey were given a sauce pan, rice and a knife. They were whinging about the flavorless rice and being hungry when they were marooned on a freaking tropical island. You boil the rice in salt water, and you pull crustacians out of the tidal pools. I can see being twitchy about randomly sampling plants, but a crab is a crab

We also got into discussing Purina Bachelor Chow for people too lazy to cook and I found out that my hubby has actually tried Purina Primate Chow [his father had a friend who was an exotic animal provider for Hollywood and TV.] He says it is pretty bland but doable. He suggested dipping it in that yoghurt coating with something for extra flavoring, alternate something like chocolate and fruit flavors, and something savory.

[raudf]

That's bafflingly strange. Given the same input, if you exercise more, you'll at least gain weight slower, because you'll burn more calories. There are efficiency issues, and if by 'exercise' you mean 'walk the 2 blocks to McDonalds instead of drive', then it's not enough to matter, but it won't hurt the situation.

And then there is a break point in exercise where instead of losing weight, you do start to gain some weight. Difference is that it's muscle mass, which can be heavier than fat. My husband has a very low break point for this, which means he stays with aerobic stuff, rather than working the weights in any form.

Walking, even just to McD's and back, is at least a start. General conditioning is a good idea before starting anything more strenuous. I'm going to be going back to walking once the baby stops trying to occupy space that belongs to my lungs... because I'm going to need to condition my lungs to working fully again. And for the record, I did start to lose some weight with just exercise before I became preggers. A pound or two, but for a start, that's great! (Right now, at nearly 8 months, I can barely walk around a store without panting. But damned if I'm gonna stop until the OB tells me to!)

[Sapphire Silk]

And no, it wasn't "Exercise by itself won't help you lose weight", it's been "Exercise doesn't help you lose weight, you're better off just concentrating on adjusting your diet" and trying to discourage me from going to the gym (right now I'm staying away from weight lifting and concentrating mostly on low impact cardio until my back is trong enough and I have the endurance for running)
I’ll be changing doctors now.

There is only one way to lose weight. Burn more calories each day than you take in. It's just that simple.

Adjusting your diet is a good idea, but some level of activity is usually recommended. Some patients may have such physical problems that simply hitting the gym is actually unhealthy for them. I would see a weight loss specialist who can recommend the right kinds of activities for your problems.

Many moons ago a friends BF and I were making smalltalk (background: He's a VERY keen Soccer player and referee (he gets hated at International level)) and I mentioned something about exercise I was doing at the gym and how I'd try and bump up the level to go past "fat burn". He then treated me to 45 minutes of why this was a bad idea, if I was trying to lose weight, and how the body altered, dependant on level of exercise, to the point that exercise could make you gain weight.
TL;DR? If you exercise at a relatively low level - you lose fat, exercise harder - you get fitter, not thinner.

Working out can make you gain weight because when you work out you build more muscle mass and muscle weighs more than fat. I've run into this problem with my own workouts.

Though to be cruel I might point out that high school soccer thrashed my knees, equestrian arts thrashed both sacrum and dance thrashed my hip sockets. If I had not participated in said sports, I would not be gimping along so painfully today.

I trashed my knees skiing in college. They grind and can be very painful. 18 months ago, I could not climb stairs without severe knee pain. When I started Tae Kwon Do, I was having a very difficult time from the chronic knee issues, and also reinjuries from jumping kicks. I saw a Physical Therapist who worked with strengthening my quads and improving my flexibility. Now I can climb stairs easily with no pain. I usually wear braces when I do TKD, but can manage the stances without them if need be. I've moved from working on the knee issues to improving my upper body strength, core strength, and improving flexibility in my hips and feet.

I've been told by a physician that no amount of diet and exercise will allow me to lose weight and my only option is bariatric surgery.

Granted, I weight quite a bit more than I should, but, I have been steadily losing the weight on my own, albeit more slowly than I would like.

If that doctor is a bariatric surgeon, I'd take his word with a grain of salt. He has an inherent conflict of interest.

NO ONE has only the option of surgery to lose weight. Most patients who want it need to lose weight before they can get it in the first place.

A colleague of mine got bariatric surgery around the same time I started TKD. My BMI for bariatric surgery was below the recommended level, but because I have a co morbidity (hypertension) I could still qualify. She encouraged me to get surgery. I refused. I've lost 30 lbs (and regained 15) and am in much better physical condition. I do need to lose another 60 but I would rather do it through diet and exercise than surgery.

My friend got surgery, is on a very restricted diet, doesn't exercise the way she is supposed to, and has lost very little weight.

No thanks.

TO be strictly fair, if you're on the verge of dehydration then pure water alone is not going to be the best option for you, and in that sense the EU ruling is correct. You need to maintain a proper balance of electrolytes, which is why you'd get put on a saline drip rather than plain (or even bottled) water.

Water is a hypotonic solution (naturally does not contain any salt), so it can actually pull water out of cells into the interstitial spaces causing water intoxication when a person over drinks water.

In most circumstances, water is the preferred way to stay hydrated. In severe cases, however, a mild electrolyte solution like Gatorade is better to correct electrolyte imbalances and make sure fluids stay in the right spaces.

Pickle Juice or Coconut Water. Athletes and my forge use pickle juice as a supplement with water when we get a bit dehydrated. It's got loads of electrolytes, etc.

We also use Coconut Water; which medics in WWII found worked just as well as saline drips when out in the tropics without anymore of said saline drips.

Now that's very interesting. Will have to do some research on that.

[dalesys]

We also use Coconut Water; which medics in WWII found worked just as well as saline drips when out in the tropics without anymore of said saline drips.

... put the line in the coconut and call me in the morning ...

[Jay 2K Winger]

... put the line in the coconut and call me in the morning ...

Now lemme get this straight... you put de lime in de coconut and drink 'em both up?