Human Pinata, or How to Be a "Man."

[jb17kx]

Like most others I came to this thread expecting - hoping for good news. Tiny Dancer was on the up and BB had a noose pulling ever-tighter around his neck.

It still is.

It goes unsaid, Jester, that you and TD's family and friends have the support of every single one of us.

We have followed, purely out of interest and compassion, the affairs of a woman we've never met and a man I sincerely hope we never meet. The only commonality was through Jester - a man most of us know only through the proxy of the Internet.

Tiny Dancer's death was a tragedy of the highest order, one that saddens me and one that must surely have devastated all who were personally involved.

TD's choices aside, you Jester are to be commended for your efforts in attempting to rerailing her life. You did all you could do - but in the end it wasn't enough, and for that you mustn't blame yourself.

I feel obligated, though, to point out that posting threats of violence against BB is but a hair's breadth from condoning the very violence we despise BB for. Violence against any person, regardless of reason, is to be abhorred and I believe that we dishonour TD's memory as a sweet and gentle person by planning the drawn-out death of BB - as much as he may deserve it.

Big Boy has acquired a debt he can never repay, one that cannot be dodged like a bill for pay-per-view pornography. One day he will have that debt collected and he will regret for his every waking moment his actions in the past. This justice could come from the courts, it could come when it is time for him to move on - but it will come and it will be inescapable and deserved beyond all reprieve.

We should all take solace in the knowledge that TD is in a better place, and we should all learn from these sad happenings. Act when you can - the time may never come again, and regretting inaction is the one thing that is worse than regretting action.

My deepest sympathy to Jester, TD's family, and all others involved.

[marasbaras]

Sadly, this outcome is not surprising. Tragic.

Do what Seeshat says ... if you are in this position or know someone, do something. And, don't look back. Don't listen to "I'm sorry, I'll never do it again". ONCE IS TOO MANY TIMES ALREADY.

[Seshat]

My sympathy to TD and all her friends and family.

And to all who read this, who recognise themselves in either role in this drama: ensure TD didn't die for nothing. Take her death as a warning, and seek help. Now. Today.

Locate your local Lifeline counselling service, or do a google search on 'abuse counselling', and call. Most of these places have 24-hour call centres for people in need.

Ask the person on the other end of the phone to help you find the free services in your area - they'll either have the information themselves, or they'll know who to pass you on to. Keep following the chain until you get to the people who can help you. Then get that help.

If you recognise yourself at all in this story, make TD's death mean something in your life.

That will be the best gift you can give TD's friends and family.

[Rahmota]

Agreed Jester. Never be ashamed to be sad over a situation like this. All it shows is that you have not lost touch with the forces of goodness.

As for BB he will be punished one way or another someday. His kind always do. It may not be someone with a badge but it will come to him.

Lundar said it well though. She was an adult and she choose her path. It is sad and unfortunate that it led to this ending. That the ones who had tried to help could not do more but each must live their life to their best. You could not live her life for her. But to remember her the way she was and honor that memory is all that can be done now. You tried to help. You tried to do what you could and she made her decisions. It is not your fault. It does not lessen the pain. It does not stop the hurt. Only time can bring that. Take care of your neice. Do what you can to stay safe yourself. And peace to you.

[Teysa]

*hugs* I am truly sorry this ended this way. As others have said,though, Tiny Dancer is now at peace where no one can hurt her again.

As far as you are concerned, don't be ashamed of feeling emotional over all this. It shows that you're a decent person.

[MMATM]

I don't know what to say. I'm sorry Jester.

I hope BB gets what's coming to him, one way or another. I'm up on Skype, AIM, and Messenger usually 'til pretty late. PM and I'll get you the details if you want them.

[justZu]

Jester, when I saw the thread had new posts I hoped to hear that TD had finally moved away for good. Instead I am so sorry to read this. My thoughts and prayers are with you and her family now.
Even though I believe that bastard will be judged and punished by God when he dies, I still hope he is sent away for the rest of his life and each day is made to suffer horrible agony in prison.


This is so terrible. I have been sitting here for the longest time just staring at the screen. Again, I'm so sorry for your loss.

[Irving Patrick Freleigh]

Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn.

That's all I can say. It was heartbreaking to return to this thread and find TD had died.

