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  • #61
    Quoth Racket_Man View Post
    Plus back in the old series during Collin Bakers Trial of a Time Lord whole year arc, the "judge" of the Dr.'s trial was actually the 13th regeneration of the Dr. himself (but gone slightly over the edge if memory serves correctly)
    The Valeyard was not the Doctor, per se. As the Master states:

    There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you. The Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth, and final incarnation.
    He was simply a "could be" version of the Doctor the High Council created somehow.

    As to the exact mechanics of regeneration, we're not exactly sure. Each one has been different, to whit:

    1) The Doctor's body succumbs to old age during the battle with Mondas and the Cybermen, he collapses inside the TARDIS and regenerates.
    2) The Time Lords (in their first mention and on-screen appearance) put the Doctor on trial for his continual intervention in the affairs of lesser races, and sentence him to exile on Earth in the 20th century, locking away his knowledge of dematerialization theory and breaking the dematerialization circuit in his TARDIS, forcing him to undergo a regeneration as part of his sentence (though there's evidence that they had him perform a few 'unseemly' tasks for him first, "The Two Doctors" can't have taken place at any point in the second Doctor's timeline except after his trial, but he was supposedly forced to regenerate and shipped to Earth instantly after the trial).
    3) The Doctor suffers from a massive dose of radiation from a 'web' made of Metabilis 3's Blue Crystals when he confronts the leader of the giant spiders that rule the planet. He stumbles back to the TARDIS, and spends (according to the supplemental materials of the series) nearly a century wandering, sick with radiation poisoning, through time and space, before finally returning to Earth, collapsing in front of the Brigadier and Sarah Jane and finally regenerating.
    4) The Doctor falls from the scaffolding of a radio telescope.
    5) The Doctor and his companion Peri are poisoned after contact with a spectrox web and are slowly dying of Spectrox Toxemia. The Doctor travels deep beneath the surface to obtain the milk of a queen giant bat, the only known cure, but accidentally spills some. He gives what's left to Peri to cure her, then succumbs to the poison himself and regenerates.
    6) The exact circumstances are unknown. The Rani hijacks his TARDIS somehow, forcing it to land on the planet Lakersia, where she is conducting her latest cruel experiment. Supplemental materials have the Doctor explain that he willingly gave up his sixth incarnation because it had run it's course of usefulness, and he knew that he would need to become the Hero of Time, a feat that his sixth form would never have been able to handle.
    7) The Doctor is shot by a gang on Earth after the Master's remains force an emergency landing there.
    8) Unrevealed as yet.
    9) Absorbing the Time Vortex's power from Rose's body into his own.
    10) Saving Wilf's life by taking the radiation blast from the machinery himself. As with his third regeneration, the radiation poisoning is slow, and he makes it a point to travel to see his former companions, giving them one last moment with him before returning to the TARDIS to allow the regeneration to proceed.

    As to the end of the Time War:

    Gallifrey is gone. The Doctor either blew the entire planet up, or scorched it with whatever weapon he used to destroy the Time Lords and the Dalek fleet. Make no mistake, the Time Lords are gone. They are not "alive" in any true sense of the word. They 'exist' inside the Time Lock that engulfs the War, but Time Locks act like a door: nothing inside the Lock can pass beyond a given moment in time. In this case, the Lock's defining termination point is likely just after Gallifrey is scorched by the Doctor. The events of "The End of Time" were the Time Lords attempting to escape the Lock by using the Master and the Doctor, and extracting Gallifrey from the Lock to overlay and replace Earth with it. However, such a massive strain on reality would have shattered the Time Lock, allowing all the horrors of the Time War to spill out everywhere and everywhen again, with no way to stop it. The Master shattered the diamond that the Time Lords were using as a physical 'bridge' to pull Gallifrey out of the Lock, and then allowed himself to be drawn back into the Lock, so that Rassilon could not attempt to use him the same way again.

