Doctor Who Discussion [Spoiler Zone!]

[Kheldarson]

River Song was the worst Mary Sue of them all.

She was fine until her wedding....

Huh.

[firecat88]

My thoughts on Clara, especially recently: Oswin was better. >.>

Honestly, though, much like Once Upon A Time right now, my problem lies more with the way things are being written than with the characters themselves. Every episode so far feels like it's started in the middle of the story instead of the beginning. Of course, doing it that way isn't always a bad thing. I've seen it work quite well. However, that they're doing it literally every episode is weird to me and I feel like, because they've spent so little time doing a slow build-up to the action, it's the cause for so much of the exposition-heavy dialogue.

[XCashier]

Sadly it won't happen like that because Clara is clearly just as much Moffatt's Mary Sue as Amy was.

River Song was the worst Mary Sue of them all.

[Jester]

The main difference, Katherine, being that Amy was a kickass badass. And Clara...isn't.

[mjr]

I wish he would turn up with another companion and tell Clara "Thanks but no thanks" just like she does to him. Sadly it won't happen like that because Clara is clearly just as much Moffatt's Mary Sue as Amy was.

From what I understand, Clara is only supposed to be around until about Christmas. Then I believe The Doctor is supposed to get a new companion.

[KatherineB]

I'm just sick of super-special companions and the fact that the Doctor doesn't seem to care about humanity unless they're special or a mystery in some way. What happened to normal people showing how fantastic they could be given the right circumstances? It seems to me that, if the Doctor were facing a situation like Jack did with the 456, only the 'victim' is his super-special companion, he would pick the companion and all of humanity would be sacrificed. We're only important if we are special in an extraordinary and beyond-human way. Not the message I would have thought people would want children to have, and not one I'm enjoying.

And I'm also tired of Clara treating the Doctor like a holiday camp, but then telling him off when he spends time on his own. Um, what is he meant to do when you decide your home life is more important than the opportunities he is offering you? I wish he would turn up with another companion and tell Clara "Thanks but no thanks" just like she does to him. Sadly it won't happen like that because Clara is clearly just as much Moffatt's Mary Sue as Amy was.

[XCashier]

I really honestly don't like Clara at all and they seem to be obsessed with her. And their relationship to each other... I've never seen a companion that LESS likes the doctor and doesn't seem to understand him in the least. She's also rather slow to catch on. And this doctor... he's like a petulant child. While that could be charming if it were done right, it just isn't. Mostly because of the interplay between the companion and the doctor.

It reminds me a bit of the Sixth Doctor and Peri in the Original Series. He was an obnoxious and pushy know-it-all, she was a whiny, petulant brat. The next season, when they both mellowed out, it was much better, but really, they should've called a truce and started being nicer towards each other by the third episode.

Like Colin Baker before him, Peter Capaldi could be a fine Doctor if he had a better producer at the helm. Like John Nathan-Turner, Steven Moffat has worn out his welcome.

Moffat is not only going over his own old ideas, he's going over previous producers' old ideas. Sorry, but I think it's time for him to go. Doctor Who really needs a new producer with new ideas and better writers.

[Moirae]

My husband and I have taken to just recording the show and watching it later. I used to drop whatever I was doing to watch it as it was broadcast. This season is all right, but it is definitely NOT fantastic, alonsy, spoilers, the girl who waited, etc.

I'm rather disappointed with this doctor and with the intense focus on Clara's life. I really honestly don't like Clara at all and they seem to be obsessed with her. And their relationship to each other... I've never seen a companion that LESS likes the doctor and doesn't seem to understand him in the least. She's also rather slow to catch on. And this doctor... he's like a petulant child. While that could be charming if it were done right, it just isn't. Mostly because of the interplay between the companion and the doctor.

I just watched an episode related to abortion. I mean... this could have been a great episode. If Clara had for one second used her brain and understood that the Doctor COULDN'T tell her what choice to make because it wasn't his planet, it was up to humanity to decide. Amy, Rose, etc, all picked up on stuff fairly easily but Clara is like pulling teeth.

