Doctor Who Discussion [Spoiler Zone!]

[Moirae]

Who's betting that Danny gets another chance at Christmas?

Who'll be rage quitting at that point with me?

I can't rage quit this show, but drift away? Yes, that I can do. This seasons is so lacking, it isn't even funny. I miss "duh duh duh duh", or the subtle hints that we're all missing like the doctor telling Amy that she must remember what she was told when she was 7 and how most of us missed that he was wearing his jacket after having removed it earlier in that episode as a prelude to things to come. I miss how everything gets tied together in the final episode. This past season was a bunch of one off's with a theme that we've seen a dozen times in the new who.

[Kara]

Just watched the last 4 episodes, so now I'm all caught up. Clara could be pregnant already. It wouldn't make sense with all the danger she put herself in during the last 2 episodes (like potentially stranding herself in an active volcano), but that's Moffatt for you. My fiancee went back and paused it at a couple of points in the beginning of Dark Water because she thought she saw something about Missy on one of Clara's post-its, but she saw it wrong. I did notice that one of them said "Three Months," and another said "Just Say It." It would make sense that she was more worked up about making a point to let Danny know she'd never tell anyone else she loved them because they were having a baby (the big, dramatic "I love you" speech was just the opening act). And why she went to near-psychotic lengths to try to force the Doctor to bring him back. Of course, she could have mentioned it to Danny when they were saying goodbye, but if she came right out and said it the fandom would have nothing to drive them crazy with speculation for the next 6 weeks.

I was most disappointed with how they went to all the trouble to surprise us with Missy's identity (though it wasn't hard figure out Missy=>Mistress=>Master) and then not infuriate me by having the Master sort of redeemed in End of Time only to come back and be evil just because but rather make her a sympathetic psychopath, only to take her out with a surprise death ray.

Season 8 had its ups and downs like all seasons, but overall I liked it.

[Kheldarson]

Same for me, but 1) Moffatt's a hack who can't resist the cheap answer, and 2) Clara's not pregnant.

[KatherineB]

I really want Danny to be gone for good as I'm so sick of the heroic gestures in Moffatt-era that don't turn in to anything because the person is only dead for five seconds.

[Kheldarson]

Who's betting that Danny gets another chance at Christmas?

Who'll be rage quitting at that point with me?

[Moirae]

strawbabies, not according to the story. No, I didn't watch it, but they have the whole synopsis on wikipedia. All I can say is... wth? It makes no sense. Plot holes is putting it lightly.

[strawbabies]

So, is Clara already pregnant, or is Orson never going to exist?

[smileyeagle1021]

OK, its been bugging me since I watched the episode.

The dead "feel" what is done to their bodies. Including cremation, the one who "donated his body to science" etc. Yet.... the cybermen have organic skeletons.

So are the bodies in two places at once? Do they manage to stop the cremations? Or are the organic skeletons not those of the original bodies?

I think that is more of a ploy of the nethersphere... tell people that horrible things will happen to them, throw in some good screams for measure, make them start feeling it themselves, all very plausible stuff, but here, we have a handy delete button, press it and all your problems go away (and you become a more perfect cyberman in the process).

The person I feel bad for though is the kid. First he got shot by Danny and was sent to the nethersphere, then Danny sacrificed himself so the kid could come back... but come back to what? Does anyone honestly believe his family will accept him? I'm not that familiar with Afghanistan's culture, but I'd be willing to bet that they don't take kindly to the dead walking through the door. I could see them seeing the child as some kind of zombie or demon or other abomination and at best shunning him at worst killing him again. It is a very Danny thing to do, giving up his third chance to give a second chance to the person he denied a first chance to, but honestly the only way I see this being a happy ending is Clara adopting the child so that he can get a true second chance and she can be close to the best reminder there is of who Danny Pink was.

[Moirae]

Oddly, my husband and I felt no desire to watch this or the last episode. We used to drop what we were doing to watch Dr Who but this season has been so monumentally disappointing that we could really care less.

[Shangri-laschild]

The Doctor felt Missy's heartbeat...wouldn't he have immediately noticed that she had TWO hearts, and was therefore Gallifreyan and a Time Lady? It seems like that's something the Doctor would notice...

There have been plenty of times when the Doctor misses very obvious stuff. Like when Rory came back and he stood there talking to Rory the Roman about how he was sure he was missing something obvious. He seems to take in lots of information and then slowly process it as he explores, this time being no different.

here's the thing about the painting theory, I thought the 3d paintings were still just paintings, not the actual events, kind of like a pocket dimension, so it's not the actual galifrey but just a picture they hid in. I may be totally wrong.

Well, those aliens were able to come out of the paintings near the beginning of that episode.

OK, its been bugging me since I watched the episode.

The dead "feel" what is done to their bodies. Including cremation, the one who "donated his body to science" etc. Yet.... the cybermen have organic skeletons.

So are the bodies in two places at once? Do they manage to stop the cremations? Or are the organic skeletons not those of the original bodies?

I'm guessing that you keep feeling what your body feels until you press the disconnect button at which point you are free game to become a cyberman. And the bodies may not even get destroyed, it could just be the people making them think they are feeling like they are burning. A lie to get them to disconnect.

[KhirasHY]

Unless I missed something major, I'm pretty sure you mean Murray Gold. Ian Gold is a retired NFL football player.

Derp, yeah, I was a bit tired and drunk when I wrote that

Edit: Also, the Doctor mentions that the people who are in the mausoleum are those rich enough to have paid for it. Meanwhile, the Nethersphere could easily be catching people from all over the country/world as they die, so naturally there would be far too many to fit in one building. Quite a few of those bodies would be in morgues, crematoriums, and...well, for at lease one unfortunate guy, in a laboratory.

[Kheldarson]

OK, its been bugging me since I watched the episode.

The dead "feel" what is done to their bodies. Including cremation, the one who "donated his body to science" etc. Yet.... the cybermen have organic skeletons.

So are the bodies in two places at once? Do they manage to stop the cremations? Or are the organic skeletons not those of the original bodies?

Not entirely sure. One presumes that the Cybermen we've seen are those who donated to the cause (or paid for the privilege). It's possible that after agreeing to the mind wipe Missy saves the body. It's also possible that she can match the now blank souls/consciousnesses with any body, which might be another meaning to her "dead outnumber the living" comment. We haven't been given enough information there.

[Gizmo]

OK, its been bugging me since I watched the episode.

The dead "feel" what is done to their bodies. Including cremation, the one who "donated his body to science" etc. Yet.... the cybermen have organic skeletons.

So are the bodies in two places at once? Do they manage to stop the cremations? Or are the organic skeletons not those of the original bodies?

[wolfie]

Unless I missed something major, I'm pretty sure you mean Murray Gold. Ian Gold is a retired NFL football player.

At least that's not as bad as another name mixup. A few years ago, on Martin Luther King day, one town was going to unveil a plaque celebrating the achievements of James Earl Jones (famous African-American actor, one of his roles being the voice of Darth Vader in the original Star Wars). When the plaque was unveiled, the name on it was James Earl Ray (guy who assassinated MLK). Oops!

[KabeRinnaul]

3) Cybermen...well, hopefully they use them well. With luck they will be more like Gaimen's cybermen (see Nightmare in Silver) than the crappy Cybermen of past seasons.

No plz. I hated the new Cybermen. They ceased to be intimidating and became so over-the-top powerful that it was silly. It felt like the episode was written by an overexcited teenage fan of the Cybermen out to prove that no, they could so beat the Daleks.