    Best way to think of the Time Lock, though, is this: The Lock is like a gigantic stone wall that was constructed around the war. No matter what era any given battle of the War took place in, no one and nothing (save accidents, like Dalek Caan) can every penetrate the Lock and observe or affect the events. Simply put, the War itself got "shifted" like the Medusa Cascade, just enough so that it's out-of-sync with Time itself, and thus impossible for anyone to enter or exit.
    Dealer hits... 21. Table loses.

    This happens more often than most people want to believe.

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    • #62
      Re: Rassilon's Ultimate Sanction. This was to be the Time Lords' doomsday weapon, to end the Time War. As stated, it would allow the Time Lords to ascend to a higher plane of existence, as beings of pure energy and consciousness. Unfortunately for the rest of creation, doing so meant the End of Time Itself. Presumably, when the Doctor realizes this, he seizes "The Moment" (some kind of weapon or device) and uses it to put the whole Time War into the time lock. In theory, no one should have been able to escape, or get back into it. Obviously, that turned out to be wrong, but it's exceptionally difficult in either case, and there are costs, usually to someone's sanity. (For further details, see "The End of Time.")

      The Valeyard may or may not be the Doctor's final regeneration, but he's certainly something that the Doctor is worried about himself becoming. Any time the Doctor skirts too close to his darker impulses and realizes it, you can see the horror on his face. Ninth had it when a Dalek praises his hatred ("You would make a good Dalek.") ("Dalek"), Tenth had it when he tried to change a fixed point as 'The Time Lord Victorious' ("Waters of Mars"), and Eleventh has been getting several of them: the Dream Lord ("Amy's Choice"), confronted by the truth about the Pandorica ("The Pandorica Opens"), confronted by why the Order of the Silence fears him ("A Good Man Goes To War"), and when the Dalek Prime Minister muses that the Daleks can't destroy the Doctor because they appreciate the hatred he has. ("Asylum of the Daleks")

      I think that's one reason why the Doctor was willing to go to his death at Lake Silencio (before twigging to the notion that he can pilot the Tessalecta there instead). If the Master's talk of the Valeyard being the Doctor's darker side given form from somewhere between his twelfth and final incarnation is true, the Doctor might be worried about regenerating again, and becoming something much worse than he's ever been.
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      • #63
        Jay: Small point I think you misunderstood in "Asylum." The Prime Minister isn't praising the Doctor's hatred, he's answering the Doctor's question as to why they even HAVE an asylum in the first place, instead of just exterminating the insane Daleks. The Daleks won't destroy them because of their pure hatred.
        Dealer hits... 21. Table loses.

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        • #64
          Actually, Jay's right. The full convo has the Prime Minister saying that the Asylum contains their form of beauty, the Doctor expresses his disgust at them finding hatred beautiful, and the PM says, "Perhaps that's why we cannot destroy you" and cue worried face from the Doctor.

          Course, the irony is that the Doctor and the Daleks have both evolved this way because of each other. The Daleks get stronger each time the Doctor stops them, the Doctor gets more indignant and full of fury each time the Daleks try to pull something.
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          • #65
            Which, in and of itself, is almost ironic. Since a lot of the time, the only reason the Doctor is able to have as much success against them as he does is because the TARDIS drops him at exactly the right place, in exactly the right time. But one man, even a time-traveller, cannot be everywhere, and everywhen, and stop every plan they concoct.

            And I seem to have lost my train of thought. Off to lunch then!
            Dealer hits... 21. Table loses.

            This happens more often than most people want to believe.

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            • #66
              Quoth Tuxian View Post
              Which, in and of itself, is almost ironic. Since a lot of the time, the only reason the Doctor is able to have as much success against them as he does is because the TARDIS drops him at exactly the right place, in exactly the right time. But one man, even a time-traveller, cannot be everywhere, and everywhen, and stop every plan they concoct.

              And I seem to have lost my train of thought. Off to lunch then!
              Which is, perhaps, one of the reasons he's gotten more manic as he's gotten older. Without the Time Lords to fall back on, he's gone a bit batty trying to keep up with all the various plots.