And I don't care what's going on in her personal life. I don't care about her romances, or the fact that she's a school teacher (who spends alot of time whining about going out with the doctor, then does it anyway. She obviously doesn't want to be there, so why is she?), or anything else for that matter.

I want to go on adventures with the doctor, not hear more whining from Clara.

It's time to move on to a new companion. Maybe one that's a little brighter.

[Jester]

Pretty good? Sure. Brilliant? No.

[KabeRinnaul]

Hell, forget episodes.....there hasn't been one brilliant LINE as there have been in the past. Perhaps the line they should have for this season is, "Hello. I'm The Doctor. Basically....zzzzzz"

I dunno. "I have the horrible feeling I'm gonna have to kill you" from the first episode was pretty good. Might have had more impact if they'd carried through with a darker Doctor who was more willing to use violence, instead of just making him an older and bitchier Eleven.

[Gizmo]

The last episode - beyond the drivel they call the story was the first that didn't have me looking at the clock wondering if it was over yet.... that isn't exactly high praise.

[Kheldarson]

I've been looking up episodes as they go, and Google keeps coming up with all these positive reviews. Hell, even the last episode, whose title escapes me at the moment, was getting positives.

Ah. It was The Caretaker. And one of its reviews: http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/doctor-...retaker-209787

And Kill the Moon: http://m.ign.com/articles/2014/10/04...he-moon-review

[Jester]

I stand by my comment about crack-smoking gibbons.

That aside, you cite the reviews of this episode as all positive, but earlier you said the entire season was getting rave reviews. While I concede that this episode was one of the better ones of this season, that really isn't saying much. I'd be curious to see who is giving the whole season rave reviews. No one I know who actually watches the damn show.

It's even worse when you consider how much damn buildup and self-congratulatory hype they shoved down our throats from the end of Smith's run though the (admittedly awesome) three Doctor special to the unveiling of the new Doctor (a whole hour show for THAT bullshit?) to this steaming pile of a season.

I used to enjoy a beer while watching this show. Now I feel like I NEED it.

The gibbons could probably use a few, too.

[Kheldarson]

Do a search for "Doctor Who Kill the Moon". I had to go looking to find a negative review. Nerdist, the Independent, Huffington Post, A.V. Club, all positive.

[Jester]

Pardon my language, but who in the flying FUCK has been giving this season rave reviews? Crack-smoking gibbons? Because every single Whovian I know is somewhere between mildly disappointed and pulling-their-hair-out-with-red-hot-tweezers angry about this season. The writing is anywhere between somewhat disappointing and downright godawful, Capaldi's Doctor fluctuates between vaguely uninterested and arrogantly condescending in his treatment of others, and the supporting cast beyond Clara is a bunch of mindless throwaways. To me it is a no brainer that this is the worst season yet (at least since the reboot--I am completely unfamiliar with the original series), and I've been trying to give it a chance.

I don't hate Clara the way many do, but the fact that so many people DO hate her says a lot. What previous companions have engendered such broad-based hatred? Donna Noble annoyed a few people, sure, but she was generally perceived as hilarious, and a nice change of pace. Martha Jones was beloved by most. As was Rose Tyler. As was Amy Pond. As was Rory Williams. Most people even kinda liked Mickey Smith. I cannot recall a single companion that caused this much outright anger.

As I said, I don't hate Clara. I rather enjoy her. But the writers are either taking too many drugs or not enough. Or perhaps they've given up. There has not been one brilliant episode yet. Best one was passable. No brilliance of "Blink" or "The Doctor's Wife" or "Let's Kill Hitler" or "A Good Man Goes to War" or "The Empty Child" or "The Eleventh Hour" or "Christmas Invasion" or "The Girl in the Fireplace" or "Smith and Jones." Or so many more I could name from the times of Nine, Ten, and Eleven. You know, the kind of episode that you could watch over and over and over again. Has there been any episode so far this season that you'd really want to sit through again? I can honestly say that my least favorite episodes from any of the previous seasons would be preferable to me than the best episode so far from this season.

Hell, forget episodes.....there hasn't been one brilliant LINE as there have been in the past. Perhaps the line they should have for this season is, "Hello. I'm The Doctor. Basically....zzzzzz"