Doctor Who Discussion [Spoiler Zone!]

[Moirae]

Oddly, my husband and I felt no desire to watch this or the last episode. We used to drop what we were doing to watch Dr Who but this season has been so monumentally disappointing that we could really care less.

[smileyeagle1021]

OK, its been bugging me since I watched the episode.

The dead "feel" what is done to their bodies. Including cremation, the one who "donated his body to science" etc. Yet.... the cybermen have organic skeletons.

So are the bodies in two places at once? Do they manage to stop the cremations? Or are the organic skeletons not those of the original bodies?

I think that is more of a ploy of the nethersphere... tell people that horrible things will happen to them, throw in some good screams for measure, make them start feeling it themselves, all very plausible stuff, but here, we have a handy delete button, press it and all your problems go away (and you become a more perfect cyberman in the process).

The person I feel bad for though is the kid. First he got shot by Danny and was sent to the nethersphere, then Danny sacrificed himself so the kid could come back... but come back to what? Does anyone honestly believe his family will accept him? I'm not that familiar with Afghanistan's culture, but I'd be willing to bet that they don't take kindly to the dead walking through the door. I could see them seeing the child as some kind of zombie or demon or other abomination and at best shunning him at worst killing him again. It is a very Danny thing to do, giving up his third chance to give a second chance to the person he denied a first chance to, but honestly the only way I see this being a happy ending is Clara adopting the child so that he can get a true second chance and she can be close to the best reminder there is of who Danny Pink was.

[strawbabies]

So, is Clara already pregnant, or is Orson never going to exist?

[Moirae]

strawbabies, not according to the story. No, I didn't watch it, but they have the whole synopsis on wikipedia. All I can say is... wth? It makes no sense. Plot holes is putting it lightly.

[Kheldarson]

Who's betting that Danny gets another chance at Christmas?

Who'll be rage quitting at that point with me?

[KatherineB]

I really want Danny to be gone for good as I'm so sick of the heroic gestures in Moffatt-era that don't turn in to anything because the person is only dead for five seconds.

[Kheldarson]

Same for me, but 1) Moffatt's a hack who can't resist the cheap answer, and 2) Clara's not pregnant.

[Kara]

Just watched the last 4 episodes, so now I'm all caught up. Clara could be pregnant already. It wouldn't make sense with all the danger she put herself in during the last 2 episodes (like potentially stranding herself in an active volcano), but that's Moffatt for you. My fiancee went back and paused it at a couple of points in the beginning of Dark Water because she thought she saw something about Missy on one of Clara's post-its, but she saw it wrong. I did notice that one of them said "Three Months," and another said "Just Say It." It would make sense that she was more worked up about making a point to let Danny know she'd never tell anyone else she loved them because they were having a baby (the big, dramatic "I love you" speech was just the opening act). And why she went to near-psychotic lengths to try to force the Doctor to bring him back. Of course, she could have mentioned it to Danny when they were saying goodbye, but if she came right out and said it the fandom would have nothing to drive them crazy with speculation for the next 6 weeks.

I was most disappointed with how they went to all the trouble to surprise us with Missy's identity (though it wasn't hard figure out Missy=>Mistress=>Master) and then not infuriate me by having the Master sort of redeemed in End of Time only to come back and be evil just because but rather make her a sympathetic psychopath, only to take her out with a surprise death ray.

Season 8 had its ups and downs like all seasons, but overall I liked it.

[Moirae]

Who's betting that Danny gets another chance at Christmas?

Who'll be rage quitting at that point with me?

I can't rage quit this show, but drift away? Yes, that I can do. This seasons is so lacking, it isn't even funny. I miss "duh duh duh duh", or the subtle hints that we're all missing like the doctor telling Amy that she must remember what she was told when she was 7 and how most of us missed that he was wearing his jacket after having removed it earlier in that episode as a prelude to things to come. I miss how everything gets tied together in the final episode. This past season was a bunch of one off's with a theme that we've seen a dozen times in the new who.

[Gizmo]

She ain't pregnant. And the idiot, sorry, Danny will be back. (although Clara having IVF somehow would be a funny story line but it isn't hacky enough for Moffat.

After all the soldier bashing this season I think Moffat thinks he made up for it or justified it in this episode. Um, not for me. Just made it worse for me.

And they still didn't explain if they are using the organic bodies as a extreme prop or if they are actually needed for the cybermen and why people that were cremated could be cybermen.... lol.

[KatherineB]

(although Clara having IVF somehow would be a funny story line but it isn't hacky enough for Moffat.

I'm trying to imagine how could you do IVF with a cyberman. No visible genitalia. (Not to mention the whole "blown up to catch the wet clouds on fire" thing.)

[KabeRinnaul]

After all the soldier bashing this season I think Moffat thinks he made up for it or justified it in this episode. Um, not for me. Just made it worse for me.

Gah, the whole thing with Danny and the Doctor about him being an officer who'd never get his hands dirty.

Seriously, this is supposed to be the darker, more violent Doctor. He's listening to this jackass rant about things that would have been enough for the last two to take a swing at you, and they were supposed to be the nice ones. I spent that whole scene waiting for the Doctor to shout him down and point out all the times he did have to get his hands dirty over the past 1500 years, and how much that's worn him down.

Everything this season has done has only served to make me miss Tennant and Smith more.

[KhirasHY]

Oddly, I was kinda the opposite. I liked that scene with Danny and the Doctor a lot I've also liked the less "happy" turn of this version...I watched that scene where he goes to Gallifrey probably a dozen times and got goosebumps every time.

To me, it felt like he realized, in that moment of looking at his world, that the Mistress was right when she talked about that army...

[gremcint]

I thought the planet wasn't there and he lied.

Also as the descendant, that could be just a possible future that may not happen now.

[Kheldarson]

I thought the planet wasn't there and he lied.

Yeah. The Master/Mistress lied. Again. Hence Twelve's rage.