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              • #67
                Dinosaurs on a Spaceship

                Dinosaurs on a Spaceship: fast, furious, fun. With many great lines, and some cheesy ones. And a very nasty villain.
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                • #68
                  Absolutely love the two Mr. Ponds. AWESOME.

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                  • #69
                    Was waiting for someone to say "Well Brian, I'm opening a boutique", or "I've fallen off my chair Brian."

                    I kept thinking I've seen a character like Solomon before, but there isn't anything in recent DW; he's really like Harry Mudd in Star Trek, or (for Superman fans) Wolfingham, only he's not above slave trading.

                    I like the current five-seconds-per-episode peek at the running subplot, namely that the Doctor's identity is being erased from computer systems. Obviously this is so more and more people will ask, "Doctor Who?" and eventually lead to The First Question. However, couldn't they think of something more grandiose than this? Unless he really was as important as what Andrew Cartmel was planning for Sylvester McCoy...
                    Why do they make Superglue but not Batglue?

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                    • #70
                      I think you've hit on something, Zoom. There's no way that Moffatt, being as big a fan and as knowledgeable about the show as he is, doesn't know about Lungbarrow and the Cartmel Masterplan. Perhaps what we're seeing now is him implementing the plan, just slightly tweaked a bit to give us an awesome ride in the process?
                      Dealer hits... 21. Table loses.

                      This happens more often than most people want to believe.

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                      • #71
                        That was a silly episode But I loved it anyway!

                        Although...who else cried when Tricie got shot?
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                        • #72
                          Quoth Kheldarson View Post
                          That was a silly episode But I loved it anyway!

                          Although...who else cried when Tricie got shot?
                          My headcanon that nothing and no one will convince me is not true- Tricey was fine after a long rest and is now happily chasing stray pine cones and things on the dino planet.

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                          • #73
                            Quoth Kheldarson View Post
                            Although...who else cried when Tricie got shot?


                            *SPOILERS*




                            Cry? Yes. Want to take the guy to the nearest air lock and have him join the others that were on the ship at one time? Absolutely. I was SOO glad the Doctor did what he did. Also..am I missing something..it really doesn't look like the ponds are going anywhere...just saying. Nefertiti rules though..yeah yeah that was a semi pun on the fact she was a queen.

                            Oh and since I also just saw the Asylum one..anybody else figure out minutes in that brain girl was a Dalek but me? Anybody? Now the first one fooled me, but she was the one who made it kind of obvious about the other. *shrugs*
                            Engaged to the amazing Marmalady. She is my Silver Dragon, shining as bright as the sun. I her Black Dragon (though good honestly), dark as night..fierce and strong.

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                            • #74
                              Quoth Zoom View Post
                              I kept thinking I've seen a character like Solomon before, but there isn't anything in recent DW...
                              I was thinking the same thing, and the conclusion I've come to is that the actor is either the same or very similar in mannerisms and appearance as the guy who played the Scrooge-esque character in the flying shark Christmas special.

                              Quoth Tuxian View Post
                              There's no way that Moffatt, being as big a fan and as knowledgeable about the show as he is, doesn't know about Lungbarrow and the Cartmel Masterplan.
                              I'm almost afraid to ask, but what is this plan you speak of? Again, I've never seen a DW before Nine.

                              Quoth Mytical View Post
                              Oh and since I also just saw the Asylum one..anybody else figure out minutes in that brain girl was a Dalek but me? Anybody? Now the first one fooled me, but she was the one who made it kind of obvious about the other.
                              Not me. But then, I tend to be a bit thick about such things, and rarely figure stuff out ahead of where some or even most people do. Though I DID realize immediately that there was a reason The Doctor was asking about the milk and eggs for the souffle...I just couldn't connect the dots on that one.

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                              • #75
                                One reason the villain looked familiar is that he was Filch in the Harry Potter films.

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