I can't always find the right words. She will be in my thoughts. And if it does turn out BB was responsible for her death, I hope they throw every book they possibly can at him.

[tropicsgoddess]

Tiny Dancer is dead.

The cops are apparently investigating BB for causing TD's death.

I'm just shocked. I was hoping that she would finally get the gumption to get the hell away from BB's sorry ass. RIP Tiny Dancer. *Sorry I'm ringing in late, here* Jester, TD you are in my thoughts and prayers.

[Teysa]

*hugs* I am truly sorry this ended this way. As others have said,though, Tiny Dancer is now at peace where no one can hurt her again.

As far as you are concerned, don't be ashamed of feeling emotional over all this. It shows that you're a decent person.

[lordlundar]

This may be my last post on this site, for what I am about to say will seem cold, heartless, and possibly put the other people on this site against me. Please understand this is not my intent, and if it does produce that very reaction, then delete this post and I will trouble the site no longer.

She did kill herself. Even if it is ruled a homicide, she did kill herself. She did that when she betrayed everything that was done for her and went back to him.

At no point do I think BB is innocent in this matter. He abused her and almost killed her before. He said sweet things or did something else to convince her to go back to him, where this abuse continued or even escalated. These are not the actions of an innocent man, these are the actions of a coward and a manipulator. Do not feel sympathy for him, but also do not seek his death, for he will get what's coming to him. If not the law, then his final judgment will ensure it.

However, she was not a young child who does not know any better, she was a grown woman who made her own choices. She had the aid of those around her and the support from people around the world. She chose to leave that to go back, and in doing so, chose to kill herself. Even if she had survived in body, you would never have seen her the same way again, as when she made that choice, she killed her spirit.

Jester, weep not for fear that you could have done something more. You did more than anyone, putting your own life on the line to help her, and even being there for her after she made the choice to go back. If you must cry, the do so for the loss of a good person, and relax in the thought that she will find peace being finally away from the turmoil that the mortal life brought.

[Bella_Vixen]

Controversial post included. I whited it out, so highlight it to read.


I don't normally condone violence, but I whole heartedly agree that BB needs the very worst done to him...dragged out as long as possible.

I'll supply the salt to rub into any wounds that might be caused.

[CaroPhoenix]

Jester -

I'll be lighting a candle for both TD and you. I'll remember TD in my prayers tonight (I just read the newest parts of the thread). You'l also be in my prayers too.

I hope justice isn't blind in this case and they find the one thing that points conclusively to it being homicide and they nail BB's butt to the wall.

If need be, you can find me on AIM. I'm around on the computer most days/evenings just hanging out so if you need (yet another) person to talk to, I'm here.

IDR

[RecoveringKinkoid]

I'm sorry, Jester. Sadly, not suprised at all. But that doesnt' make it any less awful, and I'm really sorry.

Ladies, this is how it ends. Sometimes sooner, sometimes later. But this is where it ends eventually if you don't get off before the final stop. And you don't know when the final stop is, so if you recognize the train, might be a good time to jump off now. Don't even wait for it to stop.

If they dont' prosecute this as a homicide, I am never going to stop throwing up.

This was not a suicide. I mean, come on. People who are serious about killing themselves don't do it on a bathroom run with someone sitting in the next room watching TV. People who are serious do it when they know they won't be rescued. So the idea that she did it with him in the house negates, at least for me, that idea that she was serious. So having said that, people who are NOT serious typically don't hang themselves, particularly when they are women. They take a half-assed handful of pills and then call for help.

And not only that, but they're watching TV, she walks out of the room and is gone for, what, however long it takes her to do the deed before he gets worried and comes looking for her? Yeah, horseshit. That story is so full of holes you could strain pasta through it.

Jester, if it's any consolation at all, when people do crimes like this, they THINK they have all their bases covered. They don't. They have no idea the things they missed when covering their tracks.

I'm sorry for your loss of a friend.

[Jester]

I just got off the phone with the detective in charge of the case.

Due to it being a pending investigation, he could not say much. However, he did say that it appeared initially to be a suicide. That being said, they are still waiting to hear back from the medical examiner, and they are very aware of BB's history and background, and as of this time, they are not ruling anything out, and are still investigating.

Even if they rule it a suicide though, everyone and his brother knows that he killed her. Even if she died by her own hand, he is responsible for her death.

May God have mercy on him....because no one else I